Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

skip fox

(19,357 posts)
Sun Jul 19, 2020, 04:15 PM Jul 2020

U.S. has 4.25% of the world's popultion and 23.7% of its virus deaths

That's 4 times the deaths of elsewhere.

They will spin this, and most of Fox will buy the spin or ignore this crisis altogether, as Fox & Friends largely does.

But only few outside his base will be fooled in the face of the facts as given above. We must continually repeat these numbers and ones like it.

Let's vote this bozo out!

10 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
U.S. has 4.25% of the world's popultion and 23.7% of its virus deaths (Original Post) skip fox Jul 2020 OP
American exceptionalism under Trump? dem4decades Jul 2020 #1
We're #1! So much winning. captain queeg Jul 2020 #2
It's not over till it's over. Igel Jul 2020 #7
Certainly the US has one of the worst mortality rates, but for accuracy, we must consider... Fiendish Thingy Jul 2020 #3
This ProfessorGAC Jul 2020 #6
But we shouldn't compare ourselves to poorer nations. We need to compare to JI7 Jul 2020 #10
What's wrong with this picture? Nt raccoon Jul 2020 #4
Do you think customerserviceguy Jul 2020 #5
It's been aout the seme percentages for two months. skip fox Jul 2020 #8
Actually over 7 times the rest of the world. lostnfound Jul 2020 #9

Igel

(35,300 posts)
7. It's not over till it's over.
Sun Jul 19, 2020, 06:22 PM
Jul 2020

New York State has 6% of the US' population and for a while had over 50% of its deaths.

As of today, still with 6% of the population, NYS has 22.7% of its COVID-19 deaths. And it's been considered a success by many for many weeks.

NJ, with 2.9% of the population, has 11% of its deaths. Not much different from NYS.

TX with 8.9% of population is at 2.8% of US COVID-19 deaths.

It's not over till it's over. Too early to calls sinners and saints along any lines but strictly denominational--which is to say, abiding the bias.

Even once it's over calculating the dead will be difficult. We still don't know the actual death toll of the Spanish flu. We'll probably do better (in principle) because we have better record keeping in more parts of the world these days--on the other hand, we also have governments that are better at record tweaking and dedicated to making sure that their side looks saintly whatever is hidden under the whitewash.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,601 posts)
3. Certainly the US has one of the worst mortality rates, but for accuracy, we must consider...
Sun Jul 19, 2020, 05:01 PM
Jul 2020

That some countries are not reporting their deaths accurately, including Russia.

I find it hard to believe that Vietnam has had no COVID deaths.

Of course, with this week’s blocking of info reporting to the CDC, the US will join the ranks of nations with unreliable data reporting, including death rates.

ProfessorGAC

(65,013 posts)
6. This
Sun Jul 19, 2020, 05:51 PM
Jul 2020

Per Worldometer, Russia Is reporting 770k cases & 12k deaths. Less than 1.7% mortality,
Same site shows death to cases at around 4.1%, which is more than where the US is. (14.6 million cases and 608,000 deaths world, USA 3.8 million cases with 142,000 deaths)
So the world as a whole is higher than the US, but Russia's death rate is under half of the US?
Hard to rationalize why.

JI7

(89,248 posts)
10. But we shouldn't compare ourselves to poorer nations. We need to compare to
Sun Jul 19, 2020, 08:51 PM
Jul 2020

nations that are on same level as us economically.



customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
5. Do you think
Sun Jul 19, 2020, 05:38 PM
Jul 2020

it will remain that way? While I read stories about how C-19 is working its way through the developing world, I get the sense that it has not yet peaked in places where social distancing is almost impossible, and medical supplies including PPE are tough to come by.

skip fox

(19,357 posts)
8. It's been aout the seme percentages for two months.
Sun Jul 19, 2020, 06:30 PM
Jul 2020

Of course, there are all manner of problems with he numbers, but seems to represent our poor response compared with, especially, the EU.

lostnfound

(16,178 posts)
9. Actually over 7 times the rest of the world.
Sun Jul 19, 2020, 08:48 PM
Jul 2020

If one to one, it would be 4.25 / 4.25, and instead it’s 23.7 / 4.25 = 5.57 as a rough number. But that starts by including the American deaths in the world total, which inflates the world total by America’s bad outcomes.

More accurately, if all the world was like America(100%), there’d be
23.7 x (100% / 4.25%) = 557.6 deaths

If America was like the rest of the world, there’d be
76.3 x (100% / 95.75%) = 79.7 deaths

557.6 / 79.7 = 7 times as bad

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»U.S. has 4.25% of the wor...