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hvn_nbr_2

(6,486 posts)
Sun Jul 19, 2020, 11:47 PM Jul 2020

Some Un-talked-about observations of recent police activity

I've noticed things about several of the recent police activities that I don't hear anyone talking about, that I think should be discussed.

First, let me say that I have generally been supportive of police and tend to believe them. The exceptions are whenever race or politics is involved. But my otherwise-general supportiveness is being challenged by what appears to be a general police culture of racism, hatred, rampant dishonesty, and corruption.

1. Trump's secret police and Navy Superdude. The video shows quite clearly that they had absolutely no policing interest in him. They didn't try to get him to move, they didn't try to arrest or subdue him, they didn't tell him to do anything. Their one and only interest in him was to beat him up, to get their jollies by beating up someone they hate (i.e., anyone who was there). As soon as they found out that he wasn't easy to beat up, they lost interest (no jollies here) and moved on to find easier targets, leaving him exactly where he was. They weren't doing police work; they were doing criminal gang work. Whenever the cops take off their ID, remove their names and badges, you know that they're not there for policing activity--they're there to be a criminal gang, beating up and otherwise hurting people they hate. Every liberal demonstration is a free beating zone for cops.

2. "Get in the car." During the George Floyd murder, when three of them were on top of him holding him down, one cop (maybe the one who was standing but I couldn't tell) said to him multiple times, "Get in the car." "Get in the back of the car." Obviously, it was totally impossible for Floyd to do what the cop was telling him to do. So, was the cop drunk, hallucinating, having a psychotic break from reality, or what? None of those. That one cop was just slow to realize that the operation had switched to a murder operation when he still thought it was just a standard "beat him up and frame him" operation. His police report was already writing itself in his mind. ["Suspect failed to comply with multiple orders to get in the patrol car."] Why doesn't anyone talk about what was an obviously crazy-ass thing for that cop to say, and why aren't they talking about why he would say such a crazy-ass thing?

3. Jury instructions. When the cop knocked down that 75-year-old guy and broke his head, and then the cop union head said, "He tripped and fell," the union guy probably didn't realize that he was giving jury instructions to millions of future jurors. His jury instructions were essentially, "Lying is so deeply ingrained in cop culture and the expectation of impunity for lying is so deeply ingrained in cop psyche that I blatantly lie to you about what can see with your own eyes, and I expect you to believe me. Take that into the jury room with you." Probably most juries and jurors now tend to take a cop's word as "beyond reasonable doubt." Now, without corroboration from some non-cop source, a cop's word falls far short of "beyond reasonable doubt." In fact, there's a really good chance that a cop's word is an outright lie. If juries can't trust cops, that's a big problem for legitimate law enforcement. In fact, it's a crisis for society. But none of the cops or cop organizations is worried about that; they're only interested in protecting their culture of corruption, so they can continue to freely beat up people they hate, whether it's POC, liberals, immigrants, journalists, or whoever.

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Some Un-talked-about observations of recent police activity (Original Post) hvn_nbr_2 Jul 2020 OP
Bullies I_UndergroundPanther Jul 2020 #1
Cops lie. They lie all the time even when they don't need to. Even the good cops lie. Walleye Jul 2020 #2
In Bellevue, Washington KT2000 Jul 2020 #3
I'm surprised that prosecutors at all levels aren't terrified by all this hvn_nbr_2 Jul 2020 #4

I_UndergroundPanther

(12,463 posts)
1. Bullies
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 12:35 AM
Jul 2020

Cops are bullies. Being a cop gives them societal cover to do what they do all thier lives,bully and abuse people.

KT2000

(20,576 posts)
3. In Bellevue, Washington
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 04:01 AM
Jul 2020

During the first phase of demonstrations, a cop opened the door of a stopped vehicle - black driver was inside the car with a female in the passenger seat. The cop grabbed him and yelled at him to get out of the car but that was something the driver could not do. The cop was repeatedly tasering him while telling him to get out of the car. The man was lucky that didn't kill him but he did look to be pretty injured. Good thing that it was on the news.
The passenger was just yanked out of the car without the taser.

hvn_nbr_2

(6,486 posts)
4. I'm surprised that prosecutors at all levels aren't terrified by all this
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 09:43 AM
Jul 2020

Whenever things get back to normal and we have jury trials again, I expect that we'll start to see a lot of hung juries because at least one jury member just doesn't believe the cops or doesn't believe them beyond reasonable doubt.

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