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It's real, and it's here. (Original Post) Nevilledog Jul 2020 OP
It's GOP senators Pantagruel Jul 2020 #1
Yes, like politicians in 1933 Germany said they could control Hitler. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2020 #8
Who, exactly is Von Papen here? NNadir Jul 2020 #23
Short version: he was an aristocrat/military commander/politician and, full time megalomaniac...... jaxexpat Jul 2020 #34
I know who von Papen was. NNadir Jul 2020 #38
You forgot tiresome and officious. If not a tad paranoiac as well. jaxexpat Jul 2020 #39
Smell the coffee. Newest Reality Jul 2020 #2
Vlad's glad, though! czarjak Jul 2020 #3
Putin's rootin' . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2020 #9
Darned tootin'! czarjak Jul 2020 #15
This is some seriously scary shit we're seeing right now. Initech Jul 2020 #4
When the evictions start next month, this chaos will seem tame. sarcasmo Jul 2020 #5
+1 appalachiablue Jul 2020 #30
It's time for Wall Street to bail out Main Street. -nt CrispyQ Jul 2020 #45
So very True sure why not Jul 2020 #6
x 1000 Ferrets are Cool Jul 2020 #7
When will the bloated orange failed human have his version of the Reichstag fire? Red Pest Jul 2020 #10
Get ready. Be prepared. Whatever that looks like in your current world. It could change in Nov. Evolve Dammit Jul 2020 #11
K&R 2naSalit Jul 2020 #12
And, Curtis Jul 2020 #13
I know how you feel, but that's a risky move. LuvNewcastle Jul 2020 #17
You got this backwards. intheflow Jul 2020 #21
FOESAD! SlogginThroughIt Jul 2020 #25
JSYK: I know what that means. dchill Jul 2020 #32
Exactly!!! Curtis Jul 2020 #26
Exactly! dchill Jul 2020 #31
It was both Obama and Pelosi. Both wanted to just move forward Eyeball_Kid Jul 2020 #42
I favor a second impeachment. Laelth Jul 2020 #20
Chump just needs to be tried in a real court with a real judge and jury FakeNoose Jul 2020 #35
Silence is complicity. Laelth Jul 2020 #46
MF45's Gestapo needs to be stopped immediately kimbutgar Jul 2020 #14
and soon, it'll be in a town near you. Loge23 Jul 2020 #16
You can bet durablend Jul 2020 #40
Meanwhile the fascists knowing they have been pegged live love laugh Jul 2020 #18
Sigh. Laelth Jul 2020 #19
It's been creeping in for a long time. warmfeet Jul 2020 #22
Oh, should we all surrender then? NNadir Jul 2020 #24
Are our institutions strong enough to withstand the blunt force trauma of Putin inflicted upon them Mr. Ected Jul 2020 #27
No Doubt colsohlibgal Jul 2020 #28
Yup. orangecrush Jul 2020 #29
We have had better days Jeff_was_here Jul 2020 #33
A Christian should be Christ-like Beringia Jul 2020 #44
Kick dalton99a Jul 2020 #36
Kick for visibility. love_katz Jul 2020 #37
Amen. n/t Eyeball_Kid Jul 2020 #41
It" been here all the time. Scruffy1 Jul 2020 #43

jaxexpat

(6,803 posts)
34. Short version: he was an aristocrat/military commander/politician and, full time megalomaniac......
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 07:04 AM
Jul 2020

who inadvertently gave a jump start to Hitler's budding career in the 1930's. Historians may well discuss a parallel between him and our Sen. McConnell at some future time. If people will even care about such things in a future time. Then, who will know Von Papen then?

NNadir

(33,474 posts)
38. I know who von Papen was.
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 08:17 AM
Jul 2020

In 1933, Hitler was 41 years old, and not a senile old man with obvious intellectual decline. Moreover his life had been devoted to politics. He lived in a defeated country under severe economic distress and could point to the fact that he had not caused this distress and could thus blame ethereal others.

I have read a tremendous amount of history in my long life and the notion of historical determinism by parallelism is defeatist, and in my opinion, lazy.

Overall trends may be repeated, but the appeal here endlessly to Godwin's law is silly and depressing. The United States in 2020 is not Weimar Germany in 1933.

jaxexpat

(6,803 posts)
39. You forgot tiresome and officious. If not a tad paranoiac as well.
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 08:59 AM
Jul 2020

"not a senile old man with obvious intellectual decline", would do well to lighten up some. I'm sure we all agree.

sure why not

(39 posts)
6. So very True
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 03:15 PM
Jul 2020

My heart sunk when * was declared the winner. I had an enormous sense of grave danger.
With what has come to pass, even I could never have imagined the depths of where we are now.

Red Pest

(288 posts)
10. When will the bloated orange failed human have his version of the Reichstag fire?
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 03:31 PM
Jul 2020

After the phony provocation, he will attempt his version of the Reichstag fire decree. It won't work, but it will distract his base from all the obvious failures and allow him to gaslight them. I suspect that he will try to delay or stop the election. That won't work, but again it will cause confusion and turmoil. All of this will delight Putin et al.

Evolve Dammit

(16,697 posts)
11. Get ready. Be prepared. Whatever that looks like in your current world. It could change in Nov.
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 04:09 PM
Jul 2020

Tell me I am ____ whatever. This feels tenuous.

Curtis

(348 posts)
13. And,
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 04:18 PM
Jul 2020

I get it that we're all Democrats. I get it this is the DEMOCRATICunderground. I get it that we're all voting for Joe Biden. I get all that.

But, where are our party leaders? Why hasn't Trump been impeached again and again and again? Make a historical statement that this will NOT stand. I swear to whomever or whatever that if the Democrats decline to indict or investigate anyone from this administration IF we have a free election and Biden actually wins and we let these criminals walk that I, for one, will end my 40 year association with the Democratic Party. Our party leaders need to stand up to this corruption and lock the mother fuckers up once and for all.

LuvNewcastle

(16,835 posts)
17. I know how you feel, but that's a risky move.
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 04:52 PM
Jul 2020

We are already on the edge of a civil war. If we try to imprison all of the people who deserve it from the Trump administration and other parts of our government, those people will do all they can to cause insurrection. I'm not saying we shouldn't prosecute them, especially if Biden and the Democrats win with a solid majority, but remember there will be serious consequences. That's why Obama's administration decided against prosecuting Bush et al. Those people certainly deserve it, but it's hard to say if it's worth the price.

intheflow

(28,443 posts)
21. You got this backwards.
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 08:19 PM
Jul 2020

Obama's failure to act decisively then enabled us to get where we are now. That line of thinking is so old it's how we ended up with Confederate generals in the US Congress after Reconstruction, who then became statues, which brings us right up to the present again.

It is time to stop this bullshit and build a new paradigm. Neurenburg trials for them all.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,429 posts)
42. It was both Obama and Pelosi. Both wanted to just move forward
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 09:12 AM
Jul 2020

and leave the war criminals and Bush-era fascists to fester and then plan for THIS moment.

No more.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
20. I favor a second impeachment.
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 08:08 PM
Jul 2020

Trump’s hawking beans on the resolute desk was clearly illegal. We don’t need lengthy hearings. Just impeach him again and give the Republicans in the Senate another opportunity to do the right thing. I don’t see what we have to lose.

-Laelth

FakeNoose

(32,594 posts)
35. Chump just needs to be tried in a real court with a real judge and jury
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 07:14 AM
Jul 2020

Trying him in the Senate - I mean the "Senate" we have right now - is just a soul-sucking waste of time. That's why we're not impeaching him again and again. Sure he deserves it, but our time can be better served in other ways.

Let Chump answer crimes in federal court and in New York State court, NOT the insane political arena.


Laelth

(32,017 posts)
46. Silence is complicity.
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 07:40 PM
Jul 2020

It would not take more than a day to impeach Trump again. It’s illegal to use your position as a Federal employee to promote a private enterprise. I have a picture of Trump hawking beans from the resolute desk. That’s a blatant violation of the law. No hearings needed—just vote on it. Impeach him again, and then it’s Moscow Mitch’s problem. Let the Senate worry about it. Who knows? They might actually decide to do the right thing. If they don’t, we hang it around their necks in the Senate races this year.

I see no downside to a second impeachment.

-Laelth

kimbutgar

(21,055 posts)
14. MF45's Gestapo needs to be stopped immediately
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 04:32 PM
Jul 2020

I never thought we would devolve into a Hitler rule in this country because I believed in our constitution. Now seeing Portland and the hint of future attacks on American citizens exercising their first amendment rights is outrageous and needs to be pushed back decisively.

Loge23

(3,922 posts)
16. and soon, it'll be in a town near you.
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 04:39 PM
Jul 2020

They're already talking about moving the storm troopers around to various cities in the country - all, of course, blue cities.
This is a show of force designed to keep us off the streets, no matter what happens between now and election day.
Meanwhile, the complicit GOP stands by and watched the whole country fall apart.

durablend

(7,455 posts)
40. You can bet
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 09:07 AM
Jul 2020

If they're not stopped, the jackboot thugs will be patrolling polling places to "secure the election" (translated: make sure the "wrong people" don't vote)

live love laugh

(13,080 posts)
18. Meanwhile the fascists knowing they have been pegged
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 07:58 PM
Jul 2020

are desperately trying to relabel Democrats as “Marxist” in response.

“Socialism” apparently wasn’t derogatory enough.

warmfeet

(3,321 posts)
22. It's been creeping in for a long time.
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 08:36 PM
Jul 2020

It's very real, and it is no conspiracy. The big money, want all the money. That is how pure capitalism works. Fascism is an expected consequence.

NNadir

(33,474 posts)
24. Oh, should we all surrender then?
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 08:47 PM
Jul 2020

We are a long way from going fascist, and I personally wish that the cowards among us would grow up.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
27. Are our institutions strong enough to withstand the blunt force trauma of Putin inflicted upon them
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 10:17 PM
Jul 2020

Because Trump has disabled and neutered many of them, rendering them mere remnants of their former selves, replaced stalwarts with cronies, all aided and abetted by a GOP Congress that has either shared the dirty money, been made privy to the dirty money, or been threatened with kompromat.

To be sure, the job is still incomplete, but they've worked feverishly as Trump tweets his distractions.

So what's November looking like? And the months between November and January? Are our leaders and institutions prepared to fight fire with fire? Does the Constitution afford us the tools and remedies and resources to stave off a full-throated coup by those who have been secretly scheming it for years?

Jeff_was_here

(25 posts)
33. We have had better days
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 02:45 AM
Jul 2020

I am not surprised that people can be attracted to power, greed and self-interest of all types. Fear and unreasonable hatred of other races, religions, ethnicity's and social status are common throughout the world.

In my younger years I believed that people of honor would speak out in opposition to people of ill will. I knew religious leaders would direct their congregations to be humble, love their fellow man, accept that we are all flawed, forgive each other’s failings and try to become better people.

A great deal of the current inhumane treatment in this country is being forced on the American people by the wealthy, Republicans and Christians of all social status. Is whatever they hope to gain by their ungodly behavior worth the humanity they so easily discard? Do you think they will ever embrace charity, acceptance, empathy, compromise, equal treatment and love of all people? I must say I am skeptical. What say you?

Beringia

(4,316 posts)
44. A Christian should be Christ-like
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 11:59 AM
Jul 2020

many atheists are probably more Christ-like than self-described Christians

Scruffy1

(3,252 posts)
43. It" been here all the time.
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 10:44 AM
Jul 2020

They just quit putting a smily face on it. I refuse to call these radical extremists "conservatives" like the MSM.It's really a strange belief that you can solve social problems with force.

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