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UCmeNdc

(9,600 posts)
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 09:26 AM Jul 2020

Guess Who Invited The Federal Agents Into Portland? The Police Union

Although Portland leadership roundly decried the federal presence, the president of Portland’s police union met with the head of the Department of Homeland Security last week to discuss the agents, apparently without the knowledge of the city’s police chief. The president of Chicago’s police union made his own envoys, asking Trump for federal intervention.

Trump might have heard him: 150 federal agents with Homeland Security Investigations are gearing up to head to the city, the Chicago Tribune first reported. Either way, protesters say local cops and the feds are clearly colluding.

And we know in Philadelphia that FOP union chief John McNesby is in touch with Trump. Mystery solved, Scoobies!


https://crooksandliars.com/2020/07/guess-who-invited-federal-agents-portland?utm_source=social&utm_medium=twitter&utm_content=33610

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Guess Who Invited The Federal Agents Into Portland? The Police Union (Original Post) UCmeNdc Jul 2020 OP
Thus proving progressives are right about racism and fascism within police unions SharonClark Jul 2020 #1
We either crush the organised criminal gangs now called police unions or there will Celerity Jul 2020 #2
I say furlough police union members to match the number of Trump Goons that show up. Captain Zero Jul 2020 #28
Not surprised. I've been following this and it appeared there were no conflicts between the feds and captain queeg Jul 2020 #3
So how and where do those organizations 2naSalit Jul 2020 #4
As I speculated earlier Miguelito Loveless Jul 2020 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author sunonmars Jul 2020 #6
Furloughs without pay of police to match the number of goons who show up. Captain Zero Jul 2020 #29
I didn't get why people were demanding the Mayors and other officals get the local police to do JI7 Jul 2020 #7
I was thinking the same. Delmette2.0 Jul 2020 #34
No shit JI7 DENVERPOPS Jul 2020 #37
Come on, last week? They were there well before. Hortensis Jul 2020 #8
Bunch of White Supremacist Thugs JI7 Jul 2020 #9
Isn't ironic any union would empower rightwing (anti-union/anti-democracy) thuggery. C_U_L8R Jul 2020 #10
The Teamsters have kissed Republicans asses since Nixon's days Captain Zero Jul 2020 #32
Chicago police union has done the same, I believe soothsayer Jul 2020 #11
Mayor Lightfoot interviewed on msnbc says the fop has no legal right to request federal help Thekaspervote Jul 2020 #21
So how will she stop them? I would like to know. triron Jul 2020 #23
She could request the governor to deploy National Guard aeromanKC Jul 2020 #39
Chicago will be very interesting to watch... dhill926 Jul 2020 #25
That union needs to be de-certed, ASAP. Happy Hoosier Jul 2020 #12
Listening to Portland's mayor last night, she seems to think the head of the union is a big problem. TreasonousBastard Jul 2020 #13
Furlough him without pay until the goons leave? Captain Zero Jul 2020 #33
Does Bob Kroll in Minneapolis still have his job? roamer65 Jul 2020 #14
He still has his job, but you are right - he shouldn't! pazzyanne Jul 2020 #26
Those unions need to be disbanded. They're acting as fascist cells, not unions. Crunchy Frog Jul 2020 #15
Wow. So I'm guessing the rank and file are in on it. CentralMass Jul 2020 #16
Does the mayor have the authority to fire them? blueinredohio Jul 2020 #17
three things. or four. jaxexpat Jul 2020 #27
People who say call in that state's national guard DENVERPOPS Jul 2020 #40
I don't want the National Guard to turn against the citizens of Oregon blueinredohio Jul 2020 #44
They're trying to do that in Seattle as well. Watch the video at the link. icymist Jul 2020 #18
So is it ok to trash burn loot and occupy section of cities ? CentralMass Jul 2020 #19
Not going to reply to spin. icymist Jul 2020 #20
It's not spin. CentralMass Jul 2020 #35
Did you read who's doing the looting?? It isn't the protesters..stop spinning this!! Thekaspervote Jul 2020 #22
lulz obamanut2012 Jul 2020 #42
Wow. Disgusting. So now police unions more authority than the City leadership?? SunSeeker Jul 2020 #24
Most cities and states have budget deficits resulting from the pandemic. Lonestarblue Jul 2020 #30
Your Daley reminder Nasruddin Jul 2020 #31
Going outside the chain of command is usually a fireable offense JT45242 Jul 2020 #36
Seems like a pretty much to be expected response to the protests. HotTeaBag Jul 2020 #38
I'm Sure The Trump Administration DallasNE Jul 2020 #41
Defund the police RANDYWILDMAN Jul 2020 #43
"We can't control the mobs" DENVERPOPS Jul 2020 #45

Celerity

(43,316 posts)
2. We either crush the organised criminal gangs now called police unions or there will
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 09:35 AM
Jul 2020

be very little fundamental change. They are a clear and present danger and need to be ground to dust via RIco Act prosecutions.

Captain Zero

(6,802 posts)
28. I say furlough police union members to match the number of Trump Goons that show up.
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 12:06 PM
Jul 2020

And if the Police Union President is advocating Trump Goons, he should be included in the furloughs.
So it works like this, if 100 trump goons come to town. 100 police officers at random are furloughed without pay if their union is advocating for the Goon presence.

Mayors and Police Chiefs can't be sabotaged by police union presidents. Don't tolerate it.

captain queeg

(10,171 posts)
3. Not surprised. I've been following this and it appeared there were no conflicts between the feds and
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 09:38 AM
Jul 2020

Local cops. And while Portland has a reputation of being liberal it’s police department does not.

2naSalit

(86,536 posts)
4. So how and where do those organizations
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 09:41 AM
Jul 2020

have the authority to make any decisions with regard to legal operations that are the sole authority of actually elected by the public officials?

They don't, they answer to nobody and have no legal authority in city management or ordinances.

Miguelito Loveless

(4,460 posts)
5. As I speculated earlier
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 09:42 AM
Jul 2020

The police are now completely unreliable. "Law" enforcement at all levels is now suspect.

Response to UCmeNdc (Original post)

JI7

(89,247 posts)
7. I didn't get why people were demanding the Mayors and other officals get the local police to do
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 09:45 AM
Jul 2020

anything.

The police would side with the thugs that were attacking the protestors .

just another example of the huge problem that is the police depts in this country. and yeah, the fucking unions are a problem also.

Delmette2.0

(4,164 posts)
34. I was thinking the same.
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 12:25 PM
Jul 2020

Most local police use the motto "Protect and Serve". I guess some of the individuals don't agree.

DENVERPOPS

(8,810 posts)
37. No shit JI7
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 12:32 PM
Jul 2020

I have met some incredibly excellent/outstanding police officers through the years.

I have also met some of the most racist/sexist Bubba cops you could imagine.

Sadly, the bad cops pull down the good ones, not the other way around.......

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
8. Come on, last week? They were there well before.
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 09:45 AM
Jul 2020

There's always political maneuvering among the power blocs of any city, and, gee, yes, a lot of cops tend to be lot more conservative than those WE elect to office.

Remember Manhattan's renegade FBI office conspiring with Giuliani and company against Hillary? They're still there, btw, and Trump is in the oval office most of us elected her to. Courtesy of those who didn't.

C_U_L8R

(44,998 posts)
10. Isn't ironic any union would empower rightwing (anti-union/anti-democracy) thuggery.
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 09:46 AM
Jul 2020

The generous explanation is they're idiots. The more likely answer is more sinister. Either way, they have no right to consider themselves protectors of justice and our communities.

Captain Zero

(6,802 posts)
32. The Teamsters have kissed Republicans asses since Nixon's days
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 12:11 PM
Jul 2020

At least it started with the guy who succeeded Hoffa, not sure if they are still doing it.

soothsayer

(38,601 posts)
11. Chicago police union has done the same, I believe
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 09:48 AM
Jul 2020

From the ever-excellent Heather Cox Richardson

Snip

On Saturday, John Catanzara, president of the Fraternal Order of Police Lodge 7, wrote a public letter to Trump aligning his union with Trump instead of the city's mayor. “I am certain you are aware of the chaos currently affecting our city on a regular basis now," he wrote. “I am writing to formally ask you for help from the federal government. Mayor Lightfoot has proved to be a complete failure who is either unwilling or unable to maintain law and order here.”

Thekaspervote

(32,755 posts)
21. Mayor Lightfoot interviewed on msnbc says the fop has no legal right to request federal help
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 11:38 AM
Jul 2020

And, she clearly stated they will not be having federal troops on the streets of Chicago....period!

aeromanKC

(3,322 posts)
39. She could request the governor to deploy National Guard
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 12:36 PM
Jul 2020

National Guard should be called up to protect the citizens from Trump's Gestapo.

dhill926

(16,337 posts)
25. Chicago will be very interesting to watch...
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 11:57 AM
Jul 2020

The Mayor is badass...the cops hate her of course....gonna be a wild weekend...

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
13. Listening to Portland's mayor last night, she seems to think the head of the union is a big problem.
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 09:51 AM
Jul 2020

But, is there any recourse to go after a union head who goes way over his authority and takes over a management responsibility?

pazzyanne

(6,547 posts)
26. He still has his job, but you are right - he shouldn't!
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 11:59 AM
Jul 2020

His record speaks for itself and it isn't a pretty picture. The future of the Police Officers Federation of Minneapolis is part of the restructuring being discussed after George Floyd was murdered. The present police union and Bob Kroll provide cover for police brutality. Hopefully the union will be gone or greatly modified as the process goes on.

Crunchy Frog

(26,579 posts)
15. Those unions need to be disbanded. They're acting as fascist cells, not unions.
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 09:52 AM
Jul 2020

The police in this country really have become a completely rogue element.

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
16. Wow. So I'm guessing the rank and file are in on it.
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 10:00 AM
Jul 2020

I will say that after living 5 of my decades in New England watching the wide berth the rioters who trash the city are given in Portland is bizarre. Apparently a lot of people are unboard with it.
This deal kind of sounds like yhe Portland pd saying ok if you wont let us do our job, we will invite the feds to do it.

blueinredohio

(6,797 posts)
17. Does the mayor have the authority to fire them?
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 10:21 AM
Jul 2020

If so, meet with some policemen he can trust, tell them what's going on and fire them. Call in the national guard.

jaxexpat

(6,818 posts)
27. three things. or four.
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 12:00 PM
Jul 2020

1. Will this involve collective bargaining?
2. I thought Reagan eliminated the union problem.
3. Do police unions prove the adage, "be careful what you wish for"?

"Does the mayor have the authority to fire them?" I'm kinda' thinking we've slipped by the "legal authority" aspect of things.

DENVERPOPS

(8,810 posts)
40. People who say call in that state's national guard
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 12:43 PM
Jul 2020

need to understand that if the "Powers To Be" call in that state's national guard, those guard members won't turn on the states residents who may be friends, family, neighbors, etc.

The PTB will always bring in someone from elsewhere in the nation to do their ugly work in any locale.....

In this case, they brought in their worst border patrol personnel. The border patrol troops, from what I have seen over the years are a collection of the most racist, mean, angry white nationalists ever assembled in one group......

There are good people in any group, but when surrounded by a majority of assholes, they are brought down to the assholes level.

blueinredohio

(6,797 posts)
44. I don't want the National Guard to turn against the citizens of Oregon
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 03:37 PM
Jul 2020

I want them to protect them and their right to protest.

icymist

(15,888 posts)
18. They're trying to do that in Seattle as well. Watch the video at the link.
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 10:24 AM
Jul 2020

On the news this morning is Mike Salon, President of the Seattle Police Officers Guild asking for Federal help. "This police department is ineffective right now to protect, not only ourselves, but the entire Seattle population from this complete anarchy." I kind of wonder if this is a script handed out to other police guilds to call in Federal troops. I'm fairly convinced that the violence he is referring to was staged by an outside group to bring about the situation to call for help from the Feds.

https://www.kiro7.com/video/?id=BRRLDUR6CP42WUSCY6KILZWUTE

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
19. So is it ok to trash burn loot and occupy section of cities ?
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 10:51 AM
Jul 2020

The above are all against the law and they should be. Allowing it to happen routinely or over a long term is anarchy.

Lonestarblue

(9,971 posts)
30. Most cities and states have budget deficits resulting from the pandemic.
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 12:10 PM
Jul 2020

The first budget cuts mayors should make are to the police force. Keep cutting until they get the message.

Nasruddin

(752 posts)
31. Your Daley reminder
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 12:11 PM
Jul 2020

"Gentlemen, get the thing straight once and for all – the policeman isn't there to create disorder, the policeman is there to preserve disorder." - Chicago mayor Richard J Daley, 1968.

JT45242

(2,262 posts)
36. Going outside the chain of command is usually a fireable offense
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 12:29 PM
Jul 2020

These police unions are basically RICO enterprises.

Bust 'em up and let them reform with new leadership.

I was a teacher union rep and it pains me to see the criminality o these police unions.

 

HotTeaBag

(1,206 posts)
38. Seems like a pretty much to be expected response to the protests.
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 12:33 PM
Jul 2020

Sad that lessons weren't learned, but not surprising.

DallasNE

(7,402 posts)
41. I'm Sure The Trump Administration
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 12:55 PM
Jul 2020

Reached out to the individual police unions requesting them to call homeland security to discuss sending federal agents to their cities and several jumped at the opportunity. This also shows that to date the demonstrations have made no difference with the police unions as they remain the driver behind the police abuse and misconduct. As this shows, the police chief doesn't even control their own police force. The police union does.

RANDYWILDMAN

(2,668 posts)
43. Defund the police
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 02:22 PM
Jul 2020

There has to be better ways to support the community then these Fascists in blue.

I live in Portland and it just makes me sick.

DENVERPOPS

(8,810 posts)
45. "We can't control the mobs"
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 11:36 PM
Jul 2020

Sounds like a "Black Flag" operation to me..........

They infiltrate the peaceful crowd with their own vandals and anarchists, then blame the demonstrators and it justifies them to bring in any one and use any means to control the peaceful demonstrators.......

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