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Mrs. Overall

(6,839 posts)
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 05:41 PM Jul 2020

Rep Swalwell tweets that Trump just "dangled" a pardon for sex trafficker Ghislaine Maxwell





Rep. Eric Swalwell
@RepSwalwell
Pardon dangled

Betsy Woodruff Swan
@woodruffbets

Trump on Ghislaine Maxwell: "I just wish her well, frankly. I've met her numerous times over the years...I just wish her well, whatever it is"
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Rep Swalwell tweets that Trump just "dangled" a pardon for sex trafficker Ghislaine Maxwell (Original Post) Mrs. Overall Jul 2020 OP
I knew he wouldn't get away with that one. nolabear Jul 2020 #1
He said it. MontanaMama Jul 2020 #2
K&R, Trump sends well wishes for sex traffickers but no sympathy for America during the plague uponit7771 Jul 2020 #3
+1 dalton99a Jul 2020 #16
That means he knows she's got receipts, some with his name on them. brush Jul 2020 #4
Dump is a pedo. roamer65 Jul 2020 #5
A man who lusts after his daughter didn't start with her and won't end with her... Hekate Jul 2020 #17
He's gotta keep her quiet. HotTeaBag Jul 2020 #6
Yeah, they blew the script, now they are cornered. Blue_true Jul 2020 #21
Not quite...acceptance of a pardon is an admission of guilt, Volaris Jul 2020 #25
Tell that to Roger Stone. He will see no consequences as long as Trump is in office. Blue_true Jul 2020 #28
Roger Stone was not pardoned; His sentence was commuted Volaris Jul 2020 #31
Trump will find some way to pardon her. Rule of Law means nothing to him, and if you still Blue_true Jul 2020 #37
No I completely agree with you on what his intentions are. Volaris Jul 2020 #39
Q'Anon and fuckheads like James Woods are going to have a hard time spinning this one. John Fante Jul 2020 #7
John Fante....That's EXACTLY Upthevibe Jul 2020 #14
So gross. madaboutharry Jul 2020 #8
foursome, perhaps? IcyPeas Jul 2020 #9
How did Trump meet Melania? PufPuf23 Jul 2020 #24
Melania looks stoned out of her mind in that picture. nt tblue37 Jul 2020 #33
It looks like the turd is LITERALLY holding her upright, by the waist... not_the_one Jul 2020 #36
I'll just quietly drop this here... Mike 03 Jul 2020 #10
Jesus! lunatica Jul 2020 #15
Dangled a pardon, or issued a threat? Could read it either way soothsayer Jul 2020 #11
Well it's a little more complicated for Ghislaine localroger Jul 2020 #12
He'd have to combine a pardon with some plan to whisk her out of the country. Gidney N Cloyd Jul 2020 #26
That isn't happening with Roger Stone, and Trump has shown that he will Blue_true Jul 2020 #27
Stone was granted bail localroger Jul 2020 #40
You may be right. It is just that Trump has zero respect for the rule of law and precedents. nt Blue_true Jul 2020 #41
This is true but only applies to things Trump can control localroger Jul 2020 #43
"If you don't say anything, I'll take care of you. Otherwise, if you do, I'll have you killed." Efilroft Sul Jul 2020 #13
which reporter asked him about Maxwell? Grasswire2 Jul 2020 #18
Um, is he admitting that he and Epstein were tighter than a cat's ass? bullwinkle428 Jul 2020 #19
Was Epstein her secret husband? malaise Jul 2020 #20
That's his code talk. kentuck Jul 2020 #22
On Prime Time News now coming up after commercials malaise Jul 2020 #23
Maxwell probably has a copy of Melania's invoice. n/t Yavin4 Jul 2020 #29
Was the question asked by Steven Nelson of the NY Post a set-up?? skip fox Jul 2020 #30
Excellent point! kentuck Jul 2020 #35
Can't kill her. She has thumb drives of Epstein's blackmail material to be released if she's killed. tableturner Jul 2020 #32
I'm sure you do, trump.. you fucking perverted ASSFACE. Cha Jul 2020 #34
K&R UTUSN Jul 2020 #38
Not much of a dangle when you're talking about little Donny Blue Owl Jul 2020 #42

Hekate

(90,633 posts)
17. A man who lusts after his daughter didn't start with her and won't end with her...
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 06:19 PM
Jul 2020

From the looks of Ivanka, she compartmentalizes her mind pretty rigidly, but part of her probably always believed she was the only one treated like that.

Nah.

Guard your daughter, Vanky.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
21. Yeah, they blew the script, now they are cornered.
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 06:42 PM
Jul 2020

By giving Maxwell a pardon, she gets effectively shut up, so big names she has the goods on escape, and the abused girls, who are now women and some mothers, get abused again.

Volaris

(10,269 posts)
25. Not quite...acceptance of a pardon is an admission of guilt,
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 06:51 PM
Jul 2020

which means no 5th amendment rights. Which means she cant refuse to answer questions under oath without risking contempt and confinement.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
28. Tell that to Roger Stone. He will see no consequences as long as Trump is in office.
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 07:06 PM
Jul 2020

Who is going to enforce the rule of law with Trump refusing to cooperate with investigations and withholding any information that he wants to.

Volaris

(10,269 posts)
31. Roger Stone was not pardoned; His sentence was commuted
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 07:59 PM
Jul 2020

For exactly the above reason: now he can still plead the fifth.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
37. Trump will find some way to pardon her. Rule of Law means nothing to him, and if you still
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 08:51 PM
Jul 2020

think that it does, I don’t know what to say. If she can incriminate him, Trump will find a way to free her in a way that she won’t talk, then he will ignore calls that he overstepped his authority. We are seeing his tendency over and over, I really don’t understand why you think that he will stay within traditional legal boundaries when he has something to gain by not doing so.

Volaris

(10,269 posts)
39. No I completely agree with you on what his intentions are.
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 11:40 PM
Jul 2020

I wanted to try and convey the particulars of how he accomplished that re: Stone.

madaboutharry

(40,203 posts)
8. So gross.
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 05:46 PM
Jul 2020

He is such a pig. Maxwell has so much ugly information on people, including him. He is afraid of her.

 

not_the_one

(2,227 posts)
36. It looks like the turd is LITERALLY holding her upright, by the waist...
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 08:51 PM
Jul 2020

probably coked out of her mind, topped off by a "relaxant"...

soothsayer

(38,601 posts)
11. Dangled a pardon, or issued a threat? Could read it either way
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 05:49 PM
Jul 2020

However, I think it was just his clumsy inability to fake being a human.

localroger

(3,625 posts)
12. Well it's a little more complicated for Ghislaine
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 05:52 PM
Jul 2020

If he pardons her she has to admit guilt and loses the right to plead the 5th, so the investigators can then ask her about anything and anybody under oath and if she fails to answer or lies, it's another felony. He can't commute her sentence until there is a trial and a sentence to commute, which first means Ghislaine will be in jail for a year waiting it out. She might be more inclined to cut a deal with the prosecutor than to wait that out. Roger had a lot invested in keeping quiet, but Ghislaine doesn't and she will have lots of opportunities to tune up and sing before Trump can do what he did for Roger.

Gidney N Cloyd

(19,831 posts)
26. He'd have to combine a pardon with some plan to whisk her out of the country.
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 06:58 PM
Jul 2020

She has multiple citizenships so I don't know if that complicates things or simplifies them.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
27. That isn't happening with Roger Stone, and Trump has shown that he will
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 07:02 PM
Jul 2020

withhold any information that he wants to from investigators, regardless of who they are. He is even ignoring a Supreme Court ruling on DACA.

localroger

(3,625 posts)
40. Stone was granted bail
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 08:04 AM
Jul 2020

He was out of jail for the whole trial process and Trump commuted his sentence just before he would have had to report to jail. Ghislaine is in jail and the judge has made it clear she's going to stay there until her trial, which will be at least a year from now. There's nothing Trump can do about that and I can't see her putting up with it if she can cut a deal with someone else.

localroger

(3,625 posts)
43. This is true but only applies to things Trump can control
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 02:32 PM
Jul 2020

And while Trump has proven willing and able to trash many institutions, some remain independent. Roger Stone proclaimed loyalty to Trump, and Trump learned with Joe Arpaio that there is a down side to a pardon, which is why he commuted Roger's sentence instead -- better to be a felon than be compelled to testify, after all. That he did it that way suggests that Stone could have been compelled to testify if pardoned and that this was worth worrying about. Ghislaine has not proclaimed loyalty to anybody except Epstein and probably has a lot more Epstein dirt to make public than Stone ever dreamed of.

The way prosecutions work is that a witness can get off lightly if they produce a bigger fish, but with Epstein's death Maxwell is now the biggest fish herself in the whole Epstein network. The only way she can buy her way out is to offer up something even bigger, or to threaten the right people with a willingness to do so.

kentuck

(111,076 posts)
22. That's his code talk.
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 06:43 PM
Jul 2020

For sure!

Also, that question was set up, would be my opinion. Nobody else asked about Ghislaine Maxwell?

skip fox

(19,356 posts)
30. Was the question asked by Steven Nelson of the NY Post a set-up??
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 07:15 PM
Jul 2020

It was the only question not on the virus, our response to it, or Trump's elect-ability due to it.

And I think is was the only follow-up question asked.

tableturner

(1,680 posts)
32. Can't kill her. She has thumb drives of Epstein's blackmail material to be released if she's killed.
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 08:03 PM
Jul 2020

You know that she has associates who have the evidence and who have been instructed to release it if she's killed. And....she's made sure that we, including Trump, et al, know it. Trump most likely HAS to pardon her after the election. A storm of criticism is not nearly as bad as being charged with child sex crimes.

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