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Hope I heard this wrong.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)or they mis-reported.
Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)spanone
(135,823 posts)President Trump to deploy federal agents to Chicago as part of anti-violence effort; Mayor Lightfoot says focus will not be protesters
Mayor Lori Lightfoot said she got assurances from the federal government that agents would be focused on efforts to help the city with its pressing need to deal with gun violence, not with protesters.
After responding with a pointed letter to the president Monday, Lightfoot softened her tone a bit, appearing cautiously ready to welcome the agents after getting clarification on their role.
"We welcome actual partnership, but we do not welcome dictatorship," Mayor Lightfoot said. "We do not welcome authoritarianism."
https://abc7chicago.com/politics/trump-to-deploy-federal-agents-to-chicago-as-part-of-anti-violence-effort/6328585/
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Hortensis
(58,785 posts)deal's off and Lightfoot can sue them for abusing civil rights or whatever. But people have to realize, they were coming anyway. Trump has the authority to send them to guard defined federal interests. And the violence does have to be stopped. Lightfoot has an absolute duty to protect the people of Chicago, including the demonstrators. Another 15 murdered at a funeral for young man who'd been murdered.
And let's not forget, if all those yammering now had VOTED against the Republicans, this would not be happening. Lightfoot has to deal with what irresponsible citizens have done.
Mosby
(16,299 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Mosby
(16,299 posts)To produce that many injuries.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)zaj
(3,433 posts)She can change her actions if they change theirs.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)If she turned this down, we'd never hear the end of how liberal big city (i.e., black) mayors aren't doing anything about "black on black crime."
Mayors have been begging for help from the federal government to help them deal with crime in their midst. She can't very well say no when the help is offered, even if we're suspicious of the motives. And this way, she can get the feds to agree to very clear parameters for their activity, something that wouldn't happen if they just start storming the city as they would do if she told them no.
If they help, it's a win for the community and for the mayor. If they become a problem, she can deal with that but won't have put herself in the position of having rejected help.
0rganism
(23,944 posts)what could possibly go wrong?
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ucrdem
(15,512 posts)or somebody found it, Rudy or Barr, giving him authority to send emergency squads where he sees fit. Could be 9/11, could be Covid-19, or some other emergency authorization that was never quite rescinded, or maybe timed out with some kind of automatic resumption clause. Whatever it is it's sure to be dubious.
FM123
(10,053 posts)It's almost like they carry with them at all times a "Dubious Playbook" where their copy of the constitution should be.
Saw this a lot under Bush-Cheney. They pushed through all kinds of toxic legislation including the entire DHS under cover of 9/11, but this has been going on longer than that. Still it's probably a fight for big states to fight, like California which has multiple lawsuits going against the admin, not for individual cities.
p.s. and of course the Patriot Act which is probably what they'll point to when it gets adjudicated . . . which I hope will be soon!
LizBeth
(9,952 posts)I have not read thru it all, but I do have feelers out and am paying attention to see what exactly is the status of Trump people. And what rules if any they follow.
North Shore Chicago
(3,313 posts)Ace Rothstein
(3,160 posts)Over a dozen people were shot at a wake last night.
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HotTeaBag
(1,206 posts)What's your solution?
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)HotTeaBag
(1,206 posts)Which is why the mayor is welcoming the federal help.
And those dozen people aren't an anecdote, they're data.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)She's welcoming federal help not law breakers such as in Portland that aren't welcomed.
And yes, 12 people dying horribly isn't even near half the picture so it's anecdotal
HotTeaBag
(1,206 posts)and you're well aware of that so, back to reality - here's what she said:
"Lightfoot said she expects Chicago will receive resources that will plug into existing federal agencies that already work with the city, including the FBI, Drug Enforcement Administration and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives".
https://www.chicagotribune.com/politics/ct-chicago-police-dhs-trump-lightfoot-20200721-6376thfgdfcxvickrnernzt27i-story.html
And the 12 newly dead are not anecdotal - they're 12 more dead to add to the over 300 who've already been killed:
Six months into the year, 329 people have been killed in Chicago, an increase of about 34% from the 246 homicides during the same period last year, according to police. Shootings in that period rose by about 42%, from 978 in 2019 to 1384 in 2020.
Shootings across the city increased by 75% last month alone, with 424 shootings in June 2020 compared to 242 in June 2019, according to police statistics. Murders in Chicago rose by 78%, with 89 reported in June 2020 compared to 50 in the same month last year.
In June, the city saw its highest number of gun violence victims in a single weekend this year.
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/chicago-murders-and-shootings-up-overall-crime-down-halfway-through-2020-police-say/2298155/
uponit7771
(90,335 posts).. so why the need to differentiate which ones she's asking for via source?!
My question relates to her asking for one or the other
Hmmm, I'm not going to normalize Trump's shit by playing with words
HotTeaBag
(1,206 posts)is unable on their own to deal with the amount of murders and violent crime that has been taking place in Chicago - for years.
It's that simple.
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StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)They can't fight this on their own.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... federal help when needed I don't see too many welcoming Trump Troops
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)To reiterate what someone posted upthread:
Mayor Lori Lightfoot said she got assurances from the federal government that agents would be focused on efforts to help the city with its pressing need to deal with gun violence, not with protesters.
After responding with a pointed letter to the president Monday, Lightfoot softened her tone a bit, appearing cautiously ready to welcome the agents after getting clarification on their role.
"We welcome actual partnership, but we do not welcome dictatorship," Mayor Lightfoot said. "We do not welcome authoritarianism."
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)for a long time though. Since federal thugs were coming no matter what she did, Lightfoot hopes to put them to good work. If her make-lemonade deal works, Trump gets some positive press from it, unfortunately, BUT Chicago gets a big drop in out-of-control violent crime.
Btw, most or all of those 15 funeral-goers who died today seem to have been black. You know, as in "black lives matter"? Very possibly the murdered victim in the casket also.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)federal assistance with gangbanging.
The Magistrate
(95,244 posts)It was not uncommon for federal officers to join city police in enforcing laws against a felon possessing firearms, that being a violation of federal as well as state law. Federal prosecution was often feared more than local.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Among other things, it takes away Trump's ability to blame the violence on the city itself. If the federal law enforcement is able to work with local authorities to reduce the violence, the mayor can say, "We've been telling you this is bigger than us and we have been begging for help. We were right. Now that we have the help we asked for, we're able to handle this better."
And if it doesn't help, she can say, "Not so easy, is it?" And while he'll certainly say it anyway, Trump will not have as much credibility trying to smear the mayor and the city with the problem or claim that he needs to be reelected because only he can fix it since he'll have had his chance and didn't fix anything.
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Iliyah
(25,111 posts)targeting USA's citizens of their 1st, 4th Amendment rights are they truly capable of protecting the USA from attacks from actual terrorists?
As to Mayor Lightfoot, apparently she has gotten assurances from the various agencies.
As to Portland, that is an invasion of The United States citizen's rights. They must be held accountable.
brooklynite
(94,502 posts)Shots were fired at attendees of a funeral in the 1000 block of 79th Street from a black vehicle speeding west about 6:30 p.m. Tuesday, according to First Deputy Superintendent Eric Carter, who spoke at the scene Tuesday night.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-gresham-mass-shooting-chicago-violence-20200722-d2ycyolqfvdsnjc2igldpe2g2u-story.html
After a frenzied 24 hours during which Mayor Lori Lightfoot threatened to sue if President Donald Trump tried to send federal agents into Chicago without her permission, she acknowledged Tuesday that the city would be working with federal agents to fight crime but warned that her administration would be vigilant against abuses of power.
Lightfoot changed her tone after talking with U.S. Attorney John Lausch, a former colleague who she has said she respects and admires, who assured her an influx of law enforcement would be working collaboratively with Chicago cops against violent crime.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/politics/ct-chicago-police-dhs-trump-lightfoot-20200721-6376thfgdfcxvickrnernzt27i-story.html
Talitha
(6,582 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)GoCubsGo
(32,079 posts)It reeks of a bait-and-switch. Chicago has been begging for federal help with the gun violence for years. Now, they're being promised the help. But, I have a feeling it's not going to be the kind they were promised. Or, the kind they actually need.
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Thekaspervote
(32,755 posts)StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)LizBeth
(9,952 posts)being untied against this.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Response to LizBeth (Reply #22)
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StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)than anyone here second-guessing her from the comfort of their keyboards. She knows better than any of us what her city needs and how best to get it. She's not stupid and she's not a tool.
triron
(21,999 posts)Wary of their motives.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)What does it take? I would venture that getting to the kids while they are very young 1-2 years old and providing positive role models may make a difference, but that doesnt account for the horrible parents that some have.
LizBeth
(9,952 posts)is going to do. I call BS.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)triron
(21,999 posts)Link to tweet
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Nevilledog
(51,080 posts)There are some seriously fucked up people in this country. Calling the moms Antifa members now wearing yellow instead of black as a disguise.
triron
(21,999 posts)Nevilledog
(51,080 posts)I don't even look at replies 99.9% of the time. It was a moment of weakness.
kentuck
(111,079 posts)That she has not requested such from the Federal government?
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Life is insane now!