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per CNN, Lori Lightfoot won't oppose presence of Chump's goons in Chicago! WTF (Original Post) MoonRiver Jul 2020 OP
That would be inconsistent with her recent statements; I'm guessing you mis-heard, lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #1
I think it is more she can't stop it than welcomes it. Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #49
President Trump to deploy federal agents to Chicago as part of anti-violence effort; Mayor Lightfoot spanone Jul 2020 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author sunonmars Jul 2020 #4
Well, she struck a deal that will hopefully work. If they break it, Hortensis Jul 2020 #19
15 were shot, a couple are critical. nt Mosby Jul 2020 #34
Thanks for the correction. Too many deaths without assuming more. Hortensis Jul 2020 #39
They must have been armed to the teeth Mosby Jul 2020 #41
Yes. Terrible. Hortensis Jul 2020 #42
So she's taking Chumpy's word he won't target citizens? MoonRiver Jul 2020 #5
Uh, how's this stupid? zaj Jul 2020 #14
She's playing it smart StarfishSaver Jul 2020 #35
hey, she "got assurances from the federal government", ya know? 0rganism Jul 2020 #38
This message was self-deleted by its author sunonmars Jul 2020 #3
He probably found legal authority under an emergency statute ucrdem Jul 2020 #6
You could be right. FM123 Jul 2020 #7
Yep. ucrdem Jul 2020 #9
I am hearing get away with it because of National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012 LizBeth Jul 2020 #21
!!! North Shore Chicago Jul 2020 #8
Chicago is a total shit show right now. Ace Rothstein Jul 2020 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author sunonmars Jul 2020 #11
Needs something more than *just* the police it seems. HotTeaBag Jul 2020 #18
Police can handle situation just fine using data not anecdotes uponit7771 Jul 2020 #24
That doesn't seem to be the case and hasn't been the case for years. HotTeaBag Jul 2020 #26
Link and quote Lightfoot welcoming Trump's Portland like goon squads? Tia...my understanding is uponit7771 Jul 2020 #27
Link and quote to what your asking for is, as you know not possible because it's disingenuous HotTeaBag Jul 2020 #29
K, so it goes without saying that Trump's goon squads aren't welcomed ... uponit7771 Jul 2020 #30
No, she is welcoming federal help because her very own police force HotTeaBag Jul 2020 #31
Post removed Post removed Jul 2020 #44
Cities have been asking for help from the federal government. StarfishSaver Jul 2020 #36
Goons and federal help are two different groups, the OP is about Trumps goons mayors welcome uponit7771 Jul 2020 #48
Mayor Lightfoot hasn't invited nor is she likely to welcome "Trump's goons" StarfishSaver Jul 2020 #51
100% agreement as stated. Chicago has been wracked with violence Hortensis Jul 2020 #28
That's horrible but that's not data, there's no call for feds help in Chicago uponit7771 Jul 2020 #23
Get it together, people-- the day after that funeral shooting the Mayor of Chicago cannot refuse... TreasonousBastard Jul 2020 #12
Years Ago, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2020 #16
This is a smart move by the Mayor StarfishSaver Jul 2020 #40
This message was self-deleted by its author sunonmars Jul 2020 #47
DHS is so concerned about . . Iliyah Jul 2020 #13
"At least 15 people shot in exchange of gunfire at funeral in Gresham neighborhood on South Side" brooklynite Jul 2020 #15
And once they get their foot in the door... Talitha Jul 2020 #17
Right!!!! uponit7771 Jul 2020 #25
+1 jalan48 Jul 2020 #32
Yeah, that's what worries me about this, too. GoCubsGo Jul 2020 #45
This message was self-deleted by its author sunonmars Jul 2020 #46
yep triron Jul 2020 #50
I'm sorry to hear this..absolutely no good will come of it Thekaspervote Jul 2020 #20
What alternative solution do you propose? StarfishSaver Jul 2020 #37
As much as it may be needed, I am afraid this validate Trump and his action and stops Mayors and gov LizBeth Jul 2020 #22
Yes, it is a very slippery slope. MoonRiver Jul 2020 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author sunonmars Jul 2020 #43
I'm quite certain Mayor Lightfood is just as woke and more capable and knowledgeable about this StarfishSaver Jul 2020 #54
A lot of that seems to surface close to an election. triron Jul 2020 #57
I wonder what it takes to convince some young kids not to settle differences with lethal weapons. Blue_true Jul 2020 #52
Food in the tummy, love in the home, clothes on their back. Ya. Lol. I do not know what Trumps army LizBeth Jul 2020 #58
***WARNING*** Trump Goons and "Federal Help" are ... NOT ... the same thing uponit7771 Jul 2020 #53
Thank you. StarfishSaver Jul 2020 #55
This is what she can exppect: triron Jul 2020 #56
It's so disgusting reading the tweets in response. Nevilledog Jul 2020 #59
How can this be? triron Jul 2020 #60
I know, I know. Nevilledog Jul 2020 #61
MSNBC just reported the opposite? kentuck Jul 2020 #62
Changed her mind?? MoonRiver Jul 2020 #63

spanone

(135,823 posts)
2. President Trump to deploy federal agents to Chicago as part of anti-violence effort; Mayor Lightfoot
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 09:46 AM
Jul 2020

President Trump to deploy federal agents to Chicago as part of anti-violence effort; Mayor Lightfoot says focus will not be protesters

CHICAGO (WLS) -- The ABC7 I-Team has learned that President Trump will announce a new federal anti-crime initiative Wednesday afternoon. The initiative aimed at combatting violence in American cities, including expanding a federal law enforcement presence in Chicago.

Mayor Lori Lightfoot said she got assurances from the federal government that agents would be focused on efforts to help the city with its pressing need to deal with gun violence, not with protesters.

After responding with a pointed letter to the president Monday, Lightfoot softened her tone a bit, appearing cautiously ready to welcome the agents after getting clarification on their role.

"We welcome actual partnership, but we do not welcome dictatorship," Mayor Lightfoot said. "We do not welcome authoritarianism."


https://abc7chicago.com/politics/trump-to-deploy-federal-agents-to-chicago-as-part-of-anti-violence-effort/6328585/

Response to spanone (Reply #2)

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
19. Well, she struck a deal that will hopefully work. If they break it,
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 11:24 AM
Jul 2020

deal's off and Lightfoot can sue them for abusing civil rights or whatever. But people have to realize, they were coming anyway. Trump has the authority to send them to guard defined federal interests. And the violence does have to be stopped. Lightfoot has an absolute duty to protect the people of Chicago, including the demonstrators. Another 15 murdered at a funeral for young man who'd been murdered.

And let's not forget, if all those yammering now had VOTED against the Republicans, this would not be happening. Lightfoot has to deal with what irresponsible citizens have done.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
35. She's playing it smart
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 12:29 PM
Jul 2020

If she turned this down, we'd never hear the end of how liberal big city (i.e., black) mayors aren't doing anything about "black on black crime."

Mayors have been begging for help from the federal government to help them deal with crime in their midst. She can't very well say no when the help is offered, even if we're suspicious of the motives. And this way, she can get the feds to agree to very clear parameters for their activity, something that wouldn't happen if they just start storming the city as they would do if she told them no.

If they help, it's a win for the community and for the mayor. If they become a problem, she can deal with that but won't have put herself in the position of having rejected help.

Response to MoonRiver (Original post)

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
6. He probably found legal authority under an emergency statute
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 09:50 AM
Jul 2020

or somebody found it, Rudy or Barr, giving him authority to send emergency squads where he sees fit. Could be 9/11, could be Covid-19, or some other emergency authorization that was never quite rescinded, or maybe timed out with some kind of automatic resumption clause. Whatever it is it's sure to be dubious.

FM123

(10,053 posts)
7. You could be right.
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 09:55 AM
Jul 2020

It's almost like they carry with them at all times a "Dubious Playbook" where their copy of the constitution should be.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
9. Yep.
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 10:03 AM
Jul 2020

Saw this a lot under Bush-Cheney. They pushed through all kinds of toxic legislation including the entire DHS under cover of 9/11, but this has been going on longer than that. Still it's probably a fight for big states to fight, like California which has multiple lawsuits going against the admin, not for individual cities.

p.s. and of course the Patriot Act which is probably what they'll point to when it gets adjudicated . . . which I hope will be soon!

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
21. I am hearing get away with it because of National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 11:40 AM
Jul 2020

I have not read thru it all, but I do have feelers out and am paying attention to see what exactly is the status of Trump people. And what rules if any they follow.

Response to Ace Rothstein (Reply #10)

 

HotTeaBag

(1,206 posts)
26. That doesn't seem to be the case and hasn't been the case for years.
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 11:47 AM
Jul 2020

Which is why the mayor is welcoming the federal help.

And those dozen people aren't an anecdote, they're data.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
27. Link and quote Lightfoot welcoming Trump's Portland like goon squads? Tia...my understanding is
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 11:50 AM
Jul 2020

She's welcoming federal help not law breakers such as in Portland that aren't welcomed.

And yes, 12 people dying horribly isn't even near half the picture so it's anecdotal

 

HotTeaBag

(1,206 posts)
29. Link and quote to what your asking for is, as you know not possible because it's disingenuous
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 11:59 AM
Jul 2020

and you're well aware of that so, back to reality - here's what she said:


"Lightfoot said she expects Chicago will receive resources that will plug into existing federal agencies that already work with the city, including the FBI, Drug Enforcement Administration and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives".


https://www.chicagotribune.com/politics/ct-chicago-police-dhs-trump-lightfoot-20200721-6376thfgdfcxvickrnernzt27i-story.html


And the 12 newly dead are not anecdotal - they're 12 more dead to add to the over 300 who've already been killed:

Six months into the year, 329 people have been killed in Chicago, an increase of about 34% from the 246 homicides during the same period last year, according to police. Shootings in that period rose by about 42%, from 978 in 2019 to 1384 in 2020.

Shootings across the city increased by 75% last month alone, with 424 shootings in June 2020 compared to 242 in June 2019, according to police statistics. Murders in Chicago rose by 78%, with 89 reported in June 2020 compared to 50 in the same month last year.

In June, the city saw its highest number of gun violence victims in a single weekend this year.

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/chicago-murders-and-shootings-up-overall-crime-down-halfway-through-2020-police-say/2298155/



uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
30. K, so it goes without saying that Trump's goon squads aren't welcomed ...
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 12:04 PM
Jul 2020

.. so why the need to differentiate which ones she's asking for via source?!

My question relates to her asking for one or the other

Hmmm, I'm not going to normalize Trump's shit by playing with words

 

HotTeaBag

(1,206 posts)
31. No, she is welcoming federal help because her very own police force
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 12:09 PM
Jul 2020

is unable on their own to deal with the amount of murders and violent crime that has been taking place in Chicago - for years.

It's that simple.

Response to HotTeaBag (Reply #31)

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
48. Goons and federal help are two different groups, the OP is about Trumps goons mayors welcome
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 12:58 PM
Jul 2020

... federal help when needed I don't see too many welcoming Trump Troops

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
51. Mayor Lightfoot hasn't invited nor is she likely to welcome "Trump's goons"
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 01:08 PM
Jul 2020

To reiterate what someone posted upthread:

The ABC7 I-Team has learned that President Trump will announce a new federal anti-crime initiative Wednesday afternoon. The initiative aimed at combatting violence in American cities, including expanding a federal law enforcement presence in Chicago.

Mayor Lori Lightfoot said she got assurances from the federal government that agents would be focused on efforts to help the city with its pressing need to deal with gun violence, not with protesters.

After responding with a pointed letter to the president Monday, Lightfoot softened her tone a bit, appearing cautiously ready to welcome the agents after getting clarification on their role.

"We welcome actual partnership, but we do not welcome dictatorship," Mayor Lightfoot said. "We do not welcome authoritarianism."

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
28. 100% agreement as stated. Chicago has been wracked with violence
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 11:51 AM
Jul 2020

for a long time though. Since federal thugs were coming no matter what she did, Lightfoot hopes to put them to good work. If her make-lemonade deal works, Trump gets some positive press from it, unfortunately, BUT Chicago gets a big drop in out-of-control violent crime.

Btw, most or all of those 15 funeral-goers who died today seem to have been black. You know, as in "black lives matter"? Very possibly the murdered victim in the casket also.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
12. Get it together, people-- the day after that funeral shooting the Mayor of Chicago cannot refuse...
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 10:11 AM
Jul 2020

federal assistance with gangbanging.

The Magistrate

(95,244 posts)
16. Years Ago, Sir
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 10:42 AM
Jul 2020

It was not uncommon for federal officers to join city police in enforcing laws against a felon possessing firearms, that being a violation of federal as well as state law. Federal prosecution was often feared more than local.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
40. This is a smart move by the Mayor
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 12:38 PM
Jul 2020

Among other things, it takes away Trump's ability to blame the violence on the city itself. If the federal law enforcement is able to work with local authorities to reduce the violence, the mayor can say, "We've been telling you this is bigger than us and we have been begging for help. We were right. Now that we have the help we asked for, we're able to handle this better."

And if it doesn't help, she can say, "Not so easy, is it?" And while he'll certainly say it anyway, Trump will not have as much credibility trying to smear the mayor and the city with the problem or claim that he needs to be reelected because only he can fix it since he'll have had his chance and didn't fix anything.

Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #40)

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
13. DHS is so concerned about . .
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 10:13 AM
Jul 2020

targeting USA's citizens of their 1st, 4th Amendment rights are they truly capable of protecting the USA from attacks from actual terrorists?

As to Mayor Lightfoot, apparently she has gotten assurances from the various agencies.

As to Portland, that is an invasion of The United States citizen's rights. They must be held accountable.

brooklynite

(94,502 posts)
15. "At least 15 people shot in exchange of gunfire at funeral in Gresham neighborhood on South Side"
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 10:24 AM
Jul 2020
At least 15 people were shot Tuesday evening in an attack on people attending a funeral in the Gresham neighborhood and one person was in custody, authorities said.

Shots were fired at attendees of a funeral in the 1000 block of 79th Street from a black vehicle speeding west about 6:30 p.m. Tuesday, according to First Deputy Superintendent Eric Carter, who spoke at the scene Tuesday night.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-gresham-mass-shooting-chicago-violence-20200722-d2ycyolqfvdsnjc2igldpe2g2u-story.html


Mayor Lori Lightfoot says Chicago expects influx of federal agents to help city fight violence, ‘but we do not welcome dictatorship’

After a frenzied 24 hours during which Mayor Lori Lightfoot threatened to sue if President Donald Trump tried to send federal agents into Chicago without her permission, she acknowledged Tuesday that the city would be working with federal agents to fight crime but warned that her administration would be vigilant against abuses of power.

Lightfoot changed her tone after talking with U.S. Attorney John Lausch, a former colleague who she has said she respects and admires, who assured her an influx of law enforcement would be working “collaboratively” with Chicago cops against violent crime.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/politics/ct-chicago-police-dhs-trump-lightfoot-20200721-6376thfgdfcxvickrnernzt27i-story.html

GoCubsGo

(32,079 posts)
45. Yeah, that's what worries me about this, too.
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 12:49 PM
Jul 2020

It reeks of a bait-and-switch. Chicago has been begging for federal help with the gun violence for years. Now, they're being promised the help. But, I have a feeling it's not going to be the kind they were promised. Or, the kind they actually need.

Response to GoCubsGo (Reply #45)

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
22. As much as it may be needed, I am afraid this validate Trump and his action and stops Mayors and gov
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 11:42 AM
Jul 2020

being untied against this.

Response to LizBeth (Reply #22)

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
54. I'm quite certain Mayor Lightfood is just as woke and more capable and knowledgeable about this
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 01:16 PM
Jul 2020

than anyone here second-guessing her from the comfort of their keyboards. She knows better than any of us what her city needs and how best to get it. She's not stupid and she's not a tool.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
52. I wonder what it takes to convince some young kids not to settle differences with lethal weapons.
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 01:14 PM
Jul 2020

What does it take? I would venture that getting to the kids while they are very young 1-2 years old and providing positive role models may make a difference, but that doesn’t account for the horrible parents that some have.

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
58. Food in the tummy, love in the home, clothes on their back. Ya. Lol. I do not know what Trumps army
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 02:10 PM
Jul 2020

is going to do. I call BS.

Nevilledog

(51,080 posts)
59. It's so disgusting reading the tweets in response.
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 02:18 PM
Jul 2020

There are some seriously fucked up people in this country. Calling the moms Antifa members now wearing yellow instead of black as a disguise.

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