Frank Figluzzi, retired FBI, just warned the DHS agents

[Ilsa]

that there will be a legal reckoning for each of them personally for taking people off the streets without probable cause, not taking them to a federal detention center, not charging them. He told them they are outside the mandate for their jobs, and they better get their professional liability insurance paid up.

[sheshe2]

1. K&R

[smirkymonkey]

2. K&R

[whistler162]

3. Two words

Abu Ghraib

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse#Convictions_of_soldiers

[Ilsa]

4. Kick that! I wish FF had mentioned them. nt

[winetourdriver01]

60. So...

Why do you suppose he didn't?

Ilsa, in all honesty, have you given much consideration to that question? Because it's a good one.

[Hortensis]

5. They've been taking them to the federal building and releasing

them after they ask for an attorney. No doubt some feel kinda "tortured," though, by not being told if they were charged with anything. This isn't what they were raised to think being American and in America is. Much the same for their "torturers" also, according to Fibliuzzi.

"If you've been thinking the only thing your city has been missing is a federal secret police force, you may be in luck." Brian Williams

[zentrum]

85. What happened to the individual

…soldiers in the Abu Ghraib trial was a travesty. Yes, they deserved it, but the "just a few bad-apples" theory allowed the Cheney/Bush regime itself to escape torture charges.

Yoo is advising DHS as I understand it. The more things change, the more they remain the same.

Getting a few DHS goons does not really solve the fascistic danger we're in.

[KS Toronado]

6. Wonder how he warned them, with a tweet or front page Portland newspaper?

[Tbear]

10. Mr. Figluzzi warned them

on live TV Deadline White House while speaking with host Nicole Wallace.
I saw it.

[dmr]

67. I heard him, too. He was deadly serious.

Donald, Barr, etc will leave them hanging in the wind. No doubt about it.

[Maxheader]

84. That's what I'm thinking...

There is no justice in this country right now..imho...

[Hekate]

18. On live TV. I saw it, too.

[3Hotdogs]

7. They have nuthin' to worry about.

They control the Supreme Court and John Yoo is advising Trump. Yoo was on Smirconish this morning, pretty much agreeing that Gropenfuhrer was good with what is going on in Portland.

[zentrum]

21. Agreed. They have nothing to worry about.

[patphil]

50. For now.

Next year will be a different story. With Trump and Barr gone, some of them will be brought up on charges, along with their commanders.

[Squidly]

73. Unless they are pardoned

tRump will make sure that happens

[patphil]

79. It's possible, but these people don't mean a thing to Trump. They're just tools to suit his need.

I wouldn't be surprised if he has other things on his mind after the election and simply forgets to pardon them.

[NJCher]

39. please stop peddling your learned hopelessness

here.

It so happens that a helluva lot of people care about this issue and will not let it rest.

The idea that the Supreme Court votes as a monolith has recently been disproven by Roberts and by, of all people, the "I like beer" Frat Boy.

[Hekate]

68. Well said

[SharonAnn]

63. I doubt they can afford the lawyers fee.

[dixiegrrrrl]

86. Ecellent news, thank you.

Because everything trump touches, dies, and Yoo has evaded real consequences for being Bush's torture guru.

[Iggo]

8. 'Cause when their case comes up, Donnie won't be president anymore.

Lawyer up, boys!

[ProudMNDemocrat]

9. Remember the Nuremberg Trials....

"I was only following orders" as issued by Donald Trump and William Barr.

Joe Biden's New AG will have a full plate.

[Moostache]

11. Kamala Harris is going to kick so much ass she'll need new boots by March 2021!!! (n/t)

[ReformedGOPer]

17. Can't wait.

[SergeStorms]

30. She'll knock them down so far...

they'll be able to pull their socks up over their heads. I'd dearly love to see Ms. Harris as Attorney General when Joe wins!

[MontanaMama]

48. I'll get her the best boots money can buy.

It’s an investment!

[NJCher]

40. right-O, Iggo

But then these types never were real good at assessing future prospects. That's why they thought they could open up the country and Rona would cooperate.

[Lonestarblue]

12. Some of the secret police are ICE agents.

Men who have no qualms about ripping babies from their mothers’ arms or keeping kids in cages in the most uncomfortable, unsanitary conditions imaginable have no souls. Calling on them to respect their oaths or to act honorably is useless. I suspect they enjoy the violence. I also suspect that these secret police were screened to ensure that they would not have any concern about legalities or public safety. They were chosen for maximum violence to create the conditions Trump wants for his re-election photo ops.

[Xipe Totec]

15. La migra (immigration), known in Hispanic circles as La mugre (the filth) nt

[SergeStorms]

31. That's funny.

How Latinos in this country can still have a sense of humor amazes me.

[Scruffy1]

42. My neighbors are all of Mexican ancestry.

I think it's because if you lost your sense of humor and and didn't have any empathy for others you would be like the enemy. When's the last time you heard one of the christo-fascists being funny, respectful, tolerant or friendly? I truly love it here.

[BlueIdaho]

20. It's the whole alphabet soup of private contractors.

All likely enriching Eric Prince - but still operating under US government agencies that don’t have to exist forever. For starters Department of Homeland Security has outlived any possible usefulness. It was always dangerous - now it’s a disaster. Get rid of it. Next Customs and Border Patrol - if they have enough agents to terrorize cities and the border, they have too many agents. Reduce its size and reduce the area where they can legally operate. ICE agents specifically should all be held for crimes against humanity followed by long prison sentences.

Finally - the Patriot Act is responsible for a withering range of government overreach into American’s lives. It should be revoked and all government snooping on private citizens should be ceased until the personal rights of all our citizens can be assured.

[BKDem]

29. If our democracy survives, we need to do all this and more.

[The Mouth]

33. "if they have enough agents to terrorize cities and the border, they have too many agents."

This.

[crickets]

71. Nailed it on all counts. nt

[wnylib]

23. RW militia thugs recruited by

Erik Prince is my hunch.

[Schmice3]

13. What happened to the arrestees?

Were they caught and released into the wild? Are they being held somewhere? Have they been charged? Have they been given court dates? What about bail? I don't know the upshot. Anyone know?

[LiberalArkie]

22. Probably Catch and release.. scare them as soon as they ask for a lawyer.

[The Mouth]

34. That's assuming

that some didn't just ... vanish ('Nacht und Nebel')

[Blue_true]

41. They were detained in the Court House and released without charges or paperwork.

I can’t believe federal agents are involved with that behavior. President Biden should get each one’s identity and fire those people.

[BlueIdaho]

52. I believe they were never technically "arrested."

These agents do not have the legal power of arrest. It is doubtful they have the power to even detain and even less likely they have the power to roam the streets looking to stop people they may at some future point violate some law. There is no such thing as “Future Crime.”

These SOBs have the right to protect Federal buildings and that is is. I hope the Federal judge will as such in the case brought by the Oregon Attorney General and a o II by the ACLU.

[ancianita]

62. If so, then they've been assaulted and kidnapped.

[BadgerMom]

14. I hope so. Job 1: Identify them.

Frickin’ anonymous cowards.

[wnylib]

27. Maybe have a sketch artist talk to released victims,

then compare the sketch to known RW extremists or other photo sources. Not a surefire ID of the culprits, but it might narrow down suspects whose activities warrant monitoring. I strongly suspect that the Gestapo units in Portland have close ties to groups like Oathkeepers.

[lindalou65]

44. Yes, ID these goons

I don't post much but I wonder....Where do they stay after they are done for the night? Follow these goons and expose them! They can be followed. Maybe somebody is already doing that.

[BadgerMom]

49. I've thought the same thing.

What hotel are they in? Who’s feeding them? How do they spend their time? Where? Get photos. Post them to social networks. There’s work for daytime folks as well as nighttime marchers.

[Stuart G]

16. Orders from Trump...Will he pay a price too?

[fierywoman]

28. Will Spanky pay for their lawyers?

[geardaddy]

19. Hair Furor's new brownshirts.

[USALiberal]

24. Source??? nt

[Ilsa]

82. FF was Nicolle Wallace's guest on Deadline Whitehouse.

[Drahthaardogs]

25. Better up their life insurance

Unmarked officer in unmarked car = kidnapping. Might get shot

[bucolic_frolic]

26. Love the guy

These talking heads on TV that have guided the media through this crisis are legends.

[wnylib]

32. Pay attention to the cities and states

where Trump is deploying his troops. Is this just political posturing for the election?

Or is it part of a larger, even more dangerous plan to have troops in place after the election to enforce his refusal to cede the election without a literal fight? Massive crackdowns in places where he expects strong opposition to falsified claims of a Trump win.

Sure, Biden can be sworn in and Trump can be removed from the WH by US marshalls. But Trump's enablers and backers do not just think outside the box. They operate totally without a box.

Hope for the best, but be prepared for anything.

[durablend]

35. Of course it is

They'll be "keeping peace" at the polls in various blue districts, making sure no trouble arises (ie the "wrong people" voting)

[Thekaspervote]

47. If a take over was his goal, he should have had things in place long b4 this.

It takes time to do a paramilitary take over. He’d have to have tens thousands of goons in place ready to pounce. He has no equipment, supplies or support staff. He has none of that. A typical don the con last minute lazy shit show that will backfire.

Most of this comment was posted here earlier today more succinctly ...sorry I didn’t book mark it!

[wnylib]

51. No equipment, supplies, or support staff?

Check out the SPLC (Southrrn Poverty Law Center) site's map of militias and hate groups that are well armed and supplied. They are like the sleeper cells that Al Qaida once had in the US, only much more numerous. They have been itching for a civil war and would respond in a heartbeat.

[murielm99]

56. These people usually end up infighting.

They are not dependable for trump or anyone else.

[wnylib]

58. Hope you are right.

But I think they can do a lot of damage before they disintegrate. Many of them are former military. Like McVeigh.

[Blue Owl]

36. Make it happen and let this backfire on Fuckstick von Bodybags

I'm sick of this goddamned man-toddler screwing this country over day by day -- time for Donny to get a permanent time-out...

[Kablooie]

38. If not informing someone of their Miranda rights can nullify an arrest...

how will abducting someone with a bag over their head play in the courts?

[SayItLoud]

43. Blanket Pardons for them all.

You say tRUMP can't do it? Hummm, we've been saying for the last couple of years that "tRUMP can't do that". But he continues to "he can't do that". He sure looks like he's above the law(s).

[gademocrat7]

45. K&R!

[Progressive Jones]

46. Not to mention the potential for deadly violence aimed at the DHS agents.

I don't condone it, but sooner or later it could very well happen.

[murielm99]

54. It could happen in Chicago.

They have some vicious gang bangers there. I don't condone it either, but if they feel pushed they could go to war with the DHS agents. It would be ugly.

[Progressive Jones]

55. Exactly. There are gangbangers on the South and West Sides

that DO NOT PLAY...

[oldsoftie]

74. Well, the DHS would likely destroy them if they decided to play with the big boys.

Not that the DHS wouldnt also get hurt in the process.
My guess is the smart ones would fade away till they're gone

[Progressive Jones]

80. They'll lay low. Too much money at stake. But, if push comes to shove,

a war could ignite. That won't be good for anyone involved.

[niyad]

61. Blood running in the streets is exactly what der drumpfenfuhrer wants.

[lindysalsagal]

53. Personal liability insurance wouldn't cover such an intentional act: It's kidnapping!

That insurance is for unforeseen accidental occurrences. If criminals could rob a bank and then use a liability claim to undo the repercussions, our economy would be even more screwed up than it already is!

[ThoughtCriminal]

57. Identifying them is going to be a problem

There's a reason they are concealing their identity. I doubt they are keeping any records.

[Ferrets are Cool]

59. Dammit, please, please, please let this be true.

If it would help to pray to the Flying Spaghetti Monster, I would be on my knees.

[UCmeNdc]

64. K&R

[ecstatic]

65. Which is why they aren't wearing ID, badges, or any other

insignia that would give away their identities. In order to charge, we would have to know who TF they are first.

[dhol82]

66. Who knew federal agents had liability insurance?

[blakstoneranger]

69. STRANGE

I think barr and trump have sent infiltrates to mingle with the protesters. They create havoc by destroying fed property, this gives barr the authority 2 send in feds. Hitler did it. J Edgar hoover did it to mlk and the black panthers (using black spies), nixon did it. Because it doesn't make sense for the real protesters 2 cause problems with the fed by tearing up property. Trump is desparate he needs to improve his poll numbers.

[47of74]

70. Better yet these fucksticks should read up on Nuremberg

And what the Allies did to Nazi asswipes who claimied they were just following orders.

[gulliver]

72. I wish there were a place to keep the "rogues gallery" of these guys' pictures.

Call it blackballedforlifeforfascism.com. Get their pictures and fingerprints. Get DNA from anything they've handled. Get their identities from FOIA requests about travel expenses. They need to know they'll pay for taking illegal orders.

[murielm99]

75. I don't recommend this usually,

but dox them. That would be a start, and it could be easier than all the rest you have suggested.

[Ilsa]

83. I tend to agree. They are depending

on group anonymity, so the best thing to do is sniff them out. Follow them leaving the fed building. Look for ways to get a name. Once one is known, hopefully it'll be easier to get the names of others.

[randr]

76. Someone should take a recording of this

and play it very loud in front of the building the fascists are hiding inside.

[CCExile]

77. How are their actions different than kidnapping?

[Ilsa]

78. They are not, as far as I can see.

I'd probably pee in the vehicle. Fart, if I could without pooping.

[Backseat Driver]

81. They are domestic terrorists in a time of National Emergency