In light of Portland being invaded by Nazi fake cops rounding up protesters what I'm

[kacekwl]

going to say may not be popular but here goes. As a long time resident of Chicago and Illinois the ONLY way to stop the killings, shootings and crime in Chicago and Illinois in general is for the governor and mayor of Chicago and other mayors involved is to declare a state of emergency. The gang members are widely known by law enforcement agencies. They need to be arrested and held for as long as possible. I know it violates their civil rights but that's why a state of emergency is declared. The gangs are responsible for the vast majority of shootings and killing and everyone knows it. We have an empty prison they could be held while questioned and investigated for criminal behavior,gun charges etc. The people in the streets know who they are but will not say because fear of some such "code" of silence. I know it is harsh and possibly illegal but they can work it out in court. I guarantee you would see a massive reduction in violence in no time. If anyone has a better idea or solution please or thinks this won't work let me hear it.

[regnaD kciN]

1. So, we need to violate Civil Rights...

...in order to keep Trump from sending in troops to violate Civil Rights. Gotcha.

[ret5hd]

2. I think you are collapsing to your fears.

Or are you truly willing to become one of “them”?

[kacekwl]

11. I don't Live in fear. The people in Chicago do. I don't want to

become one of them. I'm looking for ideas to stop a problem that has been going on for decades. Got any ?

[ret5hd]

13. Start firing cops playing at "slowdown"...

One at a time, one per hour, till the slowdown AND abuse of innocent civilians STOPS.

[ancianita]

18. That's not true. I and everyone I know who live in Chicago have never lived in fear here.

I've lived in Chi since 1974, North and now the South Sides. Never lived in fear.

What we imagine isn't always reality.


AOC has repeated what the Urban Institute has stated: "Communities with a higher share of long-term unemployed workers trend to have higher rates of crime and violence."

Just because that's what's happened, doesn't mean Chicago hasn't had summer jobs programs. It has.

One example. In recent years, the University of Chicago Crime Lab worked with One Summer Chicago Plus jobs program and found a 43% reduction in violent crime arrests for Black youths compared with the control group who did not.

However, there is a long history of global cartels who distribute drugs across the country, particularly in higher unemployment areas of the country, whether it's meth in rural white or suburban areas, or coke in suburban and urban areas.

All Americans need more higher-paying jobs within their reach, particularly youth who consistently have had the highest rates of unemployment of any demographic group, topping 50% back in the 90's.

There is no such thing as a dangerous city.

Chicago doesn't even rank in the top ten U.S cities for murder. Those are cities in red states.

Here's a 2020 ranking. Chicago hasn't been high on any lists for years.
https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/blog/highest-murder-rate-cities

Chicago's problem, like all of the country, is about racist policies that create fascist policing around this nation. There are hundreds of white supremacist groups who move in and out of urban areas to create fear and violence. Law and order right wing leaders don't mind those militarist types joining law enforcement agencies whenever they can to keep up the racist pressure.

Racist policies constantly get justified by lies about the very people they target as criminal, and that their lives don't matter. They lie that their peaceful protests over unjust policies and the targeting of Black people are criminal. Those who've suffered under racist policies and racist killings are blamed. Racists blame the victims. That's Trump and the Republican Party.

[kacekwl]

20. You might want to ask moms and grandma if they and their children

live in fear they won't make it home today. This is a gang with unlimited access to guns killing other gangs problem. Sure there are racist cops and policies but to stop the shooting you have to stop the gangs. I've lived in Chicago West side proper since 1956 to 1984 now in North burbs.

[ancianita]

23. I am them. I've lived among them. Southside for 34 years.

What are you on about way up there in the North burbs.

What you imagine about the situation is not necessarily reality.

A note to Neil Steinberg (staff writer for the Chicago Sun Times) on his blog today:

"I have been working at the Dirkson federal building the last few days now that they have reopened for contractors to return. The place is nearly empty, no trials, very few employees. Sitting outside at lunch, the surrounding plaza, usually bustling, is a ghost town. Except for the press itching for action.

On my cigarette break I see them. A group of about 40 federal agents having a meet and greet in the elevator lobby. The new personnel have arrived to protect against nobody and nothing. I'll see if any of them have been deployed to the west side this morning on my way to work. Out in the neighborhood fighting crime lol. Sure pal."

So, looks like a firsthand account to me. So, so far, kinda okay, even if this presence is a passive wrong being done by this tyrant to his political opponents.

It's tyranny. Yes. Yet not actionable enough for a US military move.


So far, we can see them "just gettin' paid" by the Nazi boss.

What I worry about is that they're maybe waiting around for the "right" conditions. Like voting day.

[Bev54]

3. The Trump admin is using the state of emergency

for covid to justify their being able to go into any city. Forget the state of emergency and get these Trump goons out of every city.

[mjvpi]

4. Very slippery slope

I get you. Entrenched problems are hard to deal with. But look at Tump now. He is nay going into cities controlled by Democrats. His only plan s political theater. What you are proposing, aside from being blatantly unconstitutional, to be done correctly wild need to be planned very well. We could do the same thing in a constitutionally correct way. Rico prosecutions. Start with ATF looking seriously at illegal guns coming from out of state to Chicago. With the city, federal and state agencies. It takes money.

[ret5hd]

5. Not a slippery slope...a vertical cliff.

[mjvpi]

9. Trying to be nice

[kacekwl]

8. That's what I am interested in, ideas.

Thank you. I know my idea is illegal and unconstitutional but the solution is getting rid of gangs and your idea sounds like a great start. Putting more police on the street seems like the 1st and only thing used. Obviously it doesn't work.

[backscatter712]

6. Better idea: 1st, lawsuit. 2nd: Have city and state cops arrest feds that assault protesters.

We need more governors and mayors with the guts to do this.

Option 3:

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

7. Throw a little more WD-40 on that slippery slope, OK?

[sarisataka]

10. I don't think the best road to prevent Nazism

Is to adopt Stalinism

[stillcool]

12. Arrested and held for as long as possible...

nothing new or novel about that. Civil Rights. What kind of rights are those? If you actually wanted to stop people from killing other people, you would take away the weapons used to do it...duh. However, if you want to do a scorched earth kind of thing, and just bust people up and throw them in jail, you're on to something.

[kacekwl]

15. How do you suggest

they do that ?

[stillcool]

19. Government buy-back?...

citizens turning in their guns is not unheard of, and laws regarding gun ownership don't have to apply to the whole country, or even the whole state. That is no solution to gun violence this weekend. I don't think there are solutions to any thing, any time soon...except actions taken by people in their respective neighborhoods. It's a way of life, and until circumstances change to alleviate the conditions...no money, no home, no school, no hope...yada,yada...that breed violence, throw them all in jail, for a really long time. And then torch the neighborhood.

[kacekwl]

14. Getting alot of criticism which is fine

but little ideas.

[ret5hd]

21. Huhhh...I gave a straightforward actionable plan...

but no response.

[Warren_Pointe]

16. They are not in Portland to stop violence.

They are in Portland to quell protests and stamp out dissent.
IIRC, there is a large population of Irish Catholic descent in Chicago. Perhaps they know of a way to stop government thugs from destroying the freedom to protest.

[kacekwl]

17. I'm not talking about protests or

trumps thugs. I'm talking about a real problem with known groups shooting and killing people daily for decades.

[Warren_Pointe]

22. Yeah, that seems to be a big problem in Chicago

Always has been as far as I know. Gang warfare has been raging there since there has been organized crime. Sounds like an awful plan. Why not lock up everyone until they prove they are not in a gang?

My mistake, sounded like your post was about Portland and stormtroopers invading.