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Wed Jul 22, 2020, 05:52 PM

Oh by the way Eliot Engel got to the House

by primarying Mario Biaggi.

Now in fairness Biaggi was a crook, but if you are against primary incumbents...

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Reply Oh by the way Eliot Engel got to the House (Original post)
Voltaire2 Jul 2020 OP
Budi Jul 2020 #1
DFW Jul 2020 #4
Yeehah Jul 2020 #7
Budi Jul 2020 #13
Yeehah Jul 2020 #16
Arazi Jul 2020 #8
liskddksil Jul 2020 #17
DinahMoeHum Jul 2020 #2
Blue_true Jul 2020 #3
DinahMoeHum Jul 2020 #9
Blue_true Jul 2020 #11
Budi Jul 2020 #5
Blue_true Jul 2020 #6
DinahMoeHum Jul 2020 #10
Blue_true Jul 2020 #12
Budi Jul 2020 #14
Blue_true Jul 2020 #18
Budi Jul 2020 #15
Blue_true Jul 2020 #20
jalan48 Jul 2020 #19

Response to Voltaire2 (Original post)

Wed Jul 22, 2020, 05:59 PM

1. Biaggi was a crook. Engel is not.

Engel was an original co-signer of the Green New Deal and Medicare for All.

Go figure

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Response to Budi (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 22, 2020, 09:07 PM

4. Yeah, but consider what really mattered

Bowman is under 50, has no experience in government, and had the support of lots of people who consider both to be overwhelming assets--far greater than all that cool stuff Engel accomplished and fought for.

Don't forget, it is far more important (and less work) to take down Democratic incumbents who have done good than it is to stand up to Republican incumbents who have done evil.

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Response to DFW (Reply #4)

Wed Jul 22, 2020, 10:02 PM

7. Yeah, democracy sucks

We should set up a politburo to make lifetime appointments of the most qualified candidates. Only people with lots of government experience should be considered for a lifetime appointment.

“If I didn’t have a primary, I wouldn’t care."


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Response to Yeehah (Reply #7)

Thu Jul 23, 2020, 12:29 AM

13. Out of context statement. What was the conversation that included that snippet?

Co-authored & Co-signed Green New Deal & M4A.

Guess he wasn't progressive "enough"

Wtf .

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Response to Budi (Reply #13)

Thu Jul 23, 2020, 09:59 AM

16. He did not co-author the Green New Deal

Please get your facts straight.

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Response to DFW (Reply #4)

Wed Jul 22, 2020, 10:12 PM

8. It's. What. The. Constituents. Voted. For.

You don't get to tell them off.

Period.

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Response to Budi (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 23, 2020, 10:04 AM

17. He also opposed the Obama/Biden Iran Nuclear deal

and had one of the most right-wing foreign-policy records in the Democratic caucus. No biggies...

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Response to Voltaire2 (Original post)

Wed Jul 22, 2020, 06:38 PM

2. Bowman damn well better deliver as a Congressman. . .

Last edited Wed Jul 22, 2020, 10:56 PM - Edit history (1)

. . .in serving his constituents. . .first, last and always. No grand-standing bullshit.

Otherwise, AFAIC, he's merely warming the seat for Mario's grand-daughter, Alessandra (who is currently a NY state senator)

Just my 2 cents.




#newrostrong

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Response to DinahMoeHum (Reply #2)

Wed Jul 22, 2020, 08:47 PM

3. Is the granddaughter anything like her granddad?

Last edited Wed Jul 22, 2020, 09:20 PM - Edit history (1)

If not, why hold her linage against her?

On edit:

I looked up her bio and political history. Pretty solid Progressive, leans toward the AOC camp but had a fairly large role in Hillary’s 2016 campaign. Used the problems of her grandfather to insure that she and her staff walk a straight line, ethics and women’s issues seem to be her top priorities, then criminal justice reform and adequate school funding. Pretty solid democrat, eliminated the head of the IDC in the Senate with her primary win in 2018.

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #3)

Wed Jul 22, 2020, 10:52 PM

9. Not in the least. . .

. . .and BTW, I canvassed on her behalf in 2018.




#newrostrong

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Response to DinahMoeHum (Reply #9)

Wed Jul 22, 2020, 10:54 PM

11. Thanks. She seems like a person who has a big future ahead of her in leadership. nt

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Response to DinahMoeHum (Reply #2)

Wed Jul 22, 2020, 09:10 PM

5. Alessandra Biaggi NY State Senator

Gotta applaud her for this Bill.
A good law for her NY citizens

The New York State Senate

NEW YORK STATE SENATOR
Alessandra Biaggi


GOVERNOR CUOMO SIGNS BIAGGI BILL ALLOWING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE SURVIVORS TO TERMINATE RESIDENTIAL LEASES
ALESSANDRA BIAGGI December 21, 2019
BRONX, NY – Yesterday, December 20th, Governor Andrew M. Cuomo signed legislation sponsored by State Senator Alessandra Biaggi (S4281A), providing for the termination of a residential lease by a survivor of domestic violence. The bill allows tenants to pay rent, pro-rata, up to the lease termination date.

State Senator Alessandra Biaggi (D-Bronx/Westchester) issued the following statement:

The purpose of this bill is to give survivors of domestic violence the ability to remove themselves from a dangerous living situation without facing legal or financial penalties. It is imperative that we continue to eliminate barriers to seeking safety for survivors of domestic abuse, and expand avenues for these New Yorkers to access permanent housing that can give them the space to rebuild their independence.”

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Response to Budi (Reply #5)

Wed Jul 22, 2020, 09:26 PM

6. I looked up her bio. Looks pretty solid and she seem to be one of the new

breed of young progressive female politicians. She is around five years older than AOC, so pretty young. She already had a ton of experience in government, working in a district attorney’s office and then on Andrew Cuomo’s legal staff as an assistant. She should be in the vanguard of our party for many years to come, given her age and track record so far.

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #6)

Wed Jul 22, 2020, 10:54 PM

10. A rising star, indeed.

Wouldn't surprise me to see her go further up the ladder.




#newrostrong

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Response to DinahMoeHum (Reply #10)

Wed Jul 22, 2020, 10:59 PM

12. A lot of people complain about the older politicians in our party not making way for younger

ones. No view could be more wrong. We are seeing in real time impressive young Democrats running for and winning office.

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #12)

Thu Jul 23, 2020, 12:33 AM

14. Kinda of "cutting off your nose to spite your face" politics, is more like it.

Gross.

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Response to Budi (Reply #14)

Thu Jul 23, 2020, 04:25 PM

18. I am sort of conflicted.

New people bring in new ideas. People who are generationally younger bring insight of how the future should go. For example, myself as a baby boomer can’t truly imagine how things 50 years from now will look, because I don’t have the generational makeup to have experienced some of the things that will lead to that future. But a person who say is 28 years old should be able to marginally imagine what that future will look like because that person has experienced situations which will morph toward that future.

Seniority is a valuable advantage to have, but if a person has become stale and out of touch, then having a less senior person in place may not be as bad as some would believe. It all is a delicate process and people need to be careful when advocating one approach over the other.

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #12)

Thu Jul 23, 2020, 12:35 AM

15. Alot of people also talk about the older politicians as having no value.

That's the real problem.

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Response to Budi (Reply #15)

Thu Jul 23, 2020, 04:30 PM

20. That is an empty-headed proposition if taken at it's core declaration.

Some old people simply become disinterested and should step aside, but a lot of younger people also suffer from the same affliction.

When I look at a leader, a business person, a politician, a preacher, I look at how effective that person is first. If they are effective, their age is not an issue for me.

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Response to Voltaire2 (Original post)

Thu Jul 23, 2020, 04:27 PM

19. If we couldn't primary incumbents we wouldn't have AOC. nt

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