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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe MoCA is easy and that's the point.
I was reading an article about the MoCA that-Trump took and passed with a 30/30. The MoCA is designed to assess for early stages of Dementia and/or Alzheimer's -- Nothing more.
It is designed to be easy. It is not an IQ test or a full telling of whether someone has cognitive issues or not.
Yes, my elementary aged children could do it and score 30. Because they don't have cognitive issues.
The test covers the following mental abilities: attention and concentration, executive functions, memory, language, visuoconstructional skills, conceptual thinking, calculations and orientation"
For example, the drawing of the clock falls under the category of 'visual spatial/executive'. Date and year are 'orientation'. The camel, elephant and lion are 'naming'.
The MoCA is often administered when there are issues about changes to a will while the person is still alive (see Brooke Astor).
The problem with trump's explanation is that he is trying to make it sound like an IQ test or an entrance exam to Oxford University. You cannot score above 30. 27 is considered, not likely suffering from cognitive issues. But even then, whether you score 27, 19, 30 or 5, it doesn't mean you are or aren't suffering from complete cognitive decline.
You do not get extra points for putting anything in order; you get a score and that's it.
He got 30 points because he could correctly draw a clock, draw a cube, identify an animal, remember 5 words and so on. According to the test, they score for cued and uncued recall.
His getting 30 is not some amazing event that almost no one has achieved. Depending on how you define the last five, by category or actual number, they are not difficult; they are about repeating numbers in a correct order forward and backward (forward is five numbers, backwards is three). Reading a list of letters and tapping your hand every time you say the letter A. Finding similarities with two objects. Repeating short sentences. And knowing the date, year, location.
It is not the great feat Trump makes it out to be in order to pass.
Nevilledog
(51,080 posts)Ms. Toad
(34,065 posts)The top score is 30.
Nevilledog
(51,080 posts)Ms. Toad
(34,065 posts)rpannier
(24,329 posts)Seriously, 30 is the highest score anyone can get
BigmanPigman
(51,584 posts)did he take more than one over the last few years and why, as well as why does he keep bringing it up?
He took the test with Ronnie Jackson 2 1/2 years ago, then in Nov 2019 he suddenly went to the hospital "for a check up" and now he brings up the test, WHY? Did he just take another one for no reason what so ever?
Ms. Toad
(34,065 posts)Jackson has not been his physician since March 28, 2018 - so he is discussing the test he took in January 2018 at his first physical.
He is bringing it up now because his story line about Biden is that Biden has dementia - so he is fixates on the test he took two years ago when people were saying it about him (not being oriented enough to realize how long ago it was), exaggerates his performance (as he does everytime he reflects on what he has done), and doesnt have enough executive functioning to be self-aware that bragging about it only reinforces his lack of executive functioning.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)a Cognitive evaluation is part of our Annual Health Check up. Oh BTW,We both Aced it.
But,what the hell,Donnie of no ethics or morals,would not know the truth if it hit him in his Orange Face.
ThoughtCriminal
(14,047 posts)that he passed it.