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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMy advice to the Democrats if they take control of the Federal government in January.
Dear Democrats,
Should you take complete control of the Federal government in January, you need to act as if you are the sole national party of the U.S. What does that mean? Right now, all Americans are in some stage of crisis, either ill from the disease, unemployed, and/or have no means to send their children to school. What's the Republican response? Nothing. The Republicans have completely abdicated their responsibility to govern this nation. They simply do not care about the people they are supposed to lead.
That means that you have to act unilaterally to address this emergency. Do not seek out bi-partisan support. If you have to kill the filibuster to get help to the American people. Do it. Do not hesitate. Do not concern yourself with budget deficits. If a foreign army had invaded the U.S. and killed 150,000 Americans, we would be writing blank checks to our military. This is the same situation.
Think big to find solutions to this crisis.
onecaliberal
(32,816 posts)Get thee to the greatest...
olegramps
(8,200 posts)The duty of every citizen is to hold accountable every enemy, both foreign and DOMESTIC of the Constitution. Excuse my use of caps to only emphasize the illegality of this administration.
onecaliberal
(32,816 posts)All of them, to the fullest extent possible.
still_one
(92,122 posts)must do eliminate the filibuster.
Next thing is make Washington DC a state. For years we have faced a disadvantage with only two Senators from each state, regardless of size, and this will solve that problem for years to come
After that we undo the destruction of our republican that the republicans have been doing for years
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)I_UndergroundPanther
(12,463 posts)StClone
(11,683 posts)To the full extent of law and available resources. It could look bad. But, it is the right thing and an example must be set. Watergate pardons, Iran contra-gate run around, Bush's illegal war/war crimes and now Trumpism. Time to end it.
soldierant
(6,846 posts)still_one
(92,122 posts)thucythucy
(8,045 posts)that sees a minority party more and more out of step with the vast majority of voters somehow ending up in control of the presidency, the Congress, and the judiciary.
The Democratic candidate for the presidency won the plurality of votes in six out of the past seven elections, and yet the GOP took the White House in three of those elections.
Vast swaths of voters aren't even represented by voting members in Congress, the District of Columbia and Puerto Rico come immediately to mind. There should be an immediate push for statehood for both of them.
There also needs to be some sort of commission set up to examine all the Trump appointments to offices in the executive branch, with the goal of weeding out appointees who are clearly incompetent and even opposed to the goals of their department.
Congress needs to hold hearings on Russian and other foreign influence in our government, on how the COVID relief money was spent, on "faith based initiatives" that have funneled money into racist, homophobic, and misogynist organizations, on right wing infiltration of the police and the military, on the use of paramilitary groups to crush dissent, on the failed response to the pandemic, on the gutting of environmental and civil rights regulations, on the compromising of science at the CDC and elsewhere, and on whatever other atrocities and have committed these past four years.
Investigations also need to be launched into possible illegalities committed by the Trump clan involved in government, including violations of the Hatch Act and the emoluments clause of the Constitution.
Legislation must be passed requiring all presidential candidates to release at least ten years worth of their tax returns.
Legislation must be passed requiring all holders of public office to put their personal business into blind trusts during the length of their terms in office.
And some way must be found to gut the Electoral College's ability to assign presidents regardless of the choice of the voters.
There's more, but this is for starters. If we can get these measures passed we can help insure that the will of the people will be respected going into the future.
Yavin4
(35,433 posts)thucythucy
(8,045 posts)I'm sure there are items i missed, and campaign finance reform is a huge one.
Greybnk48
(10,167 posts)appalachiablue
(41,118 posts)for media and Sherman Anti Trust. The list is enormous..
Demsrule86
(68,543 posts)increasingly desperate Americans...that is our first task...this includes money sent directly to Americans...even the employed many who have taken pay cuts, fixing the ACA , jobs program, investment in manufacturing and other jobs and fix taxes to fund it. I would also increase the SS tax for higher incomes-pay on the entire income. Also fix Wall Street gambling ...first step make them pay payroll taxes on their income. Many support themselves with capital gains income. And lastly, raise the minimum wage which will help the economy.
KPN
(15,642 posts)temporarily replaced with career employees if need be to manage agency operations. Career employees are typically invested and support the mission and fundamental goals of the federal agencies. This is not always the case with appointees tRump appointees being the best (or, in effect mission-wise, worst) example. Can tRump appointees day one.
dixiechiken1
(2,113 posts)I don't believe we need a commission. Dump all of his appointments. Every. Single. One. On day one. We already know what qualification Trump considered necessary for them to be appointed in the first place: loyalty to Trump.
In 3-1/2 years, he hasn't appointed or nominated anyone based on their experience in government or their knowledge of the department to which they were appointed. Let the career government employees continue on and bring those who were unceremoniously "you're fired"-ed (is too a word) back into the fold, if they so choose.
We have got to rebuild our government from the ground up again to undo the damage that shitstain has done. IMO, the first step towards that end is to clean house. Quickly & mercilessly.
geardaddy
(24,926 posts)Dump the Trump Chumps.
BlueMTexpat
(15,366 posts)at ANY LEVEL should go.
There should ALSO be a review of ANY Civil Service employee from Jan 2017-Jan 2021 whose hire was NOT based on merit and qualifications. Unless merit and qualifications can be demonstrated, OUT they go!
I wholeheartedly agree with your statement below:
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This is of absolutely VITAL importance.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)Unfortunately this is due to the fatal flaw in the constitution that empowered the minority. Between the EC and the unalterable requirement for every state to have 2 senators, we are doomed to be ruled to a great degree by the minority. By 2040 roughly 70% of the population will live in just 15 states. That will give them outsized influence on the EC, the senate, and as such the judiciary.
I_UndergroundPanther
(12,463 posts)If Dems control the three branches of the federal government they will have the votes to fix it. Permanently.
I suggest they write thier solution in plain unambiguous language. Without loopholes.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)It's the only feature of the constitution that is exempt from the amendment process. Short of a constitutional convention, there is nothing to be done. The only other option is to bust up large states into numerous small ones, the size of North Dakota.
I_UndergroundPanther
(12,463 posts)Because we cannot allow the minority to have such control over our lives.
It will leave the door open to tyranny. We must close lock and weld that door shut. Even if there are sweeping changes. Maybe we need those changes.
Unless you wanna go through this shit all over again.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)You'd end up with states like "Manhattan", or LA. The population of this country is highly concentrated. 70% of the population currently lives within something like 70 miles of the coast lines.
thucythucy
(8,045 posts)"the senate is unalterable."
Article I, on my reading, only says that each state shall choose two senators. I don't see where it says this cannot be altered by amendment.
Senators were originally elected by state legislatures, not direct state wide elections. That was changed by a constitutional amendment.
Of course, none of the states with outsized power will ever vote to ratify such an amendment (changing how many senators a state gets) but that isn't the same as saying we'd need a whole new constitutional convention.
Admitting Washington DC and Puerto Rico as states would help, adding four more senators to the mix. That would be a start in the right direction.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)Article V (Article 5 - Mode of Amendment)
The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.
thucythucy
(8,045 posts)I looked for it in Article I and obviously didn't find it.
Best wishes.
volstork
(5,399 posts)"There also needs to be some sort of commission set up to examine all the Trump appointments to offices in the executive branch, with the goal of weeding out appointees who are clearly incompetent and even opposed to the goals of their department."
This will be a critical part of the housecleaning that will have long-term repercussions.
KPN
(15,642 posts)and should be. There is absolutely zero rationale for keeping any of the Trump loyalists and few of the entirety of current tRump appointees. Career federal employees can handle agency operations quite well without them. The agencies will return to carrying out their fundamental mission immediately and well all be better off as a result.
volstork
(5,399 posts)that worry me...
KPN
(15,642 posts)easily removed.
47of74
(18,470 posts)And recall our ambassador and all diplomatic staff. Let the Swiss or some other country represent our interests there like they do with Iran now.
fierywoman
(7,681 posts)hackable voting machines.
Pobeka
(4,999 posts)cstanleytech
(26,280 posts)to counter any time soon.
ashling
(25,771 posts)and reset an honored and valuable public service
Nitram
(22,790 posts)I read that people are "worried" Trump might not leave office if he loses the election. WTF! Haul the bum out and toss him onto the sidewalk in front of the White House.
Lonestarblue
(9,969 posts)Somehow I think it will not come to that. If Bidens vote is large enough, the courts will not intervene to save Trump. In January, he will resign so Pence can pardon him and be the one to hand ver the presidency. I dont think Trump can stand what he will see as the humiliation of losing and having to publicly to demonstrate that he he lost and has to move on.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)be great at this. I'm sure she'll advise.
ancianita
(36,019 posts)No more time wasting on bi-partisan work. They either vote with you or they don't.
Fuck all their whining about procedural "rules" or costs. Due to the ruin and death they've brought, ain't nobody got time for all that.
Fuck 'em all.
FoxNewsSucks
(10,429 posts)"YOU FUCKERS HAD YOUR CHANCE, NOW GET THE HELL OUT OF THE WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
They're probably too polite to use that though.
Leith
(7,808 posts)Too polite, that is. I won't even need to practice.
ancianita
(36,019 posts)They'll go first with the whine tactics, then name calling, then tan suit trifling outrage, then tantrums, then guns and "patriot protests." By then the new DOJ should be in full swing.
But, you know, this party can't really stoop to their level. Much as there's a lot of pleasure in that. We need to enjoy all our schadenfreude at the point of winning and the inauguration.
From then on, when we stay focused and on our business, rebuild, get shit done, the public won't fall for any of that 'both sides do it' replay, or their BS hype.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)ancianita
(36,019 posts)No bullshit haggling or stealth insertions.
Let them stew at watching how well Democrats execute governance.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)The assholes who got us into this can go fuck themselves. We don't need to hear from them.
I_UndergroundPanther
(12,463 posts)To do whatever it takes to get rid of the republicans and thier antiamerican policies.
Demsrule86
(68,543 posts)did in 09 when they delayed the ACA and we ended up without the bill we wanted.
bucolic_frolic
(43,123 posts)calimary
(81,207 posts)KPN
(15,642 posts)crickets
(25,960 posts)Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)Think about it.
flying_wahini
(6,589 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,277 posts)that will aggressively prosecute every single one of these bastards. I doubt it will be hard to find crimes committed by every one of them. And if Trump resigns and Pence pardons everybody, assist AGs in states to go after them there. At the very least, get all that are lawyers disbarred. Make their lives a legal living hell. Let this be the motto of the DOJ:
Trump did what he did because Richard Nixon didn't die in prison. Carve it in stone on the front of the building.
Fritz Walter
(4,291 posts)It's small, but not inconsequential:
The Repukes' response has been way more than Nothing.
* They put the interests of Wall Street ahead of Main Street by relaxing the pandemic response so that business could resume. And now, innocent, vulnerable people across our nation are paying a very heavy price. And will continue to do so as long as the lobbyists call the shots; and
* They belittled, demeaned and contradicted Dr. Faucci et al. to the point that the knuckle-dragging AM-radio audience-members are threatening him and his family. The person in Florida previously charged with tracking cases, deaths, etc. was removed from her position for telling the truth. And now, we're peaking in cases and running out of hospital ICU beds. Who knows how many others are being persecuted because the Cowardly-Lyin' Traitor is worried about his re-election?
I could go on and on, but I think you get the point.
Any elected Repukes that survive November 3 better wake up and smell what they've been shoveling.
Good post! Thank you!
theaocp
(4,235 posts)Democrats wont do it. They will try to reach out.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)I_UndergroundPanther
(12,463 posts)She reaches out to republicans assuming they are capable of caring she sells short the American people.
Do not negotiate with right wing sociopaths seeking to destroy dems.and our country.
Catch2.2
(629 posts)Dems need to take action!
Sogo
(4,986 posts)Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,500 posts)down. Because they would do much worse if the situation was reversed. Make that "party" shrink until it's small enough to drown in Grover Norquist's bidet.
Many, including myself, have been saying for some time, Dems cannot work with the Republicans on anything beneficial to the country and its people. You can't. They have no interest and deem such things detrimental to their own success. I say, fuck them. Ram it down their damn throats. As we've seen with the ACA, once Americans enjoy the benefit of good policy, one can't take it away from them without committing political suicide.
MichMan
(11,907 posts)Each household of two or more would automatically receive $120k per year for living.
cstanleytech
(26,280 posts)they had better go whole hog and do some other major changes.
For example SCOTUS should be changed to 27 seats packed with young progressive judges no older than 40 max.
Second would be a massive infrastructure bill as well as major education spending and national healthcare program.
Not to mention redoing the entire tax system so the wealthy and corporations start actually paying their fair share rather than the majority of the burden being placed on the poor and middle class most of whom are probably tired of surviving on crumbs.
BigDemVoter
(4,149 posts)Who gives one FUCK what the repigs think or want? I am NOT interested. Fuck them. Just roll right over everything they ask for. Anything they want, the answer should either be silence or NO.
SayItLoud
(1,702 posts)Hold accountable those who need to be held accountable and show America and the world that tRUMP and the #trumpcrimefamily is NOT above the law.
c-rational
(2,590 posts)infrastructure, and education. Tax the wealthy and bring back a 70% tax rate for the rich. no limit on SS tax payments, enlarge SCOTUS, reform bills galore and go after all the dotard henchmen like our lives depended on it,as it does.
HootieMcBoob
(3,823 posts)I was thinking the same thing that Michael Moore said last night on Joy Reid's show.
He said that Biden should start behaving, right now, as if he's the President.
Saying what he would do ... etc.
The country needs to know that there's somebody in control or at least the potential for control by someone who is sane and actually has plans on what needs to be done right now. Trump and the Republicans as you've said have managed in every way to make a bad situation inconceivably worse.
Trump started acting like President the day after election day. Biden should start behaving like the President right now.
Daily chats and reassurances about what can and will be done to help.
Miigwech
(3,741 posts)All the co-conspirators need to be rounded up for crimes against the American people, the Constitution and War Crimes ... corruption cases could come later.
ChazInAz
(2,564 posts)A lot of passports should be pulled immediately.
We want Trump and his cronies to stay right here, where we can get to them.
TNNurse
(6,926 posts)All the cabinet and significant positions should be announced, the jobs determined so that on that January day, they can go to work. It should be an abbreviated swearing in ceremony, and celebration. This is the time to start correcting the damage that has been done.
Biden has a huge pool of experienced, competent and patriotic people to put to work.
WyattKansas
(1,648 posts)Publish all unclassified (Not Dumbass' standard) records over the internet, so that their followers can see for themselves and can never deny it. Make sure every American knows who all sold out this country. Now, if Members of Congress and Senate are incriminated in those records, then so be it... In other words, immediately show all Americans how many Republicans really are what they claim to be. Give none of them any cover whatsoever!
warmfeet
(3,321 posts)I hope our elected leaders can take these items to heart.
jmowreader
(50,552 posts)There's a huge justification for adding a shitload of new federal judges beyond "we need to dilute Trump's stranglehold over the judiciary" (which is also necessary)...right now, there is more business for the federal courts than they have time to do. We could triple the size of the bench and it still wouldn't be enough, but doing that would definitely dilute the Trump judges' power to ruin people's lives.
We should also look hard at the capital gains tax. The supposed justification is that it encourages people to invest in new and better ideas and methods...in reality, holding stock long enough for it to fall into CGT territory is very, very rare. The CGT has become a preferential tax rate for people who can afford to wait two years to cash their paychecks. I would be very willing to trade a 5 percent CGT on actual investment for taxing the gain of stock bought with incentive stock options at the same rate as ordinary income.
Next, I want a law that says any politician who sponsors a tax cut bill while the deficit is over $200 billion should be kicked out of Congress and pilloried for three days in front of the building as a warning to the rest of them.
Fix the anti-nepotism laws so the next president can't name his own children as his official advisors.
ancianita
(36,019 posts)Skittles
(153,142 posts)do NOT waste a couple of years trying to play footsie with repukes like the last one did
47of74
(18,470 posts)None of this reaching across the aisle bullshit. You go in and you get every Fuckmuppet Republican in the joint. Bipartisanship makes you only look like weak fucking cowards. You smash them so fucking hard Hannity and his ilk scream for peace but you tell them to fuck off.
captain queeg
(10,157 posts)certainot
(9,090 posts)tiptonic
(765 posts)But I think a foreign army is already here. Looking for a Russian dictionary now.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,105 posts)tinymontgomery
(2,584 posts)Issue a Executive Order stating all of Trumps Executive Orders are canceled or some such
wording..
nwliberalkiwi
(367 posts)All votes in the United States should be fifty percent plus one. No more 60% or higher votes to pass. The minority (Republicans) should not disenfranchise the majority!!!
NNadir
(33,512 posts)A sane opposition, that is.
paul91046
(11 posts)get rid of the fucking filibuster rule and deal with whatever consequences that may, hypothetically, arise IF the scum, traitor republicans ever took power again. frankly, i don't see it for a generation...as long as people witnessing their destruction of the country are alive. next...make Puerto Rico and Washington D.C. states....maybe Guam, Virgin Islands. And then make ALL national
parks free like they were before reagan started fucking over the poor. Then get on with the business of trying to repair the damage these traitors have done....health care; covid-19; climate change...
gopiscrap
(23,747 posts)mahina
(17,641 posts)Aloha.
DFW
(54,338 posts)This has nothing to with payback, and everything to do with damage control. The Republicans have either stood consciously by or actively participated in the willful destruction of our nation's economy, our world standing, our preparedness to handle emergencies, our national infrastructure and our whole system of justice.
Prosecute and incarcerate the guilty, such as Barr, McConnell, Wolf, Trump, Gaetz and a LOT of etc. No mercy in sentencing, à la Don Siegelman.
Marginalize the enablers who kept themselves just this side of committing felonies, and ignore those who are still in a position to vote for measures that damage us as a nation.
"Against all enemies, foreign and domestic." The term "domestic" was included in the oath for a reason, stemming from the Civil War, and addressing those who would endanger the country for their own narrow interests. I dare say, we've had more than a little of that since January 20, 2017.
captain queeg
(10,157 posts)No niceness or fairness. Let them taste their own medicine. The people are ready for it, dont hold back.
oldsoftie
(12,529 posts)Making rule changes that benefit you NOW will likely come back to bite you in the ass later when you're no longer in the majority.
Maybe as early as 2022.
But hey, both sides always act like when they get in power they'll NEVER lose it again.
Yavin4
(35,433 posts)In a normal functioning US Senate, the filibuster makes sense if both parties are actively trying to govern the nation and leading it through a crisis, but we don't have a functioning Senate. We don't have a Republican interested in governing. We have a Republican party who just wants to cut taxes, de-regulate, and appoint right wing judges. That's it. That's all.
Leaving the filibuster in place gives the Republican a huge weapon to slow down or stop any response to the crisis or the economic situation. Our government is too dysfunctional to proceed as normal.
oldsoftie
(12,529 posts)And when the GOP took control, they took full advantage of the change & made it worse. When The Dems take the Senate, if they make MORE changes, they'll be taken full advantage of by the NEXT GOP Senate. Who knows when it will be, but it will happen.
Yavin4
(35,433 posts)Last edited Sat Jul 25, 2020, 10:09 PM - Edit history (1)
If the Dems do not get the virus under control and the economy stabilized in 9 mos. or so after taking power, this country will collapse. We cannot go on much longer in this current situation. We cannot sustain this economy with double digit UE. People will start defaulting and those defaults will have cascading effects.
It won't matter who or what takes the next congress if the Dems fail.
oldsoftie
(12,529 posts)Maybe not, but the quickest a vaccine has ever been developed is 4 yrs i think.
I'm hoping most people will come to their senses and start masking up like the countries that have the fewest cases
maxrandb
(15,319 posts)Just for a little while... you know... enforcing federal environmental laws, firearms laws, etc
I want the old fucking racist in their Medicare provided my scooters to find out what tear gas tastes like.
47of74
(18,470 posts)I've fucking had it with these old racist fucksticks and they need to feel some of the same oppression they've been visiting on others for centuries now.
meadowlander
(4,394 posts)and don't stop until the US government has disgorged, tried and imprisoned every Trump croney or enabler who sanctioned or participated in illegal activities.
There's no moving on until justice is served or we're going to end up right back here again in four or eight years.
47of74
(18,470 posts)And make it clear that it will be used for any government employee all the way up to the top who is found guilty of committing treason.
CrispyQ
(36,454 posts)and I mean BOLD! I hope the old guard dems have that in them, but I already see reaching across the aisle by giving a spot at our national convention to an anti-choice, white, republican male. If Biden thinks repubs in congress are going to work with him because he has history with some of them, then he's naïve.
I see a cycle in this country. The repubs are allowed to drive us into a ditch, & then the dems are given four, maybe eight years to get the car back on the road, and we better fix it good and we better fix it fast, or we put the repubs back in the drivers seat, where they drive us into a ditch again. If we don't go BOLD, we will repeat this cycle, only next time we might not be able to pull the car out of the ditch, assuming we can pull it out this time. I hate that I'm a pessimist, but I don't see how we don't have an unprecedented economic disaster coming our way.
Yavin4
(35,433 posts)Republicans stall and delay progress, and then during the next mid-terms, they re-take control because the Dems haven't done anything.
CrispyQ
(36,454 posts)zentrum
(9,865 posts).Moms and Dad's, in other words.
Ligyron
(7,624 posts)There it is, right there.
...Truth.
quakerboy
(13,919 posts)I do believe if you check the record, you will find that its already been announced that "they" will need to be included and onboard at all steps.
Also.. assuming that we are allowed to vote, and that we make a clean sweep in the senate and presidency... Expect justice Roberts to start ruling hard right with a lot of rapidfire 5-4 decisions designed to hamstring the power and progress of the legislative and executive branches as much as possible
GETPLANING
(846 posts)Which is to think they can work with an opposition party whose only goal is to destroy them.
paul91046
(11 posts)filibuster first...may not even need to. i can see 60+ dem senate seats if election is legit. then... make puerto rico and DC states (can they do that???); then make all national parks free (quit fucking over the poor); then pass a law saying that if you vote for war, you (and/or your children) go first. then get to work on health care; climate change; police misconduct (misconduct---such a nice word.)