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Dancing in the street with flowers. Hauled away by Gestapo. 7/24/2020. America (Original Post) Grasswire2 Jul 2020 OP
Fucking lowlife bastards bluestarone Jul 2020 #1
OMG. God, or whatever, please help us. DonaldsRump Jul 2020 #2
Apparently dancing with flowers is a federal offense. alwaysinasnit Jul 2020 #3
Or maybe they were afraid she would start throwing them at the federal buildiing. pazzyanne Jul 2020 #16
This is Trump's "Dominating the streets" DSandra Jul 2020 #4
This needs to be dealt with immediately. jaysunb Jul 2020 #5
Just an excuse for them to shoot off how many rounds? chia Jul 2020 #6
Fucking scum I_UndergroundPanther Jul 2020 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author marie999 Jul 2020 #8
It's not that clear. Grasswire2 Jul 2020 #9
Nazi's would have liked you. triron Jul 2020 #14
AGREE bluestarone Jul 2020 #20
Right? Bettie Jul 2020 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author marie999 Jul 2020 #40
Well, report me to the Bettie Jul 2020 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author marie999 Jul 2020 #44
Would a "reasonable person" have feared for their safety in that situation? Wednesdays Jul 2020 #19
I thought I was the only one who thought that. WyattKansas Jul 2020 #25
I agree. Talitha Jul 2020 #26
She was clearly taunting the "officers." However, that is not probable cause for an arrest. TomSlick Jul 2020 #29
I'm not 'excusing' or 'empowering' anything. Talitha Jul 2020 #30
Not everyone is cut out to be a police officer. I have a much too short a fuse for the job. TomSlick Jul 2020 #31
Yeah, I know. Talitha Jul 2020 #32
classy! nt USALiberal Jul 2020 #39
I suggest you watch again. TomSlick Jul 2020 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author marie999 Jul 2020 #34
Confirmation bias is a strong force. We tend to see things in such a way as to confirm our biases. TomSlick Jul 2020 #41
This message was self-deleted by its author marie999 Jul 2020 #42
I saw her dancing behind the "law enforcement agent" taunting him. TomSlick Jul 2020 #45
fuck off fascist SiliconValley_Dem Jul 2020 #33
Bookmarking. n/t rzemanfl Jul 2020 #36
And how many blocks away from the federal property Lars39 Jul 2020 #38
They will pay for this shit if it takes the last breath I have. warmfeet Jul 2020 #10
Are these Prince's goons? luvtheGWN Jul 2020 #13
There's a 60s photo of a girl puting the stem of a long flower into a cop's/soldier's gun barrel, bobbieinok Jul 2020 #11
WE can be the flower in the gun. The song inspired me duhneece Jul 2020 #15
Thank you for video. Comment #17 is a response bobbieinok Jul 2020 #18
The photo is extremely famous and is titled 'Flower power bobbieinok Jul 2020 #17
Kudos to the young man Toorich Jul 2020 #12
So depressed here bluestarone Jul 2020 #21
This is what dictatorships look like. Listen to those who Enoki33 Jul 2020 #22
Well, she was openly brandishing pistils caraher Jul 2020 #23
*snort* crickets Jul 2020 #27
Oink! LudwigPastorius Jul 2020 #24
Fucking fascists malaise Jul 2020 #37

pazzyanne

(6,546 posts)
16. Or maybe they were afraid she would start throwing them at the federal buildiing.
Fri Jul 24, 2020, 08:12 PM
Jul 2020


What happens is disgusting and terrifying.

jaysunb

(11,856 posts)
5. This needs to be dealt with immediately.
Fri Jul 24, 2020, 06:26 PM
Jul 2020

We can't let a a few assholes take over this Country. Stop yelling and kick some ass.

Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Grasswire2

(13,565 posts)
9. It's not that clear.
Fri Jul 24, 2020, 07:30 PM
Jul 2020

Were the officers on federal property when that happened? That is their mandate. Protect federal property.

I don't believe they were on federal property, because that property is fenced and not accessible. No protesters would be able to access it.

And so we must deduce that these "gestapo" (they aren't really "officers" but rather hired mercenaries) were on city property. Public property.

Not their job to manage public property.

Bettie

(16,083 posts)
35. Right?
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 08:55 AM
Jul 2020

What's next..."make sure you report your neighbors if they are uncomplimentary or critical of dear leader!"?

Response to Bettie (Reply #35)

Bettie

(16,083 posts)
43. Well, report me to the
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 12:44 PM
Jul 2020

topic police then. I'd recommend the "tangent squad". LOL.

NO one EVER goes off topic!

Response to Bettie (Reply #43)

WyattKansas

(1,648 posts)
25. I thought I was the only one who thought that.
Fri Jul 24, 2020, 09:31 PM
Jul 2020

Very simple for protesters to understand that they are not allowed to touch them and when they retreat, do not follow them trying to escalate anything.

Talitha

(6,579 posts)
26. I agree.
Fri Jul 24, 2020, 11:46 PM
Jul 2020

From my seat, it doesn't look like the woman was innocently 'dancing with flowers'. To me it looks like she was trying to taunt them and to their credit, they walked away.

But then she followed them... you don't do that. They were all ignoring her except the one who stopped her as she came at him with arms extended.

Her momentum is why she went down. The guy took her arm to stop her from advancing but she spun to her to her right, lost her balance, and went down on her ass.

Then a few people from the crowd rushed in. Maybe to help her get up? Hard to tell because of that 'shield' someone had. Then the confrontation started.

She should have blended back into the crowd and let the goonsquad leave. But instead, she pranced around like she was in a silly Monty Python skit and started some trouble. Sheesh.

TomSlick

(11,096 posts)
29. She was clearly taunting the "officers." However, that is not probable cause for an arrest.
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 12:14 AM
Jul 2020

She was criminally assaulted and kidnapped by "officers" who were either untrained or emotionally unfit for policing in a tense environment.

Excusing the paramilitary take over of our streets empowers creeping fascism.

Talitha

(6,579 posts)
30. I'm not 'excusing' or 'empowering' anything.
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 12:36 AM
Jul 2020

And I don't agree with these guys being forced into our cities, either.

However - THIS particular incident could easily have been avoided if, as I said, she had dropped back into the crowd and let the goonsquad leave.

Instead, she did a few really stupid things and caused the incident.

So yeah - THIS ONE is on her.

TomSlick

(11,096 posts)
31. Not everyone is cut out to be a police officer. I have a much too short a fuse for the job.
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 12:53 AM
Jul 2020

Someone who reacts like this to a woman dancing with flowers has no business policing during protests. If an "officer" cannot hold himself to a higher standard than members of the public he is sworn to protect, he should find another occupation.

There was no probable cause for her arrest. Therefore, her arrest was nothing short of a kidnapping. "Disappearing" protesters has no place in this country.

Law and order requires the rule of law - not the rule by law enforcement but the rule of law. The rule of law requires the insistence by the public that officials respect the rule of law.

Silence is acquiescence. Excusing illegality empowers it.

TomSlick

(11,096 posts)
28. I suggest you watch again.
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 12:09 AM
Jul 2020

At 26 seconds, one of these "officers" grabbed her - not the other way around.

I will grant you that she was taunting them but she poised no threat. Contempt of cop is not a crime in this country. An "officer" not sufficiently trained and capable of bearing taunting by a dancing woman carrying flowers has no business on the streets in a tense situation.

You are correct that there should be consequences for the actions seen on the video. The "officers" should be charged with assault and kidnapping.

Response to TomSlick (Reply #28)

TomSlick

(11,096 posts)
41. Confirmation bias is a strong force. We tend to see things in such a way as to confirm our biases.
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 11:56 AM
Jul 2020

After years of practicing law, i have learned to recognize my biases and work to see both sides of the case.

In this case, I expected to see secret police sent to "dominate the streets" to do exactly that. That is why watched the video several times to see something - anything - that created probable cause for the assault and detention of the dancer. I could find none.

I hope that you recognize your biases, whatever they are, and try to watch the video with those biases in mind.



Response to TomSlick (Reply #41)

TomSlick

(11,096 posts)
45. I saw her dancing behind the "law enforcement agent" taunting him.
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 01:21 PM
Jul 2020

I then saw the "law enforcement agent" turn and assault here.

The recent history of military intelligence interrogation units does not suggest a high level of training in concern for human rights.

I suppose it is all a matter of perspective.

Lars39

(26,108 posts)
38. And how many blocks away from the federal property
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 09:08 AM
Jul 2020

should protesters be inconvenienced by these representatives of the federal government.

luvtheGWN

(1,336 posts)
13. Are these Prince's goons?
Fri Jul 24, 2020, 07:50 PM
Jul 2020

My nephew's son was a US Marine. He left after 6 years and was offered a job with Blackwater (or whatever the name is now). $250K/year. He talked to some former buddies who warned him "Don't do it. These guys are mean jerks. You don't want to have anything to do with them". Fortunately my grand (or is it great?) nephew had a job waiting for him in his father's construction firm -- but he had buddies who joined Prince's goons.

bobbieinok

(12,858 posts)
11. There's a 60s photo of a girl puting the stem of a long flower into a cop's/soldier's gun barrel,
Fri Jul 24, 2020, 07:39 PM
Jul 2020

As far as I remember, she wasn't arrested.

60s protestors faced less danger/harm than those today?

There might be some truth to that claim.

At least cops of 60s DID NOT HAVE military-grade weapons and vehicles. As yet, few were ex-military

bobbieinok

(12,858 posts)
17. The photo is extremely famous and is titled 'Flower power
Fri Jul 24, 2020, 08:22 PM
Jul 2020

There is an article about the photo, its history, the photographpher at Wikipedia.

I didn't realize how famous it is. I simply remembered seeing the photo at the time

The best depiction I could find on the internet is at magnumphotos.com/newsroom/

Not--this info is in response to the comment with the video of the song.

Toorich

(391 posts)
12. Kudos to the young man
Fri Jul 24, 2020, 07:41 PM
Jul 2020

who jumped in and tried to help her. This shit makes me wish there was still stocks in town squares.
The ACLU or some firebrand lawyers need to set up a table and sign up every victim of these kidnappings
and flood the federal courthouse with civil rights lawsuits and if Discovery showed it was all a big plan, amend the pleadings
to a RICO petition.

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