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(16,894 posts)DonaldsRump
(7,715 posts)alwaysinasnit
(5,063 posts)pazzyanne
(6,546 posts)What happens is disgusting and terrifying.
DSandra
(999 posts)And I guess Trump gets to make his own laws now...
jaysunb
(11,856 posts)We can't let a a few assholes take over this Country. Stop yelling and kick some ass.
chia
(2,244 posts)I_UndergroundPanther
(12,462 posts)With guns,needs a hard Swift kick in the nuts accidently on purpose..
Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)
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Grasswire2
(13,565 posts)Were the officers on federal property when that happened? That is their mandate. Protect federal property.
I don't believe they were on federal property, because that property is fenced and not accessible. No protesters would be able to access it.
And so we must deduce that these "gestapo" (they aren't really "officers" but rather hired mercenaries) were on city property. Public property.
Not their job to manage public property.
triron
(21,988 posts)bluestarone
(16,894 posts)100%
What's next..."make sure you report your neighbors if they are uncomplimentary or critical of dear leader!"?
Response to Bettie (Reply #35)
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Bettie
(16,083 posts)topic police then. I'd recommend the "tangent squad". LOL.
NO one EVER goes off topic!
Response to Bettie (Reply #43)
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Wednesdays
(17,331 posts)WyattKansas
(1,648 posts)Very simple for protesters to understand that they are not allowed to touch them and when they retreat, do not follow them trying to escalate anything.
From my seat, it doesn't look like the woman was innocently 'dancing with flowers'. To me it looks like she was trying to taunt them and to their credit, they walked away.
But then she followed them... you don't do that. They were all ignoring her except the one who stopped her as she came at him with arms extended.
Her momentum is why she went down. The guy took her arm to stop her from advancing but she spun to her to her right, lost her balance, and went down on her ass.
Then a few people from the crowd rushed in. Maybe to help her get up? Hard to tell because of that 'shield' someone had. Then the confrontation started.
She should have blended back into the crowd and let the goonsquad leave. But instead, she pranced around like she was in a silly Monty Python skit and started some trouble. Sheesh.
TomSlick
(11,096 posts)She was criminally assaulted and kidnapped by "officers" who were either untrained or emotionally unfit for policing in a tense environment.
Excusing the paramilitary take over of our streets empowers creeping fascism.
Talitha
(6,579 posts)And I don't agree with these guys being forced into our cities, either.
However - THIS particular incident could easily have been avoided if, as I said, she had dropped back into the crowd and let the goonsquad leave.
Instead, she did a few really stupid things and caused the incident.
So yeah - THIS ONE is on her.
TomSlick
(11,096 posts)Someone who reacts like this to a woman dancing with flowers has no business policing during protests. If an "officer" cannot hold himself to a higher standard than members of the public he is sworn to protect, he should find another occupation.
There was no probable cause for her arrest. Therefore, her arrest was nothing short of a kidnapping. "Disappearing" protesters has no place in this country.
Law and order requires the rule of law - not the rule by law enforcement but the rule of law. The rule of law requires the insistence by the public that officials respect the rule of law.
Silence is acquiescence. Excusing illegality empowers it.
Talitha
(6,579 posts)USALiberal
(10,877 posts)TomSlick
(11,096 posts)At 26 seconds, one of these "officers" grabbed her - not the other way around.
I will grant you that she was taunting them but she poised no threat. Contempt of cop is not a crime in this country. An "officer" not sufficiently trained and capable of bearing taunting by a dancing woman carrying flowers has no business on the streets in a tense situation.
You are correct that there should be consequences for the actions seen on the video. The "officers" should be charged with assault and kidnapping.
Response to TomSlick (Reply #28)
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TomSlick
(11,096 posts)After years of practicing law, i have learned to recognize my biases and work to see both sides of the case.
In this case, I expected to see secret police sent to "dominate the streets" to do exactly that. That is why watched the video several times to see something - anything - that created probable cause for the assault and detention of the dancer. I could find none.
I hope that you recognize your biases, whatever they are, and try to watch the video with those biases in mind.
Response to TomSlick (Reply #41)
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TomSlick
(11,096 posts)I then saw the "law enforcement agent" turn and assault here.
The recent history of military intelligence interrogation units does not suggest a high level of training in concern for human rights.
I suppose it is all a matter of perspective.
SiliconValley_Dem
(1,656 posts)rzemanfl
(29,556 posts)Lars39
(26,108 posts)should protesters be inconvenienced by these representatives of the federal government.
warmfeet
(3,321 posts)Fuck the gestapo!
luvtheGWN
(1,336 posts)My nephew's son was a US Marine. He left after 6 years and was offered a job with Blackwater (or whatever the name is now). $250K/year. He talked to some former buddies who warned him "Don't do it. These guys are mean jerks. You don't want to have anything to do with them". Fortunately my grand (or is it great?) nephew had a job waiting for him in his father's construction firm -- but he had buddies who joined Prince's goons.
bobbieinok
(12,858 posts)As far as I remember, she wasn't arrested.
60s protestors faced less danger/harm than those today?
There might be some truth to that claim.
At least cops of 60s DID NOT HAVE military-grade weapons and vehicles. As yet, few were ex-military
duhneece
(4,110 posts)bobbieinok
(12,858 posts)bobbieinok
(12,858 posts)There is an article about the photo, its history, the photographpher at Wikipedia.
I didn't realize how famous it is. I simply remembered seeing the photo at the time
The best depiction I could find on the internet is at magnumphotos.com/newsroom/
Not--this info is in response to the comment with the video of the song.
Toorich
(391 posts)who jumped in and tried to help her. This shit makes me wish there was still stocks in town squares.
The ACLU or some firebrand lawyers need to set up a table and sign up every victim of these kidnappings
and flood the federal courthouse with civil rights lawsuits and if Discovery showed it was all a big plan, amend the pleadings
to a RICO petition.
bluestarone
(16,894 posts)Is there NO WAY to discover who these assholes are?
Enoki33
(1,587 posts)have personally experienced it.
caraher
(6,278 posts)They were in danger of having their feelings hurt.
crickets
(25,959 posts)LudwigPastorius
(9,126 posts)oink, oinkoink, OINK!!
malaise
(268,844 posts)I hate them