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How can anyone be undecided? I really can't understand that (Original Post) still_one Jul 2020 OP
They aren't. They're full of shit. They always are. Orrex Jul 2020 #1
I think you analysis is correct still_one Jul 2020 #6
+1 Nevilledog Jul 2020 #26
I hate interviews with these so-called undecideds. betsuni Jul 2020 #27
Yep. dalton99a Jul 2020 #31
That's been my experience as well Bettie Jul 2020 #33
Yes, you've stated it nicely. Orrex Jul 2020 #43
Well keep in mind that some people find dementia tests really hard. unblock Jul 2020 #2
Problem is, there always are. The solution is to kindly... JoeOtterbein Jul 2020 #3
If anyone needs to be convinced, coddled, spoon fed and wooed to make the right choice... sheshe2 Jul 2020 #14
I think they want attention. They want to be validated. It's a WASTE OF TIME. Instead... NurseJackie Jul 2020 #29
+1 sheshe2 Jul 2020 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author sheshe2 Jul 2020 #36
+1000. We need to know when to cut bait. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2020 #42
+1000. I have yet to hear the Justice Democrats or Our Revolution PAC attempt to woo anyone ehrnst Jul 2020 #40
JD and OR have no need to woo anyone. sheshe2 Jul 2020 #41
Exactly, she.. Well Done! If anyone needs "convincing" at thiis Cha Jul 2020 #44
Some ain't admitting they love trump. A few hope trump miraculously Hoyt Jul 2020 #4
Count "undecided" people as Trump votes. They are too embarrassed to admit it. RockRaven Jul 2020 #5
That is what concerns me also still_one Jul 2020 #7
If not Trump it will be third party or sit it out and pout. sheshe2 Jul 2020 #15
Yikes! NurseJackie Jul 2020 #38
"which way the wind blows" type of people JI7 Jul 2020 #8
I was thinking the same thing tonight. I don't see how anyone can compare Biden and Trump and still Arkansas Granny Jul 2020 #9
and as others have alluded to in this thread, that makes this election much closer then we like still_one Jul 2020 #11
I'm afraid people will get complacent with all the polls favoring Biden. We need every vote Arkansas Granny Jul 2020 #13
same here still_one Jul 2020 #19
Well, y'know, on the one hand, we've got this incompetent boob who's destroying our alliances, struggle4progress Jul 2020 #10
Many of the undecideds may be Trump cult members who are waking up gristy Jul 2020 #12
undecideds are the "but her emails" crowd Yavin4 Jul 2020 #16
I have made several comments here, still_one. sheshe2 Jul 2020 #17
I understand still_one Jul 2020 #20
;) sheshe2 Jul 2020 #22
lol still_one Jul 2020 #23
It is always amazing to me that people on a political discussion board former9thward Jul 2020 #18
After the last 3.5 years and everything that has happened I think this is a little more than just still_one Jul 2020 #21
This isn't just about politics. sheshe2 Jul 2020 #24
Kick sheshe2 Jul 2020 #25
Some people are not into making commitments. brer cat Jul 2020 #28
Why is it so difficult to understand that they love Trump Edwcraig Jul 2020 #30
Many call themselves libertarians dalton99a Jul 2020 #32
Many of them don't pay attention to politics at all Generic Brad Jul 2020 #34
I have seen recent articles that edhopper Jul 2020 #37
My guess is the few that can't stand Trump, but don't like the protests and love the police Polybius Jul 2020 #39
I have trouble believing that there are true undecided voters out there Gothmog Jul 2020 #45
No word yet on what the 2016 Jill Stein types will do in 2020, lapucelle Jul 2020 #46

Orrex

(63,208 posts)
1. They aren't. They're full of shit. They always are.
Fri Jul 24, 2020, 10:21 PM
Jul 2020

Every "undecided" person that I've ever known has voted consistently Republican or right-leaning Independent (or Libertarian, if they're completely fucking stupid).

Pretending to be undecided lets them imagine that they're special or enlightened, or that they've seen the big picture while the rest of us fools "blindly" follow the leader.

If someone tells you they're undecided, ask how they voted the last few cycles. You might get blips now and then, but they're either lying outright or they're Republicans afraid to admit it.

betsuni

(25,483 posts)
27. I hate interviews with these so-called undecideds.
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 12:40 AM
Jul 2020

It's all bullshit.

I just watched a couple of documentaries (one about Roger Stone) and had to relive the 2016 election. The enormous amounts and poor quality of the bullshit that year is incredible. People like Stone who used that anti-elitist, anti-establishment bullshit to trick naive people should burn in heck.

At least this year we don't have to hear that damn word "establishment" used as some sort of paranoid conspiracy theory every five seconds.

Bettie

(16,095 posts)
33. That's been my experience as well
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 08:47 AM
Jul 2020

also, those people who say "Well, I don't really like/approve of Trump, but I don't know if I can vote for a Democrat"...they voted for Trump and will do it again, because they DO approve of and like him they just don't want to say so because they know how it makes them look.

They get that it shows who they really are.

I'm done with even the Trumpers I'm related to. Just done. If they think that he's 'doing a good job', then they are on a very, very different page in terms of basic morality than I am. I just can't with this.

Orrex

(63,208 posts)
43. Yes, you've stated it nicely.
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 09:51 PM
Jul 2020
they voted for Trump and will do it again, because they DO approve of and like him they just don't want to say so because they know how it makes them look.

They get that it shows who they really are


Absolutely spot on!

When I hear about these so-called "remorseful" Republicans who regret their Trump vote, I'm confident that more than 99% of them only regret being made to feel like the idiot racist fuckheads that they are. They don't regret their vote nearly as much as they regret being called out for it.

And I want these remorseful souls to put it in writing; sign a contract that they'll never again vote for a Republican or Right-leaning candidate, because will otherwise pull the red lever again as soon as they get the chance. And afterwards they'll almost certainly express remorse again. And then vote Republican again.

JoeOtterbein

(7,700 posts)
3. Problem is, there always are. The solution is to kindly...
Fri Jul 24, 2020, 10:22 PM
Jul 2020

...convince them otherwise.

Great work is never easy work.

sheshe2

(83,751 posts)
14. If anyone needs to be convinced, coddled, spoon fed and wooed to make the right choice...
Fri Jul 24, 2020, 11:12 PM
Jul 2020

If anyone needs to be convinced, coddled, spoon fed and wooed to make the right choice at this time is beyond me. A vote for anyone other than our Democratic candidate here and now is enabling Trump to commit genocide while setting us up for fascist rule.

Forget a green new deal, forgo SSI and Medicare, equality and civil rights you will condemn our children and grandchildren to a very bleak future. This is our last chance. Clock is ticking. Tick Toc.

Wake Up America.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
29. I think they want attention. They want to be validated. It's a WASTE OF TIME. Instead...
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 08:26 AM
Jul 2020

I think they want attention. They want to be validated. It's a WASTE OF TIME. Instead... our efforts are better spent in getting NEW and FIRST TIME voters to the polls. We're better off helping people to register and making sure their registration info is current.

You could spend five hours trying to convince ONE "Sarandonesque" voter that Biden is the best choice (and still not have guaranteed results). In fact they'd probably "write in" the name of someone that has NO chance of winning.

But, if you simply ignore that particular voter and concentrate the same amount of effort elsewhere, it's possible to get dozens of voters to support Biden and to join the Democratic Party.

Response to NurseJackie (Reply #29)

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
40. +1000. I have yet to hear the Justice Democrats or Our Revolution PAC attempt to woo anyone
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 04:32 PM
Jul 2020

just attempts to bully or shame anyone who doesn't agree lockstep with them.

HRC and Biden were/are vilified by them for "pandering" when they did reach out, once they were the candidate.

sheshe2

(83,751 posts)
41. JD and OR have no need to woo anyone.
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 04:48 PM
Jul 2020

They want a select tent filled with those of their choosing. No others need apply.

Frankly their track record with their chosen flock is, IMHO a huge fail.

Cha

(297,190 posts)
44. Exactly, she.. Well Done! If anyone needs "convincing" at thiis
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 01:25 AM
Jul 2020

point in history.. they have NOT been paying Attention to what the Hell is going on around them Or they're deluged with RW Propaganda.

How do we deprogram them?

Pay Attention to REALITY, Undecideds.

Between the Death of America & the Planet.. or The Chance to Save Our Democracy?! Tough fucking Choice.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
4. Some ain't admitting they love trump. A few hope trump miraculously
Fri Jul 24, 2020, 10:23 PM
Jul 2020

redeems himself.

But, yeah, when the “undecided” are roughly what Biden leads by, I get worried.

RockRaven

(14,966 posts)
5. Count "undecided" people as Trump votes. They are too embarrassed to admit it.
Fri Jul 24, 2020, 10:23 PM
Jul 2020

Or they are so ignorant or dumb that they will fall for the inevitable bullshit October Surprise.

JI7

(89,248 posts)
8. "which way the wind blows" type of people
Fri Jul 24, 2020, 10:29 PM
Jul 2020

These people are not that informed but like to consider themselves above partisan politics.

In the end they just vote based on "which way the wind blows" . whatever they feel is popular when they are voting.

Arkansas Granny

(31,515 posts)
9. I was thinking the same thing tonight. I don't see how anyone can compare Biden and Trump and still
Fri Jul 24, 2020, 10:30 PM
Jul 2020

wonder which one would be the better President.

still_one

(92,187 posts)
11. and as others have alluded to in this thread, that makes this election much closer then we like
Fri Jul 24, 2020, 10:36 PM
Jul 2020

to think


Arkansas Granny

(31,515 posts)
13. I'm afraid people will get complacent with all the polls favoring Biden. We need every vote
Fri Jul 24, 2020, 11:00 PM
Jul 2020

to make this a landslide. I'm not usually a vindictive person, but I want Trump to be totally humiliated.

struggle4progress

(118,282 posts)
10. Well, y'know, on the one hand, we've got this incompetent boob who's destroying our alliances,
Fri Jul 24, 2020, 10:35 PM
Jul 2020

ruining our international reputation, selling our country to the Russians, and lining his own pockets. But, on the other hand, y'know, ya just gotta think of those poor children in that pizza parlor basement

gristy

(10,667 posts)
12. Many of the undecideds may be Trump cult members who are waking up
Fri Jul 24, 2020, 10:42 PM
Jul 2020

They aren't fully woke yet, so when polled, they must honestly say they are undecided.

Yavin4

(35,438 posts)
16. undecideds are the "but her emails" crowd
Fri Jul 24, 2020, 11:19 PM
Jul 2020

They're looking for a reason, any reason, to vote for Trump and not be embarassed or shamed about it.

sheshe2

(83,751 posts)
17. I have made several comments here, still_one.
Fri Jul 24, 2020, 11:20 PM
Jul 2020

I have some other opinions why some refuse to commit. I will stay mum at this time.

former9thward

(31,997 posts)
18. It is always amazing to me that people on a political discussion board
Fri Jul 24, 2020, 11:29 PM
Jul 2020

think that everyone is into politics as much as they are.

still_one

(92,187 posts)
21. After the last 3.5 years and everything that has happened I think this is a little more than just
Fri Jul 24, 2020, 11:37 PM
Jul 2020

politics

Most people’s lives have been impacted by this administration

sheshe2

(83,751 posts)
24. This isn't just about politics.
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 12:06 AM
Jul 2020

Do you watch the news? In five months due to an oblivious non functioning human over 149K people have died. The death rate is now 1K a day. Hospitals, ICU and first responders are overwhelmed. There are no beds left, no morgue space. Have you seen the pictures of bodies being stacked in refrigerator trucks?

This is far more than politics, however when you see this and are undecided???? WTF are people thinking?

Not you, them...the undecided.

brer cat

(24,562 posts)
28. Some people are not into making commitments.
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 07:05 AM
Jul 2020

Too afraid of making a mistake, like voting for trump in 2016. I can't believe they are truly undecided.

Edwcraig

(290 posts)
30. Why is it so difficult to understand that they love Trump
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 08:33 AM
Jul 2020

They are getting everything they want from tax cuts, to judges, to anti-abortion rulings to, environmental law deregulation, to suppression of minorities, to protection of gun rights, to suppression of voting rights. It is like the media and many Democrats think that these people are and have been decent moral people with the country's best interest at heart. I know them. Raise to be one of them. They are evil and more evil today than they were yesterday. Triggered by the election of a black man as President, their racist and anti-abortion parade had already formed and was marching. Trump just jumped in front of it.

Generic Brad

(14,274 posts)
34. Many of them don't pay attention to politics at all
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 09:18 AM
Jul 2020

The undecideds I have spoken with are probably not going to vote anyway because they are so wrapped up in the drama of their own lives.

edhopper

(33,575 posts)
37. I have seen recent articles that
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 10:01 AM
Jul 2020

there are about 16% undecided. But those are mostly folks who will probably vote third party or not vote.
So those are Libertarians who don't ever vote for a Democrat but won't vote for Trump and Bernie supporters who are still mad that Bernie was denied. They aren't undecided between Trump and Biden, they just won't vote for either.

Polybius

(15,398 posts)
39. My guess is the few that can't stand Trump, but don't like the protests and love the police
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 10:15 AM
Jul 2020

Just a guess.

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