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Couple wear Swastika masks while shopping (Original Post) Swede Jul 2020 OP
Why even acknowledge her? She's begging for it. LakeArenal Jul 2020 #1
Yes, why challenge people who celebrate Nazis? Are you kidding? Doodley Jul 2020 #11
No I'm not kidding. The video played right into her hands. LakeArenal Jul 2020 #13
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. Doodley Jul 2020 #15
Oh brother. Yank on one the others below that agree with men. LakeArenal Jul 2020 #16
Well, I guess I've seen it all, now. CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2020 #2
Absolutely no point talking to these people. They are doing it to get a rise out of you and... TreasonousBastard Jul 2020 #3
The best thing is to learn their names and make them public. Mariana Jul 2020 #6
" Absolutely no point talking to these people" mitch96 Jul 2020 #22
Assholes Gothmog Jul 2020 #4
How cute. I guess it takes all kinds. Srkdqltr Jul 2020 #5
Well Since They Got the Jumbo Size of Cheeto-Puffs that Should Keep Them Busy for Awhile Stallion Jul 2020 #18
It is what it is... Brother Buzz Jul 2020 #7
Typical trump assholes Andy823 Jul 2020 #8
This is a complete insult Wellstone ruled Jul 2020 #9
Good ismnotwasm Jul 2020 #49
I really feel for that cashier. KentuckyWoman Jul 2020 #54
We were in that store three years ago this past weekend. Wellstone ruled Jul 2020 #60
Local Fox 9 says they've been banned from all Walmart for a year. KentuckyWoman Jul 2020 #61
Heard that last night Wellstone ruled Jul 2020 #63
They are wearing a mask. If attaching a swastika is what it takes for them to comply - so be it. Ms. Toad Jul 2020 #10
Defend to the death people's right to promote a party that killed 6 million Jews? Really? Doodley Jul 2020 #14
You are aware that the ACLU, for example, has defended them - right? Ms. Toad Jul 2020 #17
I don't defend hate speech. I support laws many other nations have to stop the Doodley Jul 2020 #23
Your (and other's) ignorance of the consequences of state suppression of speech Ms. Toad Jul 2020 #26
Well, how's that working out for America? In what way has that made America better than other Doodley Jul 2020 #27
Tolerance for speech is not the same thing as tolerance for hate. Ms. Toad Jul 2020 #28
Europeans ban these symbols JonLP24 Jul 2020 #39
Thank you. Doodley Jul 2020 #51
Other nations do not have a Constitution that flat out prohibits suppressing speech with laws NutmegYankee Jul 2020 #37
You could say the same about slavery before the 13th Amendment. Hiding all our problems Doodley Jul 2020 #48
Good luck getting the majorities needed to override a fundamental right. NutmegYankee Jul 2020 #65
Funny our standards always have to be in the gutter compared to other advanced nations. Doodley Jul 2020 #66
The first Amendment protects against Govt. But Businesses don't have to accept it JI7 Jul 2020 #45
Absolutely - and I am glad that Walmart declared them trespassers and banned them. Ms. Toad Jul 2020 #47
So you would have a president that wears a swastika, but not a shopper in a store, all because of Doodley Jul 2020 #55
What would you do if you saw a swastika mask at the grocery store? WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #24
I've seen several MAGA masks and did not say a word. GulfCoast66 Jul 2020 #35
Someone in a Trump mask walked into my daughter's store. Ms. Toad Jul 2020 #41
"It is so helpful when idiots self-identify" as I walk past Been using this since I saw my niyad Jul 2020 #46
I could make them crap their pants without moving a muscle. nt Progressive Jones Jul 2020 #59
Keep shopping and go on with my life? Devil Child Jul 2020 #81
You are legally correct JonLP24 Jul 2020 #38
There is a little bit of difference when you are fighting an actual organization Ms. Toad Jul 2020 #42
We have similar problems just not at the same scale JonLP24 Jul 2020 #43
The scale is the issue. Ms. Toad Jul 2020 #44
You could make your same argument in Germany in the 1920s. If Donald Doodley Jul 2020 #58
There is no point in even having a discussion if you believe the 1st amendment to the constitution Ms. Toad Jul 2020 #64
It is nonsense to potentially defend a president who is even worse than Trump and says, Doodley Jul 2020 #67
I defend the constitutional right of every person Ms. Toad Jul 2020 #69
Do you defend Hitler's right to say what he said? Doodley Jul 2020 #70
Hitler is not a U.S. citizen Ms. Toad Jul 2020 #72
He wasn't head of state when he gained a following by spouting racist crap. It could happen here. Doodley Jul 2020 #75
As I said, we're done. Ms. Toad Jul 2020 #76
You choose to go out of your way to insult me. When I hear or see Doodley Jul 2020 #79
Take it up with the ACLU. Ms. Toad Jul 2020 #80
You are correct. We have a wannabe fascist in the Whitehouse, but we also have Doodley Jul 2020 #57
How do you know what they understand or don't understand? And why should any Doodley Jul 2020 #50
First have you ever spoken with any of them? Ms. Toad Jul 2020 #62
The Nazi Party thrived on hatred and resentment. You can dismiss this as two Doodley Jul 2020 #68
Frankly, those risks are the price we pay for living in a free society. Ms. Toad Jul 2020 #71
That is the price 6 million Jews paid and 72 million total in WW2. You defend that? Doodley Jul 2020 #73
Killing is not speech. Ms. Toad Jul 2020 #74
That is why Germany has Angela Merkel and we have a racist idiot. Doodley Jul 2020 #56
+1 Steelrolled Jul 2020 #77
If you mention rabid conservatism and someone says you are "over reacting" not_the_one Jul 2020 #12
We know what type of person just has swastikas laying around the house... NightWatcher Jul 2020 #19
It's Walmart; the fuck did you expect? nt Codeine Jul 2020 #20
Disgusting colsohlibgal Jul 2020 #21
And here's the thing...if you grandfather saw them doing this in his prime. GulfCoast66 Jul 2020 #36
What the hell..... a kennedy Jul 2020 #25
Fuckstikas Blue Owl Jul 2020 #29
I support the free speech of the person calling them sick. roamer65 Jul 2020 #30
It's not a Trump t-shirt. GaYellowDawg Jul 2020 #31
I delete that part of the tweet. Swede Jul 2020 #33
Point at them and laugh. The Wizard Jul 2020 #32
Nazis promoting their approval of the killing MerryBlooms Jul 2020 #34
Damn. Get the freakin' pro-Trump T-shirt the guy is wearing in the video. gulliver Jul 2020 #40
swastikas aside, those look like piss-poor masks 0rganism Jul 2020 #52
LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME !!! KentuckyWoman Jul 2020 #53
Their great-grandparents were probably Ilsa Jul 2020 #78
Well, at least they were wearing masks while attention seeking. Devil Child Jul 2020 #82

LakeArenal

(28,798 posts)
13. No I'm not kidding. The video played right into her hands.
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 08:35 PM
Jul 2020

Shunning is a powerful weapon. Store manager could have refused them service. That’s where the confrontation belongs.

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,515 posts)
2. Well, I guess I've seen it all, now.
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 08:12 PM
Jul 2020

I am shocked, but I know I shouldn't be.

This is part of tRump's legacy.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
3. Absolutely no point talking to these people. They are doing it to get a rise out of you and...
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 08:14 PM
Jul 2020

everyone else.

You could just ignore them. Or maybe accidentally spill chocolate syrup or vinegar on them. Or mumble disapproval.

But altercation is not advised. That just turns them on.

Now, maybe one quick right cross to the chin... But silently. Don't say a word, just beat the fuck out of them. Silently.

Mariana

(14,854 posts)
6. The best thing is to learn their names and make them public.
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 08:19 PM
Jul 2020

They certainly can have no reasonable expectation of privacy in a Walmart.

mitch96

(13,869 posts)
22. " Absolutely no point talking to these people"
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 09:09 PM
Jul 2020

Yup, I agree...... They drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience...
m

Srkdqltr

(6,224 posts)
5. How cute. I guess it takes all kinds.
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 08:18 PM
Jul 2020

They do come out of the woodwork . They would be offensive if they didn't look so thoroughly stupid. Got a good laugh.

Brother Buzz

(36,364 posts)
7. It is what it is...
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 08:21 PM
Jul 2020

The fucking orange anus has enabled these assholes. The fucking president of the United States enabled these assholes to do these asshole things.

Nothing shocks me anymore.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
9. This is a complete insult
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 08:24 PM
Jul 2020

to one of the most influential families in Marshall. BTW,our Niece was in the Store at the time and send us a video of these two. Have not heard the names as of yet,but,rest assured,they will be outed.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
60. We were in that store three years ago this past weekend.
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 01:42 PM
Jul 2020

The Lady Cashier in the Video waited on us. We saw first hand how these local Fascist do their thing. As our Niece mentioned,the Store just erupted with people flocking to the Registrar Area,with some protecting the Cashier while others verbally forced the Couple out the door. Others followed the two out into the Parking. Understand the two went full out verbally fascist.




















 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
63. Heard that last night
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 01:49 PM
Jul 2020

from our Niece. Knowing the area pretty well,was truly amazed how the locals reacted. The Worm has turned.

Ms. Toad

(33,992 posts)
10. They are wearing a mask. If attaching a swastika is what it takes for them to comply - so be it.
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 08:29 PM
Jul 2020

Is it incredibly offensive? Absolutely.

Does it fall within protected speech. Yup.

I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.

- Evelyn Beatrice Hall, 1906.

Ms. Toad

(33,992 posts)
17. You are aware that the ACLU, for example, has defended them - right?
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 08:48 PM
Jul 2020
https://www.aclu.org/issues/free-speech/rights-protesters/skokie-case-how-i-came-represent-free-speech-rights-nazis

If you truly believe in free speech, you have to. And if you don't, you are suggesting that you will accept suppression of your public speech if others (who happen to have more power) disagree with your position.

That doesn't mean you can't argue with them, educate others as to what the Nazis stand for, hold counter-protests, let their employer's know what they are doing in public, etc. But yes, if I expect my right to demonstrate in Portland (as an example) to be respected, I also have to allow for people who support Nazis to speak publically. My options are to disagree wtih them, not call for suppression of their speech.

**Note** we are talking about public speech - not the private right to exclude offensive conversations on a message board, for example.

Doodley

(9,033 posts)
23. I don't defend hate speech. I support laws many other nations have to stop the
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 09:15 PM
Jul 2020

spread of hatred that I see in America. All this freedom of speech at any cost is why we are in this mess. It's why we have Trump. It's why we have lost control of this virus. It's why we have police killing black folk. It's why tens of millions have no healthcare. It's why we have one quarter of the world's prison population. It's why we have school shootings other nations don't have.

Talk to me about the suppression of speech when we are comparable to European nations on all these issues. I am never going to defend anyone's right to spread hatred and racial division.

Ms. Toad

(33,992 posts)
26. Your (and other's) ignorance of the consequences of state suppression of speech
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 09:27 PM
Jul 2020

- and the willingess to allow suppression of speech you find offensive, is part of the danger of Trump.

I am not willing to have Trump, et al. dictate that BLM protestors must be silenced - that means that I must also not be willing to have our side silence voices we find offensive. The principles (the government must not suppress speech) must remain the same, or it is just a political game - and whoever has the ball gets to determine what speech the government is permitted to suppress.

The right to speak, associate with others of like mind, etc. is a fundamental principle on which our society is founded.

Again - that doesn't mean do nothing. Educate. Counter-protest. Creatively usurp the places they want to hold their ralies. But the one thing that is off limits is using the force of law to suppress their speech - no matter how much I hate it. Unless I am similarly willing to have my own speech suppresssed when the government is run by folks like Trump.

Doodley

(9,033 posts)
27. Well, how's that working out for America? In what way has that made America better than other
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 09:43 PM
Jul 2020

nations that won't tolerate hate speech? Has it made America more equal? More caring about each other? Less divided? Less hateful? Less dysfunctional? How has all this tolerance for hate benefited America?

Ms. Toad

(33,992 posts)
28. Tolerance for speech is not the same thing as tolerance for hate.
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 09:47 PM
Jul 2020

And do you really think the country will be more functional if we carry a big stick and suppress speech we don't like? That's a Chinese and North Korean tactic. And if Trump wins - it will continue to be used against us, just as it is being used against us now in Portland.

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
37. Other nations do not have a Constitution that flat out prohibits suppressing speech with laws
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 11:06 PM
Jul 2020

We do. You can scream into the wind as long as you want, the USA will never have hate speech laws.

Doodley

(9,033 posts)
48. You could say the same about slavery before the 13th Amendment. Hiding all our problems
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 12:53 PM
Jul 2020

behind the constitution doesn't solve anything. As a nation, we are in decline. We have problems most other advanced nations have dealt with. What the hell are we going to do about it?

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
65. Good luck getting the majorities needed to override a fundamental right.
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 03:24 PM
Jul 2020

Keep in mind that once government can ban speech a future right wing government would absolutely use that against us. They might make lèse-majesté a crime and punish the opposition.

Ms. Toad

(33,992 posts)
47. Absolutely - and I am glad that Walmart declared them trespassers and banned them.
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 12:31 AM
Jul 2020

That's speech countering speech. It is different from government suppression of speech.

Doodley

(9,033 posts)
55. So you would have a president that wears a swastika, but not a shopper in a store, all because of
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 01:17 PM
Jul 2020

the precious constitution?

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
35. I've seen several MAGA masks and did not say a word.
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 10:59 PM
Jul 2020

But if I see someone with a Nazi mask I’m calling them out. Probably say if my uncle who flew in bombers was here and still alive at, what 96, he would still try to kick their asses. And tell them if they wore them in 46 they might be killed when the greatest generation was in its prime. I certainly have now deceased relatives that would have shot them dead in 46 or 47. And in that part of Arkansas no jury would have convicted them.

All that said, they have the right to wear them. I suspect they are either unemployed or soon will be.

Ms. Toad

(33,992 posts)
41. Someone in a Trump mask walked into my daughter's store.
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 11:38 PM
Jul 2020

she had the same response as I did - at least they are wearning a mask.

And just as they have a right to wear the mask (Trump or Swastika), you have a right to speak your mind in response to it. And their employer likely has a right to terminate them, since most employment in this country is at-will.

niyad

(113,025 posts)
46. "It is so helpful when idiots self-identify" as I walk past Been using this since I saw my
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 12:28 AM
Jul 2020

first trump shirt in 2016.

 

Devil Child

(2,728 posts)
81. Keep shopping and go on with my life?
Thu Jul 30, 2020, 10:12 AM
Jul 2020

Those groceries aren’t going to purchase themselves and make it back home.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
38. You are legally correct
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 11:11 PM
Jul 2020

I think this was more effective though

Germany

After World War Two, the penal code of the Federal Republic of Germany was amended to prohibit propaganda material and symbols of forbidden parties and other organisations (StGB 86 and 86a). This includes, explicitly, material in the tradition of a former national socialist organization. Prohibited is the production and distribution of this material. Prohibited is also the public display of the symbols related. Legal consequences can be a fine or a prison term (up to three years).

Examples are Nazi symbols, such as the Hakenkreuz swastika and the SS logo. It is legal to use the symbols for educational and artistic purposes.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post%E2%80%93World_War_II_legality_of_Nazi_flags

We have a solid first amendment but racism & discrimination continue to be a huge problem in this country.

I saw a Green Frog's twitter page the other day -- looked like Hitler's feed.

Ms. Toad

(33,992 posts)
42. There is a little bit of difference when you are fighting an actual organization
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 11:42 PM
Jul 2020

(or the resurgence of one) that ran the country and murdered 6 million people.

Here it is stupid hateful people, most of whom have not studied enough history to actually understand the symbol they are using.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
43. We have similar problems just not at the same scale
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 12:03 AM
Jul 2020

We have the highest incarceration rate in the world. African-Americans are locked up at disproportionate rates. Trump's immigration policies & Muslim ban. Imperialist foreign policy which is a lot of "we know what's best for your country".

There is a long history of redlining & gentrification.

How American Racism Influenced Hitler

Americans have an especially insatiable appetite for Nazi-themed books, films, television shows, documentaries, video games, and comic books. Stories of the Second World War console us with memories of the days before Vietnam, Cambodia, and Iraq, when the United States was the world’s good-hearted superpower, riding to the rescue of a Europe paralyzed by totalitarianism and appeasement. Yet an eerie continuity became visible in the postwar years, as German scientists were imported to America and began working for their former enemies; the resulting technologies of mass destruction exceeded Hitler’s darkest imaginings. The Nazis idolized many aspects of American society: the cult of sport, Hollywood production values, the mythology of the frontier. From boyhood on, Hitler devoured the Westerns of the popular German novelist Karl May. In 1928, Hitler remarked, approvingly, that white settlers in America had “gunned down the millions of redskins to a few hundred thousand.” When he spoke of Lebensraum, the German drive for “living space” in Eastern Europe, he often had America in mind.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/04/30/how-american-racism-influenced-hitler

How the Nazis Were Inspired by Jim Crow

When the Nazis set out to legally disenfranchise and discriminate against Jewish citizens, they weren’t just coming up with ideas out of thin air. They closely studied the laws of another country. According to James Q. Whitman, author of Hitler’s American Model, that country was the United States.

“America in the early 20th century was the leading racist jurisdiction in the world,” says Whitman, who is a professor at Yale Law School. “Nazi lawyers, as a result, were interested in, looked very closely at, [and] were ultimately influenced by American race law.”

In particular, Nazis admired the Jim Crow-era laws that discriminated against black Americans and segregated them from white Americans, and they debated whether to introduce similar segregation in Germany.

https://www.history.com/news/how-the-nazis-were-inspired-by-jim-crow


Free speech is solved. Other problems not so much.

Ms. Toad

(33,992 posts)
44. The scale is the issue.
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 12:15 AM
Jul 2020

And the fact that Nazis WERE the government, and as an official act of government tortured and murdered more than 6 million people. We have not had a situation in which the Nazis WERE the government, nor mass murder by the government on that grand a scale. The potential rise, again, of the Nazi party is what makes it a different situation, from my perspective.

I am not convinced that suppression of speech is appropriate, even then. But it is a vastly different situation that a disorganzied collection of Nazi wannabes - the vast majority of whom could not even articulate the policies and ideals of party they emulate, beyond some general idea of white supremacy.

Doodley

(9,033 posts)
58. You could make your same argument in Germany in the 1920s. If Donald
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 01:39 PM
Jul 2020

Trump said that "illegals should be executed," and polls showed a large number of people supported it, would you continue this "right to free speech" nonsense?

Ms. Toad

(33,992 posts)
64. There is no point in even having a discussion if you believe the 1st amendment to the constitution
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 01:57 PM
Jul 2020

is "nonsense."

Doodley

(9,033 posts)
67. It is nonsense to potentially defend a president who is even worse than Trump and says,
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 10:45 PM
Jul 2020

"We should look at executing all illegals." That can't happen in Europe. It seems like you would defend it, based on the 1st amendment. Yes, that would be nonsense.

Ms. Toad

(33,992 posts)
69. I defend the constitutional right of every person
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 11:05 PM
Jul 2020

to speak freely (even when it is offensive) to peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Once we allow the government to pick and choose which speech is allowed, no speech will be safe - because whether one is permitted to speak is up to the whim of whichever party is in charge. That's why the protesters in Portland are being shut down - and why there are so many lawsuits about whether Trump's actions are permitted. The same would (should) be true if Obama had tried to shut down speech.

As a matter of speech, of course any person can utter - without government interference - "we should look at executing all illegals." It is offensive and, if a law calling for that we enacted, it would be unconstitutional. That doesn't change their right to SAY it.

You seem confused on the distinction between speech and action.

Ms. Toad

(33,992 posts)
72. Hitler is not a U.S. citizen
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 11:12 PM
Jul 2020

And he was acting as the head of state. Ordering murder (when you have the ability to command others to carry it out) is action - not speech. That is different than opining that murder should be allowed.

The former is not covered by the first amendment; the latter is.

Doodley

(9,033 posts)
75. He wasn't head of state when he gained a following by spouting racist crap. It could happen here.
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 11:18 PM
Jul 2020

It sounds like you would defend it.

Ms. Toad

(33,992 posts)
76. As I said, we're done.
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 11:19 PM
Jul 2020

You seem utterly unfamiliar with the first amendment, or the distinction between speech and action.

Doodley

(9,033 posts)
79. You choose to go out of your way to insult me. When I hear or see
Thu Jul 30, 2020, 01:45 AM
Jul 2020

Nazis my first reaction is to condemn it, not rush to say, "I defend their right to spout hatred."

Frankly, I am offended by right-wingers who are full of hate speech and use freedom of speech as a defense. For example, they might join in calling Colin Kaepernick a "son of a bitch," for expressing himself, but then they excuse racist crap or Nazis marching through Charlottesville as freedom of speech. It is sick that anyone goes down that road. Our first reaction should be to say that this is unacceptable, not to say that they would go to their death defending their right to say it.



Doodley

(9,033 posts)
57. You are correct. We have a wannabe fascist in the Whitehouse, but we also have
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 01:33 PM
Jul 2020

devastating statistics when it comes to gun crime, police brutality, wealth equality, life expectancy, healthcare, environmental protection - all because the hate-charged political environment we are in where things are said on a daily basis by the right that would force politicians or broadcasters to resign in other nations.

We have lost our way, always excusing outright lies, smears and scaremongering with free-speech arguments, no matter how much damage it does to us as a society, as individuals or our standing in the world. Our nation is being shredded with pure unadulterated hated that always sets one group against another for political or economic advantage.

Doodley

(9,033 posts)
50. How do you know what they understand or don't understand? And why should any
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 01:01 PM
Jul 2020

lack of intelligence or understanding make any difference to whether their spread of hate and racial division is acceptable?

Ms. Toad

(33,992 posts)
62. First have you ever spoken with any of them?
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 01:45 PM
Jul 2020

Second, did you listen to this particular woman - it was clear from what she said that she had no clue.

The reason it matters is that these people is that these are stupid idiots who control nothing. They are just running their mouths because they are angry, hateful people who feel powerless. Use your voice, not government repression to counter them. (As Wal-Mart did when it told them they were no longer welcome to shop there.)

This is a vastly different scenario than being in Europe, where Nazis actually ran Germany, killed more than 6 million people across many countries, and of the party real enough to make the threat of resurgence was real.

Doodley

(9,033 posts)
68. The Nazi Party thrived on hatred and resentment. You can dismiss this as two
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 10:57 PM
Jul 2020

nutters. It only takes one narcissist, megalomaniac nutter to attract a big following.

Would you support the right of a wannabe Hitler to have a platform of hatred and racial division to attact Trump's most extreme supporters, after Trump has gone?

It could happen. As people didn't expect Trump to happen, this could happen.

Would you let a neo-Nazi party grow in America and attract millions of supporters by spouting hatred and the persecution of minorities?

Ms. Toad

(33,992 posts)
71. Frankly, those risks are the price we pay for living in a free society.
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 11:10 PM
Jul 2020

Freedom of association (also part of the first amendment) permits people to assemble together. Do you want them shutting down DU? If you allow the government to pick and choose which groups are permitted to exist, then only those groups that find favor with the current government will be permitted to meet.

Did you skip your civics class in high school? You seem surprisingly unfamiliar with the first amendment, its importance, and its implications.

Ms. Toad

(33,992 posts)
74. Killing is not speech.
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 11:16 PM
Jul 2020

We're done, since you have no concept about the first amendment or about the distinction between speech and action.

 

Steelrolled

(2,022 posts)
77. +1
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 11:25 PM
Jul 2020

I understand that people get worked up over this.

Everyone knows this, especially the people wearing the masks. THAT'S WHY THEY DO IT!

I just laugh at wackos like this - they are not the salt of the earth, but maybe the cayenne pepper.

 

not_the_one

(2,227 posts)
12. If you mention rabid conservatism and someone says you are "over reacting"
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 08:34 PM
Jul 2020

show them this lovely couple.

I hope more do it. They make our point FOR us.

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
21. Disgusting
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 09:08 PM
Jul 2020

My Paternal Grandfather fought in WWII and he and others like him would be so appalled by this.

It’s a disgrace and those folks are white trash. I’m skeptical but if there is a Hell they’re headed there.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
36. And here's the thing...if you grandfather saw them doing this in his prime.
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 11:03 PM
Jul 2020

Do you doubt for a second he would have kicked the living shit out of them? Sure as hell my ancestors would have. First amendment our not. What my uncles went through was super traumatic and god awful. They came home and saw that shit and it would have been on.

roamer65

(36,744 posts)
30. I support the free speech of the person calling them sick.
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 09:58 PM
Jul 2020

They are sick. Free speech goes both ways. They should be publically shamed for wearing such an offensive symbol.

GaYellowDawg

(4,446 posts)
31. It's not a Trump t-shirt.
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 10:02 PM
Jul 2020

It's a Wal-Mart t-shirt that say "True Red and Blue."

I saw someone called out on Twitter for claiming it was a Trump t-shirt, and he made a real ass of himself in the process. We don't need to get caught out like that.

MerryBlooms

(11,756 posts)
34. Nazis promoting their approval of the killing
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 10:35 PM
Jul 2020

of millions of people. Entire families wiped out... That's what they're promoting. Our families wiped out by C19. They are part of the 38% of trump's death cult. It's not political speech. There are NO good nazis. Dox and shame. Shave their heads and parade them through the streets.

gulliver

(13,168 posts)
40. Damn. Get the freakin' pro-Trump T-shirt the guy is wearing in the video.
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 11:15 PM
Jul 2020

That's the intro picture on YouTube. Missed opportunity.

0rganism

(23,920 posts)
52. swastikas aside, those look like piss-poor masks
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 01:07 PM
Jul 2020

thin single layer loosely draped
could have done better with a folded bandana
yet another reason they should not have been permitted to enter the store

Ilsa

(61,690 posts)
78. Their great-grandparents were probably
Mon Jul 27, 2020, 06:38 AM
Jul 2020

Members of the German American Bund or Friends of New Germany (FONG).

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