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applegrove

(118,492 posts)
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 01:41 PM Jul 2020

THESE GUYS ARE IN TOTALLY OVER THEIR HEADS": EXPERTS WORRY TRUMP'S DHS CRACKDOWNS ARE IGNORING THE

REAL THREAT

As Trump wages war on the left, and threatens to send more federal agents to U.S. cities, far-right, white nationalist extremists seem to get a free pass. “It’s an abuse of power,” says one former DHS analyst.

BY ABIGAIL TRACY at Vanity Fair

JULY 24, 2020

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/07/donald-trump-dhs-portland-protests

"SNIP......

When Donald Trump and the Department of Homeland Security dispatched heavily armed federal troops to patrol the streets of Portland, Oregon—where, as in many cities across the country, protests against the police killing of George Floyd are ongoing—the reaction was swift and largely predictable. Allies of the president hailed the strong-arm tactics as an appropriate response to “the violent left.” Critics saw the deployment as a bald-faced political ploy. “It’s clear that these guys are in totally over their heads at this point and that there is no plan beyond ‘law and order,’” a former high-ranking DHS official told me.

Former officials have been vocal about their horror at the weaponization of the agency under Trump and acting secretary Chad Wolf. Experts I spoke with were similarly alarmed, and not only at the deployment of a force that acts as the president’s own secret police. What struck them was the fact that Trump’s response to peaceful protesters comes at the expense of his attention to a far more serious threat: the rise of homegrown white nationalist extremism. “I think that [Customs and Border Protection] is being used by the president for political purposes,” said Daryl Johnson, a former senior analyst at DHS. “Homeland security, as well as the president and his administration, have turned a blind eye year after year to this growing threat of white supremacy and anti-government extremism. And yet within two months of protests erupting, they’ve got this plan of action that’s very aggressive…it’s an abuse of power, an overreaction to one type of threat, and yet they downplay and hide from the threat of violence from the far right.”

Under the Trump administration, in other words, violent threats themselves have become politicized. “Just as we have seen in the public’s response and understanding of the pandemic, which seems to be influenced or informed by what political party you belong to, the same applies to these types of threats,” said John Cohen, the former deputy undersecretary for intelligence and analysis at DHS. “We have become so politically divided as a nation that it has actually undermined our ability to deal with emerging threats because of the way people interpret information, the way people understand potential threats in large part is driven by the political party that you support.”

Trump’s history of trafficking in white supremacist tropes is well-documented. As I reported last year, his rhetoric has been so extreme that a number of attorneys have relied on the Trump Defense, as it were, to argue in court that words from the Oval Office radicalized their clients. As it has become increasingly tethered to Trump, the rank and file of the Republican Party appears to be taking its cues from the top; a critical mass of GOP lawmakers and candidates have echoed—if in a diluted form—a racist conspiracy theory dubbed “the Great Replacement,” which falsely claims that white people are being “replaced.” “The rhetoric and policy priorities for many on the far right…have been incorporated into the mainstream political discourse. And when they hear from the president of the United States, and from his supporters in the media and on Capitol Hill, support for policies that they have advocated for, they derive a sense of validation,” said Cohen. “They believe that they have support at the highest levels of our government.”

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THESE GUYS ARE IN TOTALLY OVER THEIR HEADS": EXPERTS WORRY TRUMP'S DHS CRACKDOWNS ARE IGNORING THE (Original Post) applegrove Jul 2020 OP
Waiting for all the Wellstone ruled Jul 2020 #1
Something needs to be done before people are killed. blueinredohio Jul 2020 #2
This. Who can stop it ..now. Budi Jul 2020 #3
The good news in all of this is that someone has noticed, about the white supremacists given a free BComplex Jul 2020 #4
The last thing media will say is DHS has made itself a national security threat to the United States ancianita Jul 2020 #5
"...and our values." I don't think we share the same "values" anymore. Who wrote this? Evolve Dammit Jul 2020 #7
I don't know who wrote it, but it's on a google images page for the dhs.gov home page. ancianita Jul 2020 #18
TRUMP WANTS RIOTS! Eyeball_Kid Jul 2020 #6
this llashram Jul 2020 #8
How did we manage before GWB created the Dept of Homeland Security? JustABozoOnThisBus Jul 2020 #9
DHS was always a dangerous unAmerican idea BlueIdaho Jul 2020 #12
100% With You ProfessorGAC Jul 2020 #13
Department of Homeland Security Ligyron Jul 2020 #19
The DHS was created because W's friends in Saudi Arabia cooperated by attacking the WTC. erronis Jul 2020 #10
late friend of mine said that we will regret signing the patriots act and it will come back to haunt AllaN01Bear Jul 2020 #14
This is all pointed at the election. Mr.Bill Jul 2020 #11
Yup👆 They know Biden will win in a landslide, if voting is not suppressed flibbitygiblets Jul 2020 #16
Yep. He'll do anything to compromise the election. calimary Jul 2020 #20
These Storm Trumpers are committing crimes and...... MRDAWG Jul 2020 #15
DAMN!!! SkyDaddy7 Jul 2020 #17
 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
1. Waiting for all the
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 01:44 PM
Jul 2020

personal Lawsuits to be filed for Injury and violation of Personal Rights.

As a retired Federal Attorney said,flood the courts.

blueinredohio

(6,797 posts)
2. Something needs to be done before people are killed.
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 01:51 PM
Jul 2020

This shit can be called out all day and I don't know who can do but it needs to be stopped. We can't ho on like this until January.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
3. This. Who can stop it ..now.
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 02:21 PM
Jul 2020

"This shit can be called out all day and I don't know who can do but it needs to be stopped"

If the plan all along was to break the American people thru mass death & personal ability to work, earn a living, move about, raise their families & build a community, while remaining he, himself untouchable, then yes he has succeeded beyond our most far reaching fears.

He will not stop the carnage on American soil until a greater force steps forward.


What & where is our last resort?
Our military?
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You promised to “defend the Constitution” against “all enemies, foreign and domestic.” Now what?
By Orin Kerr
Contributor, The Volokh Conspiracy
January 12, 2015 at 11:22 PM EST

Article VI of the Constitution requires Officials to take an oath “to support this Constitution.” Today, 5 U.S.C. 3331 specifies the language of the oath for federal officials. According to this statute, officials must “solemnly swear (or affirm)” that they “will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic” and that they “will bear true faith and allegiance to the same.”
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What am I missing here?

BComplex

(8,017 posts)
4. The good news in all of this is that someone has noticed, about the white supremacists given a free
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 02:24 PM
Jul 2020

pass. There is definitely a double standard for all of this, and that is dangerous, and strictly political.

ancianita

(35,933 posts)
5. The last thing media will say is DHS has made itself a national security threat to the United States
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 02:54 PM
Jul 2020

DHS has chosen to abandon THIS:

Evolve Dammit

(16,697 posts)
7. "...and our values." I don't think we share the same "values" anymore. Who wrote this?
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 03:06 PM
Jul 2020

It is just a slogan and of course total horsepucky as DHS has screwed up and lied since the "terrorist" warning system and telling everyone to put plastic sheeting on their windows. Then there was Katrina... "Integrity"?" "Safeguarding" who? Rich white people is my answer to both questions. I sincerely wish it were otherwise, but it's pretty clear at this point. Thanks W.

llashram

(6,265 posts)
8. this
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 03:08 PM
Jul 2020

any rational person with critical thinking skills not destroyed by fox news, trump disinformation, lies and blatant racism can see what's going on with all the federal troops. The resident at 1600 is preparing for total war on the American people when he loses the election or if by some outside chance he is still at 1600 after Jan 20th, 2021 he has his troops in place to TRY to quell the unrest at his fraudulent victory.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,321 posts)
9. How did we manage before GWB created the Dept of Homeland Security?
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 03:22 PM
Jul 2020

I hope we find out, after Prez Biden dissolves it. And bans the word "homeland".

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
12. DHS was always a dangerous unAmerican idea
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 03:58 PM
Jul 2020

As it’s being used now, it’s downright unconstitutional...

erronis

(15,181 posts)
10. The DHS was created because W's friends in Saudi Arabia cooperated by attacking the WTC.
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 03:29 PM
Jul 2020

The Saudis are still free. No repercussions.

W is still acting like an idiot and actually being compared favorably to this latest (r)epuglicon monstrosity.

The RWers got their "Homeland" agency which has run amok.

The US people are being shafted and a large percentage think that's just fine.

AllaN01Bear

(17,987 posts)
14. late friend of mine said that we will regret signing the patriots act and it will come back to haunt
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 04:32 PM
Jul 2020

us. it is now .

Mr.Bill

(24,238 posts)
11. This is all pointed at the election.
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 03:44 PM
Jul 2020

Trump is repeating constantly about mail in ballots equaling voter fraud. I fear the end game is in the middle of the night when the votes are being counted, federal thugs show up armed to the teeth at you local Registrar of Voters office and confiscating mail in ballots. And they know exactly where in the country they will need to do this to assure a Trump victory. And the Trumpanzees will cheer for them.

A month ago nobody would have believed this, but it's getting real now, isn't it?

flibbitygiblets

(7,220 posts)
16. Yup👆 They know Biden will win in a landslide, if voting is not suppressed
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 04:48 PM
Jul 2020

These are just beta tests, getting ramped up stripping US citizens of their rights.

calimary

(81,110 posts)
20. Yep. He'll do anything to compromise the election.
Tue Jul 28, 2020, 10:59 AM
Jul 2020

The illegitimately “elected” “president” will try to render the next election illegitimate to give himself cover if he loses.

SkyDaddy7

(6,045 posts)
17. DAMN!!!
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 05:18 PM
Jul 2020

"...(Trump's) his rhetoric has been so extreme that a number of attorneys have relied on the Trump Defense, as it were, to argue in court that words from the Oval Office radicalized their clients."

...This deranged, corrupt, racist egomaniac continues to not only get away with every law HE BREAKS but also all the law breaking, violence, mayhem & death he inspires so many others to do! Not to mention all the chaos, suffering & death his arrogant incompetence has caused around the world & especially here at home!!

...I sooooo wished my mind allowed me to believe in the super natural wishful thinking ideas such as "KARMA" & "HELL" & every other idea reserved for monsters like Trump!! TRUE SCUM like Trump who get to live a life of luxury & instead of being thankful run through the world as he & others like him do, despite the evil they do, the amount of chaos, suffering & death they leave in their wake they will die of old age NEVER paying a JUST PRICE for their crimes against humanity!

...SUX!!!

...There is still time so maybe Trump meets his doom in a way that is somehow "justice"...We will see.

...Im gonna go watch some kitty cat videos on YouTube.

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