I thought Boris Johnson loved Trump?

[DonaldsRump]

I'm not sure I'm buying the thesis of this article: BoJo wants Trump to lose. I thought they were both Putin's puppets?

Anyway, for your consideration:

Boris Johnson's government is privately 'desperate' for Trump to lose the election to Joe Biden

*Boris Johnson's government privately wants Donald Trump to lose the upcoming presidential election to Joe Biden, according to a new report.

*UK government sources told the Sunday Times that Johnson has been trying to distance itself from the Trump administration in anticipation of a potential Biden victory.

*Johnson's government has reportedly ditched plans to sign a trade deal with Trump this year, saying they don't want to be bounced into one by the president.

*A senior UK diplomat told Business Insider that a Biden victory would bring an end to the "venal corruption" of the Trump era.

https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-lose-presidential-election-joe-biden-uk-boris-johnson-2020-7

[DemocratSinceBirth]

1. The Tories are arguably...

The Tories are arguably closer in ideology to our Democratic party than they are to the Republican party.

[OnDoutside]

7. I would argue that they are not, by a long way. The Tories are as

morally bankrupt as the GOP. They're only in government because Jeremy Corbyn was leading the Labour Party. Time will catch up on them too.

[Skittles]

8. um............no

[DemocratSinceBirth]

14. A Conservative government in the UK ratified marriage equality in 2004

That was ten years before Obergefell v. Hodges. The British Conservatives favor national health insurance. The British Conservative party is pro- choice. The British Conservative party passed a National Living Wage. The British Conservative party is against the death penalty.

On a political spectrum the Dems are closer to the British Conservatives and the Republicans are closer to France's far-right National Rally or their own far- right British National Party.

[muriel_volestrangler]

17. In 2013, not 2004

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_%28Same_Sex_Couples%29_Act_2013

2004 was Labour act for civil partnerships: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Partnership_Act_2004

Some of the Conservatives may be closer to the Democrats than to the Republicans, but by no means all; plenty of them are anti-abortion, and pro-death penalty. Their support for a minimum wage and national health has come from public pressure, not ideology.

(The last vote on the death penalty was in 1994, when 122 Tory MPs voted against restoring it for killing a police officer, and 148 in favour)

[DemocratSinceBirth]

18. Fair enough but the Republican party is not a center right party.

The Republican Party leans much farther right than most traditional conservative parties in Western Europe and Canada, according to an analysis of their election manifestos. It is more extreme than Britain’s Independence Party and France’s National Rally (formerly the National Front), which some consider far-right populist parties. The Democratic Party, in contrast, is positioned closer to mainstream liberal parties.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/06/26/opinion/sunday/republican-platform-far-right.html

[Denzil_DC]

22. Muriel covered much of what I was going to say, but here's some more:

The British Conservatives favor national health insurance.

They largely continue to pay lipservice to the National Health Service, but the trend has been to underfund and gradually privatize it, prominent Tories like Dominic Raab are on record as favouring privatization, and as of December last year, at least a dozen prominent Tory politicians, including Health Secretary Matt Hancock and Dominic Cummings, had financial links to private healthcare concerns. This list has some overlaps with the 70 or so MPs found to have such links in 2015.

The NHS has long been considered the third rail of British politics, but Brexit and its aftermath have allowed the prospect of radical changes that would be unthinkable in normal times. You might think that the COVID crisis would have focused minds on the worth of the NHS, but nurses lost out on a recent "thankyou" pay rise awarded to the police, and there's been a free-for-all of unscrutinized contracts handed out to dodgy firms far too cosy with prominent Tories, a number of which have failed to deliver anything at all. Anyone who still believes the mantra that the NHS is safe in Tory hands has a shuddering wake-up call coming.

The British Conservative party passed a National Living Wage.

Only workers over 25 are eligible for the "Living Wage", which is only some 50 pence an hour more than the statutory minimum wage in the UK. This "Living Wage" is less than it is calculated workers actually need in order to be able to afford to live. This doesn't take into consideration those on zero-hour contracts and in other insecure forms of employment, who may not be able to work enough hours to support themselves and their families. It also hasn't stopped the payment of slave wages to workers in the garment industry, for instance, as scrutiny has been incredibly (some might say deliberately) lax.

[napi21]

2. It looked like they got along when Boris was first elected because Boris wanted to make nice with

all World leaders, but then he got to see DT in action & realized he wasn't in agreement with this crazy dictator. All it takes is a small glimmer into the world of DT to know you want nothing to do with him!

[kimbutgar]

3. I'd believe it

They think he is an idiot!

[DonaldsRump]

4. Wouldn't it be like Bert and Ernie hating each other?

Meaning that BoJo and Trump are controlled by the same puppetmaster?

[OnDoutside]

5. Johnson is as bad as Trump, but can probably see the writing on the wall.

They are two despicable selfish amoral assholes, and the only difference between them is that Johnson is well educated, which makes him an awful lot worse.

Johnson has completely screwed the UK, economically, by pushing the UK out of the EU, and going for a No Deal Brexit. Thus he has no cards to play in the trade negotiations with the US....Trump has him over a barrel. The question is whether he thinks he can get a better deal from a Biden administration or a Trump one.

[anamnua]

19. He has been described as 'Trump with a thesaurus' NT

[OnDoutside]

23. Yes, he actually does know "all the best words" unlike Trump !

He's a terrible person though.

[IcyPeas]

6. birds of a feather

[DonaldsRump]

9. And then there was this brilliant piece from a December 2019 SNL!

[IcyPeas]

11. OMG I don't remember that

Love it!!!!!!

[Gothmog]

10. No one likes trump

Link to tweet

[Nevilledog]

13. +1

[stopdiggin]

12. the idea that Johnson was ever a Trump clone

or mini-me was a complete (and simplistic) reading of both the situation and the man.

And the idea that any political or world leader is "buddies" with Trump -- is also cartoonishly laughable.
Trump does not have "friends." And Boris Johnson is quite capable of identifying nuclear waste when it is illustrated in 3-D

The suggestion that the UK leader is keeping the president at arms length is not only plausible -- it's a political imperative given his own party and electorate.

[empedocles]

15. Bojo no kompromat?

[Backseat Driver]

16. Nah, he just doesn't like to share any and all available rubles w/Dimwit Donnie!

Maybe he just figures that "winner TAKES ALL - not half and not any of the Putin's "world disruption" crumbs - He's deemed Guliani, Lev and Igor indiscreet and/or just plain crazy and decided he's been a team player long enough and wants a larger slice of Putin's pie.

[Celerity]

21. [phone]

[BannonsLiver]

20. Bojo has never been a Putinite like Trump

He’s just a garden variety douche.

[OnDoutside]

24. That said, he does have a wandering mickey and no one is sure

the precise number of kids he has. It wouldn't be beyond possibility for there to be kompromat out there on him.

[BannonsLiver]

25. I just haven't seen the Russian fealty that Trump has

In fact he’s said some things that aren’t nice to Putin. But he’s a bum for a lot of reasons, his wandering pickle included. And theoretically yes people who like to put their pickle in a lot of different places are vulnerable to kompromat.