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Sun Jul 26, 2020, 09:38 PM

I been reading (somewhere on DU) that when a vaccination is created

There will be many who will refuse the treatment because they will be afraid the shot will give them Covid 19 and they will die. This maybe a problem.. if people refuse to take the vaccination than the spread will continue and more people will die.

So it took some time for people to believe there was a real pandemic in this country. After 140 thousand deaths it becomes apparent that something is out of place when the bodies start stacking up in refrigerator trucks. The next step is to talk people into taking the vaccination because... Science.

No Vaccination is available yet, but when there is one, how would you suggest people be educated so they know its better to take the vaccination than not?



















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Reply I been reading (somewhere on DU) that when a vaccination is created (Original post)
yuiyoshida Jul 2020 OP
Sanity Claws Jul 2020 #1
onecaliberal Jul 2020 #2
PSPS Jul 2020 #4
ret5hd Jul 2020 #13
NoRoadUntravelled Jul 2020 #14
uponit7771 Jul 2020 #49
alfredo Jul 2020 #27
lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #42
sarcasmo Jul 2020 #3
underpants Jul 2020 #5
yuiyoshida Jul 2020 #6
DBoon Jul 2020 #12
lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #43
TexasTowelie Jul 2020 #7
Backseat Driver Jul 2020 #16
Raine Jul 2020 #30
gollygee Jul 2020 #36
TexasTowelie Jul 2020 #51
lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #44
CaptYossarian Jul 2020 #8
still_one Jul 2020 #9
Cirque du So-What Jul 2020 #10
pecosbob Jul 2020 #19
gollygee Jul 2020 #37
Ms. Toad Jul 2020 #11
Arazi Jul 2020 #18
Ms. Toad Jul 2020 #20
Steelrolled Jul 2020 #21
Ms. Toad Jul 2020 #22
Steelrolled Jul 2020 #25
Ms. Toad Jul 2020 #29
womanofthehills Jul 2020 #31
lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #45
gollygee Jul 2020 #38
Ms. Toad Jul 2020 #39
gollygee Jul 2020 #41
lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #46
gollygee Jul 2020 #47
Ms. Toad Jul 2020 #50
NoRoadUntravelled Jul 2020 #15
2naSalit Jul 2020 #17
EllieBC Jul 2020 #24
EllieBC Jul 2020 #23
TexasTowelie Jul 2020 #32
EllieBC Jul 2020 #48
TexasTowelie Jul 2020 #52
herding cats Jul 2020 #26
Steelrolled Jul 2020 #33
PoindexterOglethorpe Jul 2020 #28
tinrobot Jul 2020 #34
TCJ70 Jul 2020 #35
kairos12 Jul 2020 #40
uponit7771 Jul 2020 #55
Aristus Jul 2020 #53
yuiyoshida Jul 2020 #54
Mosby Jul 2020 #56

Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Sun Jul 26, 2020, 09:46 PM

1. It will have to be approved by someone outside of the Trump administration

CDC has become politicized. People think the FDA has or will become politicized too.

We will need a new administration before people will feel safe taking a vaccination approved by the FDA.

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Response to Sanity Claws (Reply #1)

Sun Jul 26, 2020, 09:49 PM

2. That. There is no chance I trust dump or anyone in his admin.

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Response to Sanity Claws (Reply #1)

Sun Jul 26, 2020, 09:51 PM

4. That's where most people sit on the issue. Await approval by a trusted agency like the EMA.

The toady Redfield has destroyed the CDC. The FDA was captured a long time ago.

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Response to Sanity Claws (Reply #1)

Sun Jul 26, 2020, 10:27 PM

13. Why are you afraid of a harmless bleach injection?

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Response to ret5hd (Reply #13)

Sun Jul 26, 2020, 11:24 PM

14. Hahahahaha!



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Response to ret5hd (Reply #13)

Mon Jul 27, 2020, 12:48 PM

49. +1

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Response to Sanity Claws (Reply #1)

Mon Jul 27, 2020, 12:32 AM

27. And it will be so expensive only the well off can afford it.

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Response to Sanity Claws (Reply #1)

Mon Jul 27, 2020, 12:31 PM

42. Trump's staffers have been releasing propaganda on CDC letterhead.

CDC has been bypassed completely.

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Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Sun Jul 26, 2020, 09:49 PM

3. Fingers crossed Europe has the vaccine first.

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Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Sun Jul 26, 2020, 09:51 PM

5. You can't educate the anti-vaxers

They are already gone.

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Response to underpants (Reply #5)

Sun Jul 26, 2020, 09:58 PM

6. Than no one can save them....

Those who refuse it may die...but hey, Republicans say.."I could be hit by a truck crossing the street some day, so I will take my chances than putting some crap into my system!"

that crap may save your damn life... geeze.

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Response to yuiyoshida (Reply #6)

Sun Jul 26, 2020, 10:20 PM

12. I will take my chances than putting some crap into my system!"

They say while chugging a Bud Lite

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Response to underpants (Reply #5)

Mon Jul 27, 2020, 12:32 PM

43. Smart people will get vaccinated and MAGATS will die.

Yes, that will harm herd immunity, but overall, the herd culls itself and we end up better off.

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Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Sun Jul 26, 2020, 09:59 PM

7. I would be very apprenhensive about taking a vaccination that is being rushed.

It wouldn't be because I was afraid of COVID, but because I would be worried about other possible side effects.

Remember all the people that rushed out to buy Betamax when ultimately it was VHS that became the standard at that time?

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Response to TexasTowelie (Reply #7)

Sun Jul 26, 2020, 11:33 PM

16. Haste makes waste!

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Response to TexasTowelie (Reply #7)

Mon Jul 27, 2020, 01:11 AM

30. I definitely would be holding back on it, I won't be a guinea pig. nt

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Response to TexasTowelie (Reply #7)

Mon Jul 27, 2020, 10:14 AM

36. It isn't a zero-sum game

It's isn't the risk of the vaccine vs. nothing. It's the risk of the vaccine vs. the pandemic continuing and people (including maybe you) getting sick. This illness has a lot of long-lasting effects on people. It's more dangerous than any vaccine that's had safety testing, and this vaccine is getting safety testing.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #36)

Mon Jul 27, 2020, 01:32 PM

51. I'm already considered in a high risk group for the following factors:

1) I'm an insulin-dependent diabetic who has had that disease for over two decades.
2) My age -- over 50.
3) I live with my brother who is also a respiratory therapist who is in contact with COVID -19 patients.

Even if a vaccine is safety-tested, I would wait to take it since the side effects might not be present until months or even years after the vaccine is administered. The articles I read have stated that it might require two or more injections in order to be effective and that it might require additional injections periodically similar to having to take a flu vaccination each year.

I'm not going to jump to be the near the front of the line. I'll be patient, read the information about the vaccine including medical journals since I have a reasonably strong science background (courses in biochemistry and pharmacology), and have friends that have expertise that exceeds my background. Meanwhile, I'll continue to practice social distancing and wearing facial coverings which I have done since early March. I can't eliminate the risks that I face living with my brother, but I don't see myself having any significant social interactions with anyone else for the remainder of 2020 so the chances that I would be spreading the virus are also extremely small.

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Response to TexasTowelie (Reply #7)

Mon Jul 27, 2020, 12:33 PM

44. Beta had a much better picture.

But VHS could hold 6 hours of grainy porn.

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Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Sun Jul 26, 2020, 10:01 PM

8. Challenge them to wear masks now.

Because masks don't carry micro-chips that can be tracked by NORAD.

Their heads will assplode.

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Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Sun Jul 26, 2020, 10:02 PM

9. Then they are f**king idiots. It isn't a live vaccine. While there may be side effects from such a

vaccine, it isnít going to give them SARS COV2. It may not be as effective as some would like though, 50% effective perhaps, so people should still wear masks in public

Because of the misinformation trump and his thugs have pushed, perhaps 20% of the populace has a problem with masks

I suspect the same percentage would apply to getting a vaccine.

If respected people such as Fauci endorse it, I think most will take the vaccine




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Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Sun Jul 26, 2020, 10:05 PM

10. I was active duty military in 1976, forced to receive swine flu vaccination

that had already killed people.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/long-shadow-1976-swine-flu-vaccine-fiasco-180961994/

I prefer to wait until weíre sure the vaccine wonít kill people.

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Response to Cirque du So-What (Reply #10)

Sun Jul 26, 2020, 11:43 PM

19. As was I

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Response to Cirque du So-What (Reply #10)

Mon Jul 27, 2020, 10:16 AM

37. That was when they used a live vaccine

and even with a live vaccine it only made 450 people sick out of the 45 million who got the vaccine. And it isn't a zero-sum game. It's the risk of the vaccine vs. the risk of not having the vaccine, which is much higher with this illness.

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Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Sun Jul 26, 2020, 10:08 PM

11. We actually don't know that it will be better to taket the vaccine than not.

It will depend on whether the vaccine they deveop is safe and effective. At this point, there are no guarantees.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #11)

Sun Jul 26, 2020, 11:40 PM

18. Following you on this. You've been a beacon of truth and impartial info

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Response to Arazi (Reply #18)

Sun Jul 26, 2020, 11:46 PM

20. I'm hopeful that it will be safe and effective -

but I'll make my decision based on research that is available once they have developed it.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #11)

Sun Jul 26, 2020, 11:55 PM

21. I expect the FDA will make the decision on this and will trust that.

I will likely participate in the trial if I can. I have followed this closely, and see no political influence at the technical level.

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Response to Steelrolled (Reply #21)

Sun Jul 26, 2020, 11:57 PM

22. I will wait and review the resesarch myself. n/t

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #22)

Mon Jul 27, 2020, 12:08 AM

25. I read everything I can.

I read Moderna's full phase 1 results a week or so ago.

But in the end i have to trust the FDA, and don't have a problem with that.

If I participate in the trial, I will be running on faith. I have no idea whether it would be difficult to get a spot in the trial (i.e. all spots will be taken immediately) or easy. I still have not seen a list of the 90 (or so) trial sites.

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Response to Steelrolled (Reply #25)

Mon Jul 27, 2020, 12:47 AM

29. I never trust anyone else where my health is concerned.

Too many disasters, or near disasters, where the only reason we got the right treatment was my independent resesarch.

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Response to Steelrolled (Reply #25)

Mon Jul 27, 2020, 01:43 AM

31. Under Trump, no way would I trust the FDA

We have seen the mess the CDC has become.

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Response to womanofthehills (Reply #31)

Mon Jul 27, 2020, 12:36 PM

45. CDC has been bypassed - Trump staffers are releasing their own propaganda on CDC letterhead.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #11)

Mon Jul 27, 2020, 10:17 AM

38. That's why it's being tested - to make sure it's safe and effective. nt

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Response to gollygee (Reply #38)

Mon Jul 27, 2020, 12:27 PM

39. I don't trust without verification, ever -

But especially not now, when trump has filled lead positions in critical agencies with political appointees, and even some ordinarily reliable voices initially remained silent in the face of lies, or were complicit in spreading false information.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #39)

Mon Jul 27, 2020, 12:31 PM

41. What do you mean by verified?

The testing isn't complete until it's verified.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #41)

Mon Jul 27, 2020, 12:37 PM

46. Verified by non-Trumpers.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #46)

Mon Jul 27, 2020, 12:40 PM

47. The main virus I've been reading about is out of the UK

and I'm sure we'll be given the data on the testing because people are so skeptical.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #41)

Mon Jul 27, 2020, 01:20 PM

50. I do my own independent research, and reach my own conclusions.

I will review the published studies, read critiques, study the theory if, as anticipated it may not be a clone of existing vaccines.

A good example is that all relevant US groups now recommend statins automatically for all type 2 diabetics. That is certainly easier than making the tougher individualized assessments necessary to individually manage CVD risk. But statins are not innocuous. I'm addition to blocking the production of cholesterol, they also block the production of other compounds that are essential to heart (and other) health. For many people with diabetes cholesterol is a more significant risk, and statins are necessary. But not all cholesterol is the same. When I look at European recommendations, they are more refined (i.e. It is not an all or nothing recommendation) And when I drop down another layer to look directly at the risk factors, I have not, in the entire time I have had diabetes, even come close to the level of dangerous cholesterol that would decrease my CVD risk by taking statins, and it might even increase it.

So doctor's recommendation: statins - all the relevant U.S. Orgs say they are safe, and you need them.
Independent verification: nope. Not a good risk fit for me. I'm tracking my cholesterol, and if/when that changes, we'll revisit it.

As to the vaccines, without having any details yet, since there are so many in the pipeline, at a minimum, it has to be safe (so I will be carefully reviewing side effects) and at least 50% effective. Beyond that, it has to use a mechanism that makes scientific sense.

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Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Sun Jul 26, 2020, 11:29 PM

15. Once the process gets through the human trials safely and they say it's a go it will still take a

long time before they've got enough vaccines. Health care workers and first responders will likely be the first ones to get the vaccines. By the time they are ready for the rest of us to get them we should have a pretty good idea of whether they're safe.

At this point though, I'd rather get a vaccine from a country in Europe or even Canada. But that may not be possible.
I've been thinking about this a lot. It could happen that travel outside the country will not be permitted without proof of vaccination for Covid19 due to countries that have it under control not wanting unvaccinated people around.

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Response to NoRoadUntravelled (Reply #15)

Sun Jul 26, 2020, 11:37 PM

17. +1

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Response to NoRoadUntravelled (Reply #15)

Mon Jul 27, 2020, 12:02 AM

24. I think most countries are going to go with the one that's

most effective and ready first.

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Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Mon Jul 27, 2020, 12:01 AM

23. You can't. We can't get the hippy organic craft artisan

types or the super duper Christian types to get their kids vaccinated up here. And the provincial government wonít make it mandatory for school.

So the crunchy organic hippy craft brew artisan granola types will continue to hang out with the religious fanatics in the I Hate Big Pharma And Love Measles tent.

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Response to EllieBC (Reply #23)

Mon Jul 27, 2020, 01:55 AM

32. I recall that several years ago,

that people on DU were critical of Gov. Rick Perry's push for young women to get the HPV vaccine saying that it was a violation of their rights. While HPV is far less serious than the coronavirus, I certainly understand why some people are rushing to the front of the line for vaccine trials. Thirty years ago when I was in better health I might have volunteered, but since I have a chronic disease and other health issues I'm willing to be patient even if that means that I have isolate myself or continue practicing social distancing.

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Response to TexasTowelie (Reply #32)

Mon Jul 27, 2020, 12:43 PM

48. HPV can kill you and spread.

The sort of weird thing is is that the gross strains of HPV that caused the warts are not actually the deadly strains. The vaccine covers the deadly strains that cause cancer.

I can understand a little reluctance to get a vax fresh in the market though. However there are STILL people fighting getting it. Which is ridiculous.

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Response to EllieBC (Reply #48)

Mon Jul 27, 2020, 02:24 PM

52. Almost every activity can be lethal.

The other night I went to the laundry room to retrieve my clothing and I had a hypoglycemic reaction and nearly didn't make it back to the apartment which is about 30 yards away. I've also had an idiot swerve and try to hit me while riding my bike.

At some point, I will do the research and weigh the risk/benefit aspect and also consider my duty to society by getting vaccinated. That applies to both the HPV vaccine and a potential COVID vaccine.

I've lived more than a decade longer than the average lifespan for someone in my demographic group. If some disease or medical condition affects me, then my only request is that I receive medical treatment to reduce any pain associated with that condition. While I don't have a death wish, the only event that I would like to attend in the distant future is the bicentennial of my college alma mater in 2040. Otherwise, I'm mentally and morally prepared to accept whatever fate is in store for me.

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Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Mon Jul 27, 2020, 12:16 AM

26. Once a vaccine is approved and available, I will take it.

This is serious stuff, and I'm taking the old polio approach with this virus and vaccine. I doubt the first one will be "the one" but I'll do what I can to slow it down until the perfect vaccine exists.

We have to slow this virus down. Even before we can even begin to dream of controlling it. I'm doing what I can now, but any approved vaccine will also be a layer in my arsenal against this virus.

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Response to herding cats (Reply #26)

Mon Jul 27, 2020, 10:00 AM

33. I'm with you

The Anti-vax 2.0 talk is disturbing, and I hope it is just talk, but I guess it would be a fitting follow-up to American's handling of COVID-19.

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Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Mon Jul 27, 2020, 12:46 AM

28. Personally, I will be slow to take the vaccine.

The first, and most important reason is that I'll want to know it's a good and effective vaccine. And even if it is,
Second, I am someone who needs to be at the end of the line for the vaccine. I'm retired. Staying home is easy for me. There are many, many people who need to be ahead of me in line to get the vaccine.

So yeah, I'll be getting it months after it's released.

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Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Mon Jul 27, 2020, 10:04 AM

34. If Donald Trump is promoting it, then, yes, I'll be wary.

It's sad that it may come to that.

Hopefully, experts will provide enough information for a more rational decision.

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Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Mon Jul 27, 2020, 10:06 AM

35. My thing is...all of this is new.

COVID-19 is new...the vaccine will be new...the whole situation is new.

The vaccines I got, and my kids will get, are not new. They were used for decades before I got them and proven safe. I canít say that for this one. So Iíll wait until I feel this new one is safe.

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Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Mon Jul 27, 2020, 12:30 PM

40. I think any vaccine that appears as an October surprise

will be suspect as Trump snake oil.

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Response to kairos12 (Reply #40)

Mon Jul 27, 2020, 03:58 PM

55. +1, I mean at some point we have to not take a default thought process when it comes to Trump

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Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Mon Jul 27, 2020, 02:28 PM

53. Patient education regarding vaccines rarely works.

Take it from me. Anti-vaxxers got a world of shit into their heads, and they will defend to the death anyone's attempt to shovel the shit back out.

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Response to Aristus (Reply #53)

Mon Jul 27, 2020, 03:49 PM

54. "They will defend to the death..."

Death or being maimed for the rest of their lives.. from lung scaring and other side effects of the Covid 19 virus.

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Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

Mon Jul 27, 2020, 03:59 PM

56. 1976 swine flu

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/12/1/05-1007_article

Read it.

If the indemnify the manufacturer, I'm not taking it.

That simple, stand behind your work, or not.

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