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TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
Mon Jul 27, 2020, 03:24 AM Jul 2020

China wants a Trump second term...

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/27/a-trump-second-term-could-give-china-an-advantage-analyst-says.html

“The reason is that at least, thus far, the way the Trump administration has acted and the perception internationally of that administration and what you see going on domestically inside the United States and the polarization inside the United States gives Beijing an advantage,” said Rodger Baker, senior vice president of strategic analysis at Stratfor, a consultancy.
What Beijing would really fear is a concerted U.S. policy and a coordinated international policy that constrains China, he added.
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Basically-- they like a fucked up US administration. Gives them more freedom for their machinations around the world.

And, for those on the left who hated the TPP-- this is what you get.
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China wants a Trump second term... (Original Post) TreasonousBastard Jul 2020 OP
K&R, uponit7771 Jul 2020 #1
This has approximately zero to do with the Voltaire2 Jul 2020 #2
This has everything to do with the TPP which was designed to counter Chinese expansion... TreasonousBastard Jul 2020 #5
Ask Senator Clinton. Voltaire2 Jul 2020 #10
I Doubt It ProfessorGAC Jul 2020 #3
If I Recall Correctly... DAngelo136 Jul 2020 #4
The secrecy argument is moot now that it's been released. Of course, the whole thing... TreasonousBastard Jul 2020 #6
I doubt that Johnny2X2X Jul 2020 #7
Putin and China both support trump Gothmog Jul 2020 #8
Makes no sense Steelrolled Jul 2020 #9
yup. idiotic theory is idiotic. Voltaire2 Jul 2020 #11

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
5. This has everything to do with the TPP which was designed to counter Chinese expansion...
Mon Jul 27, 2020, 08:22 AM
Jul 2020

And just what were those fatal flaws?

Voltaire2

(12,957 posts)
10. Ask Senator Clinton.
Mon Jul 27, 2020, 11:11 AM
Jul 2020

On October 7, 2015, Clinton said she does not support the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) trade deal, putting her at odds with President Barack Obama and his administration. In an interview with PBS Newshour, she said she was concerned that the deal would not do enough to create jobs, raise wages for Americans, and advance national security. “As of today, I am not in favor of what I have learned about it,” Clinton said. She added, “I don’t believe it’s going to meet the high bar I have set."

https://ballotpedia.org/2016_presidential_candidates_on_the_Trans-Pacific_Partnership_trade_deal


ProfessorGAC

(64,852 posts)
3. I Doubt It
Mon Jul 27, 2020, 07:04 AM
Jul 2020

Given their marriage to broad economic growth & liberation I think a cogent international relationship involving the US is in their interest.
They're balancing risks & benefits for either outcome, and I think the one showing PINO the door is the best for them.

DAngelo136

(264 posts)
4. If I Recall Correctly...
Mon Jul 27, 2020, 07:04 AM
Jul 2020

There was too much secrecy surrounding the TPP.
You can't criticize the rejection since we don't know what was in it.

1. https://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/economy-budget/295365-secrecy-democracy-and-the-tpp-trade-transparency-is-what

"The TPP is the biggest trade deal in a generation, involving agreements with 12 countries and affecting 40 percent of the world’s economy. Despite its significance, the TPP has been carried out behind doors closed to the public, although representatives from business interests had direct access to the texts and the ability to influence the agreement.

Restrictions were also put on members of Congress: if they wanted to view TPP while it was in negotiation, they were threatened with prosecution if they talked about it."



2. https://www.cnn.com/2015/06/11/politics/trade-deal-secrecy-tpp/index.html
"Two copies of the biggest free trade deal in history are sitting in reading rooms -- one at each end of the Capitol.

The document is classified. Only members of Congress and staffers with security clearance can access it. And they can't make copies or even carry their own handwritten notes out the door.
This is how trade negotiations work. Fearful that they'll undercut their own negotiators, leaders of the countries involved don't want the details of what they're hashing out revealed until the full package is completed. And it's at the heart of the biggest criticism opponents of the deal have made publicly: the secrecy surrounding it."

A trade treaty without transparency? I don't give a damn if it's the Bobby Bonilla buyout on steroids. If I can't read it; I won't sign off on it.

And there was good reason to reject it: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/11/release-full-tpp-text-after-five-years-secrecy-confirms-threats-users-rights
" Some of the more dangerous threats to the public's rights to free expression, access to knowledge, and privacy online are contained in the copyright provisions in the Intellectual Property (IP) chapter, which we analyzed based on the final version leaked by Wikileaks two weeks ago and which are unchanged in the final release. Now that the entire agreement is published, we can see how other chapters of the agreement contain further harmful rules that undermine our rights online and over our digital devices and content."


TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
6. The secrecy argument is moot now that it's been released. Of course, the whole thing...
Mon Jul 27, 2020, 08:37 AM
Jul 2020

is moot now.

And with such a major agreement, why not do initial negotiations in secret? Open talks invite every jerk to interject irrelevancies and personal biases.

EFFs objections are well said, but how are end users rights any better now without an agreement?

Even if flawed, without any agreement at all Asia will soon be dominated by China. Is this what we want?



Johnny2X2X

(18,969 posts)
7. I doubt that
Mon Jul 27, 2020, 08:39 AM
Jul 2020

China has a plan, their plan works better with a functioning US government. China (unlike Trump) does not see global politics and economics as a zero sum game. They'd much rather have a US partner than an adversary.

 

Steelrolled

(2,022 posts)
9. Makes no sense
Mon Jul 27, 2020, 09:38 AM
Jul 2020

When I see articles that make extraordinary claims I've got to look at what is behind it. In this case, there isn't much - a consultancy that is probably looking for business. AKA click bait.

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