I already know the Biden/Harris conservative talking point

[Proud liberal 80]

“This is the guy that wrote the 1993 crime bill and she is the former Attorney General of California. They have put more black people in prison than anyone, and blah blah blah”.....

so now the “law and order” party is going to be so concerned about black people and the criminal justice system....

And unfortunately there are going to be some liberals and black people who are going to criticize the ticket for this reason, as if the alternative is somehow better...smh

[RockRaven]

1. Probably better than the VP having a pro-Trump adult son, which if DU posts are to be believed

is the case of a different alleged short-lister...

No matter who Biden chooses, there will be a predictable line of attack. If the American people actually fall for it and Trump gets re-elected then the USA deserves our ash-heap of history moment sooner rather than later.

[Sugarcoated]

2. Which VP candidate has a pro-Trump son?

Rice?

[Proud liberal 80]

6. Yep

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/10/15/susan-rices-son-is-a-trump-loving-republican-he-says-a-stanford-classmate-assaulted-him-at-pro-kavanaugh-event/%3foutputType=amp

[Sugarcoated]

7. That links to Wash Post which I can't access

[Proud liberal 80]

8. Just google

John David Rice-Cameron

Crazy how someone can have a Susan Rice as a mother and be that much of a right winger. I can understand being Republican and/or Conservative, but not a far right crazy. But honestly, I guess that’s all that’s left now if you consider yourself conservative

[Sugarcoated]

11. I did.

Yuk...damn

[RockRaven]

10. According to posts I've seen here, yes, but I've not looked into it myself.

As for peoples' sources on that, I know nothing useful.

My point in bringing it up is to say that the right wing smear machine will be in full effect no matter who the VP is. That part is unavoidable.

But those smears are not entirely unpredictable, depending on the candidate, and so should not be ignored when deciding. Consider the smears, without mindlessly capitulating to them. But some realism/pragmatism is warranted.

[jcgoldie]

3. so what

Democrats shouldn't make choices based on the bullshit Republicans will throw. They do not set our agenda.

[Proud liberal 80]

5. I agree

I am just stating that I already know their predictable talking point.

[sarcasmo]

4. Val Demings former Orlando police chief is my current pick.

[JI7]

9. It's mainly white people who claim to be on the left who blame Black women for the problems in the

justice system. These people supported Trump over clinton in 2016.

The black people who have a problem with it are mostly black men who don't want to vote for a women and are probably even more critical of black women . They didn't support Stacey Abrams either.

Anyways , it's not going to be black people you have to worry about. They can already see through the bs.

[betsuni]

14. +1

[StarfishSaver]

16. Everything you just said

[Sogo]

12. All blacks want is to get Trump outta the WH first and foremost!

And if South Carolina taught us anything, it's that they love Joe Biden.

It's the Presidential vote that will matter this election; not so much VP.

It's hard not to be nervous about the election, I know, but Joe's VP pick is not going to have the effect you're claiming, and besides, there are downsides to every one of the possible VP candidates.

I think first and foremost, Biden will pick someone with whom he feels he can work closely. He's been in that position and knows what it takes - to give a lot of support to the President. He wants someone who he feels will be a big support for the BIG job ahead of cleaning up after Trump and someone to whom he can offload some projects. Let him have the space to decide those things.

ByeDon 2020....

[Proud liberal 80]

13. I am black

And of course 99% of the people in my family are political educated and want Trump gone. But we have some knuckleheads (a few of our younger early 20’s male family members)...who want to act like they know politics and always bring up the crime bill and Kamala’s AG record...can’t get through to them, they just regurgitate what they may have heard somewhere...,they aren’t big into politics or the news, and I wouldn’t label them conservatives (Matter fact they have liberal views), they are just stupid and are taking being Woke to a whole new level

[Sogo]

15. So, are you saying that Harris as VP nomination will keep them from voting for Joe

and/or voting at all, or cause them to vote for someone else (as in third party)?

The person I heard say that blacks want Trump gone above all is Joy Reid. And like you, she said her kids, who are Bernie supporters, want someone more progressive to vote for. I don't know what she is saying about her kids now, given the current state of affairs (I haven't listened to her new show), but maybe if those kids hear how much Bernie is actually working with Joe now, and how progressive the Dem platform has become (M4A, for example), they'll feel better about turning out. I hope so!

[Proud liberal 80]

17. They would probably not vote at all

Doubt that they would vote for Trump...they will use the “both are the same” line and “Democrats don’t do anything for Black people”...in an attempt to show their wokeness

But again, they are definitely the small minority.

Edit: hell, the more I think about it, they would use those lines with everyone who is on the short list.

[Sogo]

18. Well, you know, I don't know what ages your kids are, but if they don't vote,

they will be following the usual pattern of low turnout of young voters.

I hope they can find a reason to vote blue, though....

[betsuni]

19. Yes, but hopefully it won't be as vigorous as previous attempts

to label the Democratic nominee as "the REAL racist." Some young people unfamiliar with politics fell for that.

The misinformation about Harris is all lined up and ready to go. Even here, it had to be debunked after she announced her candidacy and it flooded the Internet. But of course it will happen to some extent to whoever is the nominee.

[herding cats]

20. Which is less bad than some other potential picks.

I'm fine with her if that's where we land. Honest, I'm fine with a ham sandwich as VP. It's IQ would probably be more than Pence, and it would definitely own the popularity round.