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turbinetree

(24,688 posts)
Thu Jul 30, 2020, 05:32 PM Jul 2020

Three questions on US troops moving from Germany

John R. Deni
1 hour ago

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Earlier today [July 29], Secretary of Defense Mark Esper conducted a press conference on forward presence in Europe. Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. John Hyten and U.S. European Command commander Gen. Tod Wolters (by video feed) joined him. This follows on the heels of an announcement in June that the United States would be reducing the number of troops based in Germany. Here are three critical questions and answers regarding these two events:

1. Does the withdraw of U.S. troops from Germany fulfill the “five principles” outlined by the defense secretary in guidance provided to EUCOM following the June 2020 announcement?

A. Enhance deterrence — It is strikingly counterintuitive that a withdrawal of U.S. forward-based forces in Europe coupled with an increase in rotational Army deployments to southeastern Europe would strengthen deterrence. Of course, deterrence is in the eye of the beholder, and there is no certain way to know how Russia will perceive this. However, it is probably obvious to them, as it is to our allies, that when the United States forward stations troops in allied countries — with families — it represents a far stronger, more enduring, even bipartisan commitment to deterrence and a clearer signal of what Washington is willing to shed blood over. This is what our own allies tell us, in private and public. More broadly, given the president’s rhetoric regarding Germany and the fact that all of the announced troop moves involve either removing troops from Germany or cancelling plans to place additional troops in Germany, the United States risks sending the unmistakeable message to Russia that there is a deep cleavage currently existing within the trans-Atlantic community, principally between two of its most powerful members.

B. Strengthen NATO — It seems counterintuitive that the announced troop moves would strengthen NATO. It is possible the proposed shift of EUCOM headquarters from Stuttgart to Mons would improve coordination between NATO HQ and EUCOM HQ. Beyond that, though, it appears far more likely that the rebasing of troops — especially the 2nd Stryker Cavalry Regiment currently based in Vilseck, Germany — will weaken interoperability among the allies, as there will be fewer long-term unit partnerships between Europe-based U.S. forces and their European counterparts. Just as the United States experienced in Iraq and Afghanistan when it relied on nine- or 12-month combat rotations, units that have been rotationally deployed to Europe have found that by the time they begin to know and understand the region, their host nation, their host nation counterparts, and the adversary’s operations, their rotation ends and they return to the United States.

https://www.militarytimes.com/opinion/commentary/2020/07/30/3-questions-on-us-troops-rebasing-from-germany/

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Three questions on US troops moving from Germany (Original Post) turbinetree Jul 2020 OP
Germany, since WWII, has been the line in the sand Chainfire Jul 2020 #1
Yepper spot on................ turbinetree Jul 2020 #2

Chainfire

(17,515 posts)
1. Germany, since WWII, has been the line in the sand
Thu Jul 30, 2020, 06:32 PM
Jul 2020

Protecting Western Europe from Soviet and Russian incursion. Removing our troops is a huge gift to Putin and Russia. Without a strong American presence and assistance, the Russians have an open road to achieve their long-term goal of European domination. Trump is either a traitor or a damn fool; take your pick. Actions taken out of childish spite by our child-like leader can have repercussions decades down the road.

Trump has to go.

turbinetree

(24,688 posts)
2. Yepper spot on................
Thu Jul 30, 2020, 06:34 PM
Jul 2020

His reasoning for doing this is because he has been wailing that Germany doesn't pay there NATO bills.............I firmly believe he is a traitor...............he has done nothing about those Russian bounties...............

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