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soothsayer

(38,601 posts)
Thu Jul 30, 2020, 09:26 PM Jul 2020

Apparently Trump crossed some kind of line with Republicans with his postponing of elections which i


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Apparently Trump crossed some kind of line with Republicans with his postponing of elections which is odd considering he has been floating this idea for over a year. I did not think one of the founders of Federalist would call him a fascist and call for immediate impeachment

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/30/opinion/trump-delay-election-coronavirus.html

With this said every person who speaks out forcefully is exactly what is needed. We cannot allow trump to normalize a dictatorship and must stop him
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Apparently Trump crossed some kind of line with Republicans with his postponing of elections which i (Original Post) soothsayer Jul 2020 OP
They are only speaking out since it could hurt them too. BigmanPigman Jul 2020 #1
We need to realize that there are long-standing memes in the RW fever swamps stopbush Jul 2020 #2
Except that he's been suggesting that for at least a year - Ms. Toad Jul 2020 #4
Steven Calabresi beginning to think maybe Trump not such a good idea. mahatmakanejeeves Jul 2020 #3
Right! soothsayer Jul 2020 #5
He also lost the Mercer's this week. dewsgirl Jul 2020 #7
Link me,please? herding cats Jul 2020 #21
Link Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2020 #23
Thank you! herding cats Jul 2020 #24
Wrong place. herding cats Jul 2020 #26
Ugh. Paywall. herding cats Jul 2020 #27
"They're 100% out" Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2020 #31
Thank you for both the snips and the advice. herding cats Jul 2020 #32
Stinks too bad even for the Mercers!?! calimary Jul 2020 #34
Sorry I wasn't able to answer myself, I had a busy evening dewsgirl Jul 2020 #41
Interesting. They didn't show up in any June campaign contributions. But he kinda lost them in 2018 Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2020 #22
If Trump kills elections, he kills the GOP too C_U_L8R Jul 2020 #6
I'm keeping my eye on the prize.. stillcool Jul 2020 #8
I think her point is that he'll back down if he gets shouted down soothsayer Jul 2020 #9
yeah...I agree it's a good thing... stillcool Jul 2020 #10
As well you should soothsayer Jul 2020 #12
I'm sure Susan Collins is all upset mdbl Jul 2020 #36
Republicans are only pissed because Trump is now destroying their chances SpaceNeedle Jul 2020 #11
I'll still take people turning on him soothsayer Jul 2020 #13
Me too ... every vote for Biden counts SpaceNeedle Jul 2020 #14
Trump crossed a line some time ago because he is a boat anchor Jarqui Jul 2020 #15
Don't worry; be happy. Susan Collins says he's learned a lesson. NNadir Jul 2020 #16
this country needs to come together for an exorcism SiliconValley_Dem Jul 2020 #17
and just think about that. orleans Jul 2020 #25
The line he crossed... jcgoldie Jul 2020 #18
Well said MLAA Jul 2020 #19
Totally agree. It's a sliver of opportunity for some to distance themselves JDC Jul 2020 #29
Trump crossed the line years ago. mdbl Jul 2020 #35
+1 uponit7771 Jul 2020 #42
They're just ticked off he's breaking what they've built for all these decades. herding cats Jul 2020 #20
Gee, I guess he thought we were making it all up or something. NellieStarbuck Jul 2020 #28
They are just rats finding a way off a sinking ship. Scruffy1 Jul 2020 #30
And we better make sure no one forgets that! calimary Jul 2020 #33
I'm just glad there is a line! TomSlick Jul 2020 #37
All I learned from this was PNW-Dem Jul 2020 #38
a more complicated reason they are royally pissed and would shout it down yellowdogintexas Jul 2020 #39
Because to them, less people being able to cast votes is what they want misanthrope Jul 2020 #40
They want it to be drmeow Jul 2020 #43

BigmanPigman

(51,582 posts)
1. They are only speaking out since it could hurt them too.
Thu Jul 30, 2020, 09:35 PM
Jul 2020

If it only hurt the Dems' reelection it would be applauded. Since it could hurt their chances of keeping seats they are admonishing it. tRump care about himself, not them. He is doing this for his own reelection and doesn't care about holding seats for the GOP at this point.

stopbush

(24,395 posts)
2. We need to realize that there are long-standing memes in the RW fever swamps
Thu Jul 30, 2020, 09:36 PM
Jul 2020

that assert Ds are looking to steal/delay elections. The idea that Obama would not leave office after his second term ended was gospel in these circles. Totally unfounded, but nevertheless, accepted as some hidden truth.

So when tRump overtly suggests delaying the election, well, they hear their worst fears.

Ms. Toad

(34,057 posts)
4. Except that he's been suggesting that for at least a year -
Thu Jul 30, 2020, 09:39 PM
Jul 2020

What is different today is he's talking about delaying the election.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,376 posts)
3. Steven Calabresi beginning to think maybe Trump not such a good idea.
Thu Jul 30, 2020, 09:39 PM
Jul 2020

I just read that tweet.

SuburbanWhitestyleDreamHat Retweeted

When arch conservative law professor Steven Calabresi, who blasted the Mueller investigation as "unconstitutional," calls Donald Trump a fascist and suggests that his recent tweet is grounds for his immediate impeachment and removal, that is really something.



Steven G. Calabresi

{snip}

Biography

Calabresi graduated from the Moses Brown School in Providence, Rhode Island in 1976. He then attended Yale College, graduating cum laude in 1980. He received his J.D. degree from Yale Law School, where he was the Note & Topics Editor of the Yale Law Journal. After law school, he served as law clerk for Judge Ralph K. Winter of the US Appellate Court, Second Circuit, Judge Robert H. Bork of the D.C. Circuit, and Justice Antonin Scalia of the United States Supreme Court.

While at Yale Law School, Calabresi and two Yale College friends, Lee Liberman Otis and David McIntosh, founded the Yale chapter of the Federalist Society, one of three original chapters of the Society. In 2019, he was chairman of the Society's board of directors. Calabresi is an active libertarian-conservative author and commentator.

Calabresi joined the faculty of Northwestern Law School in 1990, and has taught there since then. He has been a visiting professor at Yale Law School (in the Fall semesters of 2013, 2014, 2015, and 2016), and a Visiting Professor of Political Theory at Brown University, where he has taught since 2010.

{snip}

herding cats

(19,558 posts)
21. Link me,please?
Thu Jul 30, 2020, 11:13 PM
Jul 2020

I missed it and would love to bask in that for a moment!

Rats are desperately (too late) trying to flee the sinking ship.

herding cats

(19,558 posts)
27. Ugh. Paywall.
Thu Jul 30, 2020, 11:35 PM
Jul 2020

I subscribe to many things, but I cannot afford to subscribe to all the things. Might I ask for a few snips? I truly want to read more about this departure.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,988 posts)
31. "They're 100% out"
Thu Jul 30, 2020, 11:55 PM
Jul 2020

Turn your browser tracker protection on & cookie blocker. It let me read the article

Robert and Rebekah Mercer ranked among President Donald Trump's most influential backers in 2016. But they've all but abandoned the embattled president and aren't likely to help him in the home stretch for 2020, five people who know the media-averse Mercers tell Insider. "They're 100, 100, 100% out," an associate of Rebekah Mercer said.

But in 2019 and 2020, the Mercers have fallen off the megadonor list. Their lone contribution toward Trump's reelection came on February 14, when Robert Mercer sent a $355,200 valentine to Trump Victory — a joint fundraising entity that splits money among the Trump presidential campaign, the Republican National Committee, and 22 state Republican committees. Of that, Trump's committee got only $5,600, the legal maximum for a primary and general election combined.

Rebekah Mercer, who has herself spread hundreds of thousands of dollars among dozens of Republican committees over the years, hasn't given a cent to Trump's reelection cause.


dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
41. Sorry I wasn't able to answer myself, I had a busy evening
Fri Jul 31, 2020, 06:30 AM
Jul 2020

I'm happy so many were here to help you with the link.
I read it a few days ago and was a bit stunned, I'm so happy people are FINALLY starting to turn on him, it's taken long enough.

C_U_L8R

(44,996 posts)
6. If Trump kills elections, he kills the GOP too
Thu Jul 30, 2020, 09:43 PM
Jul 2020

They shouldn't be surprised. You're either an appointed magat stooge or you're nobody.

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
8. I'm keeping my eye on the prize..
Thu Jul 30, 2020, 09:46 PM
Jul 2020

it's nice to see some of the GOP reporting come to Jeezus moments, but their words are empty.

soothsayer

(38,601 posts)
9. I think her point is that he'll back down if he gets shouted down
Thu Jul 30, 2020, 09:50 PM
Jul 2020

Otherwise he’ll feel emboldened.

So it’s good when they don’t remain silent or otherwise enable him. More voices against him and his plans are good and welcome.

Something like that.

mdbl

(4,973 posts)
36. I'm sure Susan Collins is all upset
Fri Jul 31, 2020, 12:19 AM
Jul 2020

She'll do something about I'm sure, like saying "I hope he's learning his lesson"

 

SpaceNeedle

(191 posts)
11. Republicans are only pissed because Trump is now destroying their chances
Thu Jul 30, 2020, 10:25 PM
Jul 2020

It is not because of any rational reason.

In a month, with 200K dead, we'll see repukes running against Trump.

The stupid fucks had a chance to get rid of him during impeachment and they stuck to him. Che sera sera.

orleans

(34,043 posts)
25. and just think about that.
Thu Jul 30, 2020, 11:32 PM
Jul 2020

all this bullshitting around because those assholes voted for him in the first place.

jcgoldie

(11,627 posts)
18. The line he crossed...
Thu Jul 30, 2020, 11:02 PM
Jul 2020

...is that the fucking ship is sinking and they are desperately looking for an excuse to untie the anchor they spent 4 years knotting around their necks.

JDC

(10,122 posts)
29. Totally agree. It's a sliver of opportunity for some to distance themselves
Thu Jul 30, 2020, 11:50 PM
Jul 2020

And try to claim false moral and patriotic high ground to which they have no right.

That window will get wider and more reasons will appear. In short order I would guess as Covid and the economy grows worse and GOP election clouds continue to darken.

mdbl

(4,973 posts)
35. Trump crossed the line years ago.
Fri Jul 31, 2020, 12:17 AM
Jul 2020

It's a little late to say he crossed a line now but better late than never i guess.

herding cats

(19,558 posts)
20. They're just ticked off he's breaking what they've built for all these decades.
Thu Jul 30, 2020, 11:09 PM
Jul 2020

I welcome their dissent, but in this case I recognize it as obvious knee jerk desperation at this far too late hour. Their backbone they've spent all these many years building is crumbling. Because of their own choices to embrace the Tea Baggers and their ilk.

It must suck to be in their shoes. Dogs, fleas and all that.

Scruffy1

(3,254 posts)
30. They are just rats finding a way off a sinking ship.
Thu Jul 30, 2020, 11:54 PM
Jul 2020

They already know that November will be a bloodbath. They are just trying to make themselves look good by distancing themselves from Agent Orange. They are still rats. Their twisted ideology hasn't changed and they are still rats.

yellowdogintexas

(22,250 posts)
39. a more complicated reason they are royally pissed and would shout it down
Fri Jul 31, 2020, 12:44 AM
Jul 2020

If the election is pushed out past Jan 1, every member of Congress on the ballot would not be re elected. There would be no House of Representatives, so no Nancy Pelosi as President.

The next person in the line of succession is the President Pro Tem of the Senate, Senator Patrick Leahey who is not on the ballot this year. There are more Republican seats on the ballot this year than Democratic, so Democrats would have the majority. #MoscowMitch and Cornyn would be out since they are both on the ballot.

We would have the unique situation of being governed by only one Chamber of Congress. Of course it would mean nothing could be done according to the existing rules except appointments which have to be approved by the Senate. It would be an excellent time for RBG to step down

Of course per 25th amendment, the interim or acting president would appoint a vice president which would really be fun to watch.

They would go nuts! They would be shouting back at #45 so loudly they would sound like Question Time in the British Parlaiment

misanthrope

(7,411 posts)
40. Because to them, less people being able to cast votes is what they want
Fri Jul 31, 2020, 01:03 AM
Jul 2020

Trump's fellow gumming up the USPS works is no big deal to the GOP. It follows their wishes. To say you want a delay so that more folks can vote? Not their game plan.

The answer here is that the system needs to be fixed. We need better access now. Mail-in voting can be handled if we want to.

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