Alan Dershowitz has a real problem tonight

[RandySF]

Earlier this evening the unsealing began of evidence from a civil suit involving Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell, one of their victims, and Epstein’s lawyer Alan Dershowitz. The Dershowitz-related evidence is still being released, but it’s already taken a sharply ugly turn for him.

The transcripts from the civil suit allege that Alan Dershowitz sexually abused multiple underage girls, and that Dershowitz witnessed Epstein and other unnamed individuals abusing other girls. The transcripts also allege that after Dershowitz committed these hideous crimes, he wrote the non-prosecution agreement that ensured he, Epstein, and the other co-conspirators wouldn’t be prosecuted.

Dershowitz has long denied that he had any involvement in Epstein’s crime spree. Thus far he’s been quiet on Twitter tonight. Suffice it to say that if these allegations are true and can be proven, Dershowitz is facing a life sentence in prison when all is said and done.



https://www.palmerreport.com/analysis/alan-dershowitz-has-a-real-problem-tonight/31062/

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. Didn't he say he never took off his underwear?

[FoxNewsSucks]

2. Well,

I guess he can take his underwear to jail with him

The sooner the better.

[Dios Mio]

47. Can you hang yourself with a pair of underwear ?

[RandySF]

6. Men's underwear comes with a hole in a strategix spot.

[2naSalit]

12. +1

[BGBD]

16. On that topic

Can we get rid of that? It doesn't really make much sense. I don't know anyone who actually uses it.

[Grokenstein]

24. What, the fly? They sell no-fly men's boxers now.

Got a bunch of Sand Storm brand ones because they were cheap. Turns out they're niiiiiice.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

17. Please don't make me think about Dershowitz in tighty whities

with a strategically-located opening.

[Dios Mio]

48. Should be worn backwards in his case.

[GoneOffShore]

50. Ugly post. Please delete. Rape is not funny.

[TheBlackAdder]

23. Because he never had any on. He went commando. He's a lawyer and gave a technically correct ans. 😂

[aggiesal]

40. Doesn't mean that he can't use other ...

personal appendages to abuse women
Sorry I don't mean to be graphic, but he has a really lame excuse.

[PatSeg]

3. But, but he kept his underwear on!

Oh, a lot of people are really nervous these days.

[BootinUp]

4. holy moly, is this accurate?

[C_U_L8R]

5. That underwear is filling up right about now.

[yonder]

26. Ya sure, ya betcha.

It'd be a good time for him to start getting his affairs in order.

[BootinUp]

7. Fresh from his sleazy defense of trump. nt

[Pachamama]

44. What he does best - defending scum

[grumpyduck]

8. Another fucking asshole who can go straight to hell.

Do not pass go and foggedaboud the hundred dollars.

[Yavin4]

9. And that's why he's an ardent supporter of Trump

He wants a pardon.

[Zambero]

13. Bingo!

[Pachamama]

45. That - and there is a link with Trump, Barr and others in their circle

There was sex trafficking and they were all part of it....

[uponit7771]

58. +1

[sfstaxprep]

10. Palmer Report

They usually make you think they got a big story, and then it turns into nothing.

[mr_lebowski]

22. Allegations made by the plaintiff's lawyers in civil suits are not always true ... shocking I know

And probably just as frequently ARE true, but cannot be substantiated to the level necessary to get a jury to agree in a criminal trial due to different standards re: proof.

I'm certainly not suggesting Dersch isn't guilty as sin, just that accusations in a civil case may or may not be anything to get excited about.

Lordy, I hope there are tapes!

[ForgoTheConsequence]

11. He should be on suicide watch.

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

14. The Palmer Report is often bullshit, but this could be real:

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/7010870-Jane-Doe-Unredacted.html

[Brother Buzz]

34. Palmer plays loose with his analysis, and is often way off target....

but he's a straight shooter with facts.

[2naSalit]

15. So THAT'S why we have to hold up the election!

Riiiight! Tic toc MF!

[mucifer]

18. I don't see the story in WaPo or NYT nt

[ForgoTheConsequence]

19. How about Reuters?

Documents related to Ghislaine Maxwell's dealings with Jeffrey Epstein are unsealed


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-people-ghislaine-maxwell-documents/documents-related-to-ghislaine-maxwells-dealings-with-jeffrey-epstein-are-unsealed-idUSKCN24W058

[BigmanPigman]

20. I just read on Keith Olbermann's Twitter...

the same posts as above (#11) about all those locations, etc. Dersh is toast.

[smirkymonkey]

25. It would serve him right for the evil, corrupt life he has lived.

Defending the scum of the earth for money. I hope it was all worth it for him.

[BBG]

52. Defending and Sex Crimes are different

While I make no excuses for any of this Epstein related debauchery, there is no faulting a lawyer for defending the despicable. We all, including scum, deserve legal representation and defense.

Now I need to wash my hands.

[smirkymonkey]

55. I suppose, but he seems to have sought out the most despicable, high-profile criminals to

defend. I guess somebody has to do it, but it says something about him that he gravitates toward these cases.

[mr_lebowski]

27. The Florida accusation may be the most important one ...

Because 17 is the age of consent in both New York and New Mexico. Florida is 18 y.o. however.

As far as I've been able to ascertain, it's still up in the air as to when exactly Giuffre (the person who sued in this case) was 'recruited' by Maxwell at Mar A Lago (it's known that 2000 is the year she worked there), and also not known for sure the first time Epstein or anyone else had sex with her. Her DOB is August, 1983. Therefore she turned 17 in 2000, and hence became legal to consent to sex in New Mexico and NY.

It should probably not be discounted that Giuffre never made an accusation against Dershowitz until 2014, in the context of this civil suit.

She also claims to have had sex with Bill Richardson at Epstein's direction.

She also continued to work for Epstein, travel with him, enjoy his privileged lifestyle, etc ... for many years after she was recruited. It'd be one thing if she was recruited at, say ... 14, but if she was actually 17? That could make a significant difference in a court trial. Becomes harder to claim you were an innocent child with no idea what you were getting into.

She's also said she'd been sexually active long before she met Epstein, IIRC she said she had been prostituted out since age 12 or 13, sadly.

What I'm saying is ... assuming he IS guilty ... hopefully there's lot more evidence on top of the word of Ms. Giuffre. There's a lot of avenues that the expensive lawyers will have to go after her testimony.

It would take more than that to get prosecutors to consider charges against Dersch, put it like that.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

28. You cannot transport a minor across state lines for sex, no matter the age of consent.

Under 18 U.S.C. § 2423, transporting a minor across state lines is a crime when done with the purpose to engage in illegal sex or child pornography: (a) Transportation with intent to engage in criminal sexual activity.

[mr_lebowski]

30. Likely hard to prove Dershowitz transported her ... esp. since he most likely did not ...

And Epstein, the one who did so ... is in the ground.

[mr_lebowski]

35. Also, I'm not entirely sure you're reading this statute correctly ...

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2423

I don't see anything addressing the subject of the sex being legal in the state in which it occurs.

If one could prove the person took someone under 18 across state lines for purposes of prostitution (which involves an exchange of money or similar) or child porn, then it becomes clear cut.

I'm not sure it addresses, for example, an 18 year old taking their 17 yo girlfriend over to the next state to engage in consensual sex where 17 is the legal age. What if she drove, and you rode in her car?

I'm not saying it DOESN'T, mind you.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

37. It doesn't have to be prostitution.

When the relationship becomes interstate the age of consent is 18.

[mr_lebowski]

41. So you're saying if I'm 18 and the age of consent in my state is 17 ...

And my 17 yo girlfriend lives 2 miles away across the state line, and the age of consent in her state is 17 ... and she drives two miles over the state line, to my state, to sleep with me ... I'm busted because the age of consent magically became 18 when she drove over the state line?

I rather doubt it works that way, but I could be wrong.

[Warpy]

29. It also explains the peculiar change in his politics

after making a decent name for himself in the 60s and 70s. Blackmail can be a powerful inducement to sacrifice principles.

Personally, I think he needs to sing, as do the other pervs, expose Epstein and Maxwell as political as well as financial blackmailers.

Unfortunately, the government will never allow full disclosure about Epstein's access to cover jobs he was never remotely qualified for from Barr's daddy and others. To do so would expose a vicious part of the Cold War that no one in DC wants looked at.

There's a reason he got that sweetheart deal in Florida. Prosecutors said the orders came from DC.

[mr_lebowski]

33. What part of the Cold War are you speculating that he was involved with?

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You think he was blackmailing powerful people not just to enrich himself, but at the direction of the US ... or perhaps a US ally's ... government?

And that's why he was protected, at least for a long time?

It's not terribly difficult to speculate along those lines I must admit ... but he was still unquestionably a sick pervert as well, even if the other part were true.

[elleng]

56. Thanks for mentioning a bit about his history;

been wondering for a long time what happened - he used to be rational.

[Warpy]

59. Read Epstein's bio sometime

It's full of big, gaping holes and Barr's daddy fills some of them.

He was a goombah from Queens who dropped out of college. Then he was hired as a physics teacher at one of the most exclusive prep schools in the country by Barr's daddy. When Barr's daddy left his job at that prep school, so did Epstein, who then waltzed into a series of financial top jobs he was also supremely unqualified for. It was cover job after cover job until the end of the Cold War, at which time he seems to have seamlessly transitioned into pimp, white slaver, and undoubtedly blackmailer, with movers and shakers in DC covering for him. The Florida AG at the time of his sweetheart "jail sentence" confirmed extreme pressure from DC for leniency in the extreme.

It will likely take 50 years until the whole story begins to be uncovered, if it ever is, waiting until everyone who knew him is safely dead or muttering revenge into their pureed peas at an old folks' home.

Blackmail poisons everything. Blackmailers never go away. They feed on shame and cowardice. The only way to deal with them is the was Bezos did. Now no one particularly remembers the scandal and his blackmailer is gone. My educated guess is that Dershowitz just didn't have that kind of courage. Sadly, he seems to have been joined by a lot of other movers and shakers, Clinton among them.

[MontanaMama]

31. Captain Underpants is having a sad tonight.

[Lithos]

32. IF TRUE: what a sad ending

IF TRUE: he needs to go, his legacy besmirched by his own weaknesses.

L-

[SunSeeker]

54. No, eating too many potato chips is a weakness. Raping children is an evil crime.

His legacy was besmirched by his evil criminal behavior.

[Voltaire2]

57. What legacy? Dershowitz has been a vile

fascist for decades. This is a cherry atop his just desserts.

[Quixote1818]

36. When was the last time Palmer Report had a hit? Not being snarky, just curious.

Seems like they have a pretty poor track record.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

38. Forbes, Reuters, The Guardian...

It's being reported elsewhere.

[mr_lebowski]

46. It's also been known for at least 1 yr that Giuffre fingered Dershowitz in this particular suit

So I'm not sure the unsealing is a particularly momentous occasion for Dersh ... a redacted version has been available for longer than that, and people figured out with reasonable certainty where Dershowitz's name appeared in the docs at least that long ago.

[RandySF]

42. I wouldn't call it a hit

Everyone is going through the papers.

[Cha]

39. Yeah, Dersh.. the strong Denier of doing Anything Wrong.

What bad news the unsealing of these files must be for him.

[Cicada]

43. Who made these claims? The same woman as before? Or someone else?

[Drunken Irishman]

49. Yes. This is nothing new.

If you watched the Netflix documentary, everything reported here was said then.

[mr_lebowski]

51. This case has been known about for some time, and yes it's the same woman ...

Virginia Giuffre nee Roberts.

While I admit I'm uncertain as to whether Dershowitz is guilty of illegal sex with a minor, I'm ENTIRELY convinced he knew damn well what Epstein was up to, and not only did nothing to stop it, but even defended him legally. So he is SCUM NO MATTER WHAT ... but ...

Looking through the wiki on this unfortunate situation, I came across the below blurb. I hazard a guess that if this email/document exists, Dershowitz can produce it, and it is genuine, it's unlikely a prosecutor will charge him unless there's a abundance of other evidence. Lordy, I hope there are tapes!

Giuffre claims that Epstein sex trafficked her to lawyer and Harvard law professor emeritus Alan Dershowitz at least six times, the earliest time when she was aged 16.[20] These claims have been repeatedly denied by Dershowitz, who has pointed to email correspondence between Giuffre and Mail on Sunday reporter Sharon Churcher in late 2011, in which Giuffre asked Churcher to help her remember the names of her abusers following earlier discussions, and Churcher replied, "Don't forget Alan Dershowitz. JE's buddy and lawyer..good name for your pitch as he repped Claus von Bulow and a movie was made about that case...title was Reversal of Fortune. We all suspect Alan is a pedo and tho no proof of that, you probably met him when he was hanging put w JE."

[SunSeeker]

53. Coincidence?

Link to tweet

[crickets]

60. Good grief. I need to bathe now. nt