Our government betrayed us like never before.

[tecelote]

Our response to the pandemic is worse than almost any other country in the world.

My neighbor mentioned China and started to bring up another country. I interrupted him and said when you need to look hard to find countries doing worse than us, then you have lost the argument.

Our country has the best people and the best tools in the world yet the Trump administration failed us. It's that simple.

[SoonerPride]

1. if someone brings up China

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Tell them we have twice as many DEAD as China has INFECTED

China isn’t the problem

Donald trump is.

[Squinch]

3. Good answer! I'm using that!

[tecelote]

7. Fantastic fact!

I hadn't heard that before and you put it very succinctly.

[SoonerPride]

12. I think I heard that factoid on MSNBC, or maybe NPR (can't remember)

And then I had to look it up because it seemed wrong.

But yes, we have twice as many deaths as China has infected (roughly). And they have like 3x as many people too.

It is staggering the level of our suffering compared to anyone else in the world.

[MFGsunny]

10. Useful link below

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths?country=USA~CHN

[SoonerPride]

13. That is a great site! Bookamarking it. Thank you!

[MFGsunny]

14. YESSSSSS! It really is a great site. AND, you're most welcome.

We all need good data - especially for "good trouble" use!

[Dios Mio]

26. Pointing fingers is irrelevant at this point.

There is a reality to deal with here and now.

[scarytomcat]

43. YES

[ancianita]

29. Thank you! Quick and factual shuts them up every time.

[Demsrule86]

2. Our Government did no such thing...Trump and the Republicans did it...stop including Democrats

who have passed a bill to help everyone.

[tecelote]

6. Yes, our government failed.

We have to own it to fix it.

I get your point. Democrats are not running things. But, they are still part of our government.

You can't get around the fact that our government failed us.

[Demsrule86]

44. The Democrats passed a Covid bill months ago what else could they do?

Stop with the both sided BS.

[tecelote]

50. OK - You get a participation trophy!

Now, let's move on, vote the bastards out, and elect someone who can win.

[edhopper]

9. This

^^^
Neither "Government" nor "Congress" failed us.

Trump and the GOP did.

[tecelote]

15. It's Trump's style to deny responsibility not ours.

Despite our best efforts, the government failed us.

But, but, changes nothing.

Own it and learn from it.

I believe Biden will be what is needed.

That doesn't change the fact that right now, it's failing us.

Vote.

[edhopper]

16. How did the Democrats fail?

The House bill was good, it is only the parts of Government controlled by the Repugs that failed.

My Democratic Governor and State did not fail me.

To say "The Government" and not The Republicans is both siderism and is a failure of perspective.

[tecelote]

17. Did you read the last line of my post?

"Our country has the best people and the best tools in the world yet the Trump administration failed us. It's that simple."

However, from a yes or no perspective, the government as a whole failed us. "I ran the fastest but my team lost the race" doesn't mean you won.

Our government failed us. It's a fact.

[edhopper]

18. I don't agree with your perspective.

The Government failed because it is run by Republicans.

If you had said the Republican Government failed, Okay.

But you didn't, so I disagree with your statement.

To then say we must elect Biden proves that it is not "The Government" but the Republicans who run it.

[tecelote]

19. You have good, solid reasons why the government failed.

But that doesn't change the score. Our government failed us. You say so yourself.

[BBG]

28. Republican Governance Failed Us

Not Democrat but Republican governance. To count this as failure of government is not accurate and denigrates those who have and are acting responsibly in this time.
Also to label this as a failure of government ignores the root cause which includes our citizens failure to participate in the voting booth. We get the government we deserve, especially when we do not participate.

[tecelote]

30. Did you read the last line of my post?

"Our country has the best people and the best tools in the world yet the Trump administration failed us. It's that simple."

As a government, we are one. My view on governance is what I qualify with the statement above.

As a government, we are failing. Things need to change and the people you think I am denigrating are the very people I voted for and have faith in.

[edhopper]

31. And leaving out

"Republican" hides the truth.

[tecelote]

32. Can you rewrite it the way it should be?

You see, I thought that my line - "Our country has the best people and the best tools in the world yet the Trump administration failed us. It's that simple." - says it all. Trump, Republicans, and the whole damn swamp are responsible.

[edhopper]

35. Can you write it that way

"Trump, Republicans, and the whole damn GOP swamp are responsible. "

And not the unqualified "Government"

[tecelote]

38. OK - I get it. You don't like the title and think it should be qualified.

Instead of "Johnny's team lost" you want "Johnny ran the fastest but his team lost". I understand. However, Johnny's team still lost.

Our government is still failing us. Yes, it hurts to acknowledge that we're part of it. 'Hard to believe actually.

However, it's this cold hard fact that's going to wake people up. That's why even Republicans are voting for Biden. Not because they like our policies. It's because... Our government is failing us.

[edhopper]

39. Not at all

"We" are not part of this failure.

We have an illegitimate man as President and a minority party running much of Government.

I simply do not accept your premise or your "all on the same team" analogy.

When a key person cheats and throws the game for the opposition, the team did not fail, someone cheated and cost them the game.

WE can change what is happening, but WE did not fail.

[Demsrule86]

48. It is because Republicans have failed us.

[edhopper]

40. Is it "the Government"

who has fucked up testing, not extending unemployment, not helping States and Cities, ignoring COVID protocols...
or is it Republicans in Government?

How have the Democrats in Government failed?

[tecelote]

41. Collectively, our government is failing us.

Sorry to shock you but impeachment failed. Our team lost but they ran a good race. We have to own it, sad as it is.

So, it remains - our government is failing us.

[edhopper]

42. Not collectively

Impeachment failed solely because the GOP are in the Trump Cult.

No matter how you parse this. I cannot agree with your premise.

You are just feeding into both siderism.

[Demsrule86]

47. Impeachment did not fail. The House impeached Trump. The Senate refused to convict. The Democrats

have done everything they could. Stop with 'our government has fail'...the GOP failed.

[Demsrule86]

49. Define the term 'swamp' ...do you include Democrats in this description? Democrats are not

part of any swamp.

[tecelote]

51. Reading comprehension is a good start.

Where did I say anything negative about Democrats? Never mind that we are part of the swamp.

[Demsrule86]

52. The Government includes elected Democrats who are not to blame for 'government' failure.

Democrats are not to blame for Trump and Republican failures to govern properly. I wish you would state this clearly.

[Demsrule86]

45. Exactly.

[beachbumbob]

4. out GOVT LEADERSHIP failed America

and we are to blame as trump was elected, and makes that lesser of 2 evil bullshit more cutting

[Demsrule86]

46. Excuse me? We are not to blame for what Trump and McConnell do.

[superpatriotman]

5. It's small enough to drown in a bathtub

Right wing wet dream

[soothsayer]

8. Demon semen!

[edhopper]

11. "Both sides" huh?

That is bullshit. It was Trump and the Repukes.

The Democrats left a pandemic team and playbook for this. They got money to working people.

The GOP and espec8ially Trump fucked it up.

[B Stieg]

20. Increasingly, an example of "American Unexceptionalism"

Now what?
VOTE!

[MineralMan]

21. IS BETRAYING US!

It is an ongoing thing, not something in the past. Present tense is needed.

[tecelote]

24. Excellent point!

Present tense exposes the urgency and implores a response.

We are being betrayed.

Everyone needs to act. Everyone needs to vote, at the very least.

[dreamland]

22. Good answer! And now the world snickers at us.

[gordianot]

23. If the Pandemic was WW2 we would have been occupied in 1944.

A life long of Trump failures this one is clearly his greatest.

[CanonRay]

25. He's fucked up everything else, why not the Post Office

[burrowowl]

27. And it's still betraying us.

[Botany]

33. Of course they (Trump & company) did the only question is ...

Fuck up because they don't know what they are doing?
Or it was on purpose because Putin wanted this pandemic to weaken America.

[duforsure]

34. Trump and the Republicans betrayed us

By refusing to convict criminal trump, and if they had of we wouldn't have been in this disaster now. trump and republicans refused to do anything when they knew this virus was deadly , and still are . Look who has stalled this next package for 2 months and over 10 days , and now the American people are suffering while they've almost assured us this country is headed into a trump depression. trump and republicans betrayed us by doing nothing knowing putin had bounties on our service members, and trump refuses to confront him tells me one thing , putin and trump and the GOP are in this together to hurt us , and this country. trump intentionally pulled people out of China there to help fight and keep us posted about the virus, which trump knew at least by Nov. what was going on, and did nothing. This isn't just trump , its the GOP to protecting trump and helping putin now,and still causing the virus to spread from their actions , and not taking actions , and are threatening our children by forcing them back to school while a deadly out of control pandemic is raging across this country . Until they are ousted this will only worsen.

[woodsprite]

36. I wouldn't say the Govt, but it needs to be said that the Republicans have betrayed America.

Everything the Dems have tried to pass to help the American people is sitting on McConnell's desk unread.

So it's the Republicans who have betrayed us.

[panader0]

37. Worse than any other country? By far I'd say. Numbers don't lie.

With about 4% of the world's population, the US has nearly 25% of covid cases and deaths.
If we were handling it correctly, we would have 4% of cases and deaths.
If we were the best in the world, our cases would be less than 4%.