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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe Velveteen Ocelot
(115,608 posts)Scientology is a dangerous cult, not a legit religion. I hope she's not seriously involved with those loons.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,106 posts)Funtatlaguy
(10,862 posts)Dem2theMax
(9,641 posts)trueblue2007
(17,194 posts)Quixote1818
(28,918 posts)alphafemale
(18,497 posts)brooklynite
(94,362 posts)qazplm135
(7,447 posts)She's a top contender, but seen nothing to indicate she's leading.
still_one
(92,061 posts)PatSeg
(47,282 posts)strongly recommended that Joe chose Bass over Harris.
I really like Karen Bass a lot, but this story could hurt her chances.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)and supposedly one of Biden's top 4 or 5 choices.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/31/politics/joe-biden-running-mate/index.html
elleng
(130,746 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,604 posts)elleng
(130,746 posts)Skittles
(153,113 posts)and at a ribbon cutting ceremony
xmas74
(29,671 posts)This will definitely be fodder for the GOP in their cries about how we are persecuting Christians and blah,blah, Hollywood,blah,blah.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)Anyone praising that evil, destructive, vindictive, money-grubbing cult needs to fuck all the way off.
Bengus81
(6,928 posts)How the hell could that be? Scratch her off the list ASAP!
2naSalit
(86,332 posts)and it's not like that's something his campaign or vetting crew would or should reveal to the public.
That's a total deal breaker in my book. No CT people of any kind! Not in the WH!! Never again!
oasis
(49,332 posts)to bring Bass backers to understand why she was passed over.
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)I'm also fairly sure he has already made his choice and they know it, if he's announcing next week.
You don't announce that you are revealing it next week if you don't already know who you are picking. Takes time to set up and have a strong introduction and presentation, and you don't do that in a couple of days.
I strongly suspect this weekend is about telling the folks that didn't make it, and making plans with the person that did so that the roll-out is strong and flawless as possible.
You can't really do that if you are making a choice a couple of days before the reveal.
Totally Tunsie
(10,885 posts)He's now saying he'll release the name during the week before the DNC.
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)they need/want more time to roll it out, they are still deciding, or they decided and then something happened to make them reconsider.
The first probably leans towards Harris, the second is probably bad news for Harris, and the third probably means Harris wasn't the choice, but now has a chance if she was number two and something about number one is giving them pause.
Totally Tunsie
(10,885 posts)Biden's running mate announcement pushed back, likely will not come next week
JI7
(89,241 posts)campaign roll out.
Totally Tunsie
(10,885 posts)with the phrase "if he's announcing next week.", and updating him/her.
tritsofme
(17,371 posts)And why vetting is so important. Scientology is a dangerous cult, anyone taken in by their shtick is automatically questionable.
Vinca
(50,237 posts)in a whole new light. That's a crazy cult she's speaking about.
elleng
(130,746 posts)Funtatlaguy
(10,862 posts)That this was a grand opening for a new location in her Congressional District.
Still, she should have known ...even in 2010... the very negative controversial topic this church was and still is.
She needs to explain this RIGHT NOW.
Dem2theMax
(9,641 posts)On behalf of Youth for Human Rights International, founder and president Dr. Mary Shuttleworth accepted proclamations and commendations from U.S. Senator Harry Reid of Nevada, U.S. Congresswoman Karen Bass of California, Inglewood Mayor James T. Butts and Los Angeles City Councilman Bernard Parks, acknowledging the accomplishments of the organization in human rights education.
More at the link.
https://www.scientologynews.org/press-releases/final-yhri-worldtour-event.html
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)and neither is Karen Bass. This is kind of an unfair claim which I hope will blow over in 24 hours.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,608 posts)ten years ago but as far as is known she has had no other association with them. Her bio says she's Baptist, and I'd guess the Baptists generally regard Scientologists as heretics, as do most other Christian denominations. I assume someone is looking into this.
harumph
(1,893 posts)How fucking stupid is his "vetting" team!
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,608 posts)She hasn't been selected and might not be, and we don't even know whether she has had any involvement with the Scientologists other than that single ribbon-cutting ten years ago. I'm sure the search committee knows more than we do.
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Celerity
(43,124 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)There is a large Buddhist temple down the street from me. They have a fair every year and invite the neighborhood. Sometimes I see monks in saffron robes doing laundry at a local laundromat. If Bass has Scientologists among her constituents, and they do something praiseworthy, praising them publicly is part of her job.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,608 posts)Buddhism is a world religion practiced by millions of people for centuries; Scientology is a dangerous crackpot cult invented from whole cloth a few decades ago to separate people from their money.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Look at Martin Luther for example. Half the world thought he was a dangerous lunatic. And then there was that Palestinian guy they crucified . .
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,608 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)and there my knowledge of L. Ron Hubbard ends. At one point my wife worked with a lot of Scientologists and we used to have conversations like this where I was the incredulous one. She didn't defend them but it sure seemed like there were a lot of them in L.A. at the time. Whatever it was they were doing that was getting them such bad press they seemed to have curtailed as I haven't heard much about them since about the time of this speech. Curious fact: that big blue headquarters in Hollywood visible from several freeways used to be a hospital called Cedars of Lebanon where movie stars went to give birth.
keithbvadu2
(36,668 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)to see the evil shit they get up to even today. In fact, she and another former cultist have started a podcast in te last few weeks so as to be able to respond and expose Scientology on a more real-time basis.
Recently theyve been hounding the women who have brought multiple rape charges against actor Danny Masterson. Scientology is not an offbeat cult, its a violent and destructive force responsible for ruining countless lives.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)ForgoTheConsequence
(4,867 posts)It's a 2500-year-old religion with half a billion followers. You're out of your damn mind if you think they're comparable.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)But they are very good neighbors, completely inconspicuous except when they run their modest fair, which is mainly for the elementary students from the school across the street. To my knowledge there haven't been any problems, but it looks like it's been there several decades, probably from the time of the Khmer Rouge in 1975, when we were fighting the Vietnam war, so there could well have been some resistance from local vets in the early years. I didn't live here then. Is it comparable to Scientology? Yes in the sense that they figured out how to get along and the Karen Bass speech seems to have been given in recognition of an effort by Scientologists to do the same. And they haven't been in the headlines lately so it looks like maybe they succeeded.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)When we resettled hundreds of thousands of Cambodians to the US we purposely centered them in 5 central locations so that the Cambodian diaspora could provide resources back to the Cambodian homeland.
Cambodian temples serve as much more than religious centers but as cultural, language and service centers to one of the great cultures of humanity which produced Ankor War, one of the greatest engineering feats of pre modern man. The water management system of Tonle Sap is considered greater than that of the Roman Aqueducts. Any comparisons to Scientology is ignorance of stratified level.
No local vets resisted helping refugees fleeing the KR, and were significantly involved at every stage of rescue to resettlement and your completely unfounded imagined speculations are repulsive.
Cambodian temples follow a disciplined form of Theravada Buddhism that has centuries of rules, hierarchies, and structure. And while there have been problems of bad priests in all religions Theravada has done well to be a self reforming body for 2500 years.
What is particularly galling is that the greatest and most dangerous perversion of religion is when it succumbs to ultra nationalism as it did in Germany and is now doing in the US.
Having attended Theravada services for 4 decades I can tell you that one of the most often points brought up in a Theravada monk sermon would touch on how much we can learn from other religions and an anecdote from a Jewish, Christian or Muslim teaching.
I remember in 1979 when I learned enough Thai to understand the morning Thai sermon on the radio. The monk's 5 minute talk was based on "how great a man must Jesus Christ be, look at all the hospitals and schools that have been built by his followers, certainly he has wisdom that can enlighten us all".
q
Your condescending and uninformed comments reveal a lot more about your world view than you realise, and it is not a happy one.
I dare you to go to the CT some afternoon and simply ask the monk there to explain what is it that they do. You may find one of the most intelligent and compassionate men you have ever met. Chou will be received with a warmness you will find disarming.
In pre covid 19 times, if you arrived at noon you will arrive after the monks last meal and the leftovers would have been shared with you.
I studied the Old Testament in Hebrew, the New Testament in Greek but have found the friendliest and some of the wisest lessons learned at Thai, Cambodian, Lao and Sri Lankan Temples where I have been offered food, books, friendship but never asked for a membership donation in 40 years.
It's sad to me that your ignorance of the rich cultural/philosophical tradition that has been developed over 2500 years of serious study prevents you from enriching your life by friendly people that are down the street and would give you one of the warmest welcomes you have ever received in your entire life.
Trust me from epistemological, existential, ontological, polity, finance, culture or any reasonable metric there is no comparison between Buddhism and the monks vow of poverty and Hubbard's well documented scam to enrich himself and create a slave class to serve him.
Namaste
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,867 posts)I am not a Buddhist but have a great appreciation for it. You explained if better than I could. Calling a religion that predates Christianity and Islam "offbeat" is very offensive.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)then congratulations on your eagerness to participate in religious discrimination. I am not so eager.
p.s. per Britannica it's been a tax-exempt religious organization since winning a long-running battle with the IRS in 1993:
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Scientology
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,867 posts)Thanks for your concern trolling, though. There are lots of tax exempt political groups that support abhorrent things, too. Do they also deserve my respect? If tax exemption is your measurement of legitimacy then it's obvious you have no other argument to fall back on.
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)dsp3000
(482 posts)nt
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Some here want to get huffy and hypersensitive about a temple they'd never heard of until last night. Fine, but let's cut other religions the same slack. They have ardent followers too.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)Christianity is fine but there are Christian cults like "The Door" AKA Potter's House.
I don't have a problem with Islam but I do have a problem with the cult of Wahabbism (House of Saud, Al-Qaeda, ISIS, Boko Haram).
Scientology seems very cultish especially in the way they treat ex-members.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)There's also the word religion (same spelling) but culte is used in a non-pejorative way to describe a particular denomination. It also means service, so "culte protestant" means Protestant service. But the point is that every religion has its cultish aspects; if it didn't it wouldn't be a religion anymore, but a mythology or ancient practice. So while Scientology gives me the willies and their beliefs are not exactly rational, that's a feature of religion, and we're supposed to be tolerant of peoples' religions.
tblue37
(65,227 posts)Lunabell
(6,046 posts)No telling if poor Kelly Preston got proper treatment for her breast cancer or if she took a regimen of diet, exercise and vitamins.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)PTWB
(4,131 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Total disqualifier.
oasis
(49,332 posts)the Washington "Moonie" Times at a gala event many moons ago.
Didn't create much of a stir at the time. Still a member of congress.
frazzled
(18,402 posts)Hes my Congressman. But hes Teflon, always was and always will be. I dont know what made him do that. Hes a pretty good guy, and always votes right. But hes made some major boners.
Id prefer someone else, but Ive given up: theres no way anyone has been able to successfully primary him.
brooklynite
(94,362 posts)...because it would have been far more damaging to drop it immediately after she was (prospectively) announced as the VP choice. More likely by someone supporting another choice.
EllieBC
(2,990 posts)to hear about demon seed alien sex fiends.
No Scientology, please.
Yeehah
(4,568 posts)IMHO
Poiuyt
(18,117 posts)JI7
(89,241 posts)rather than how she can help him get to office.
Similar to Tim Kaine who Hillary picked more based on how they would be in office.
ecstatic
(32,653 posts)Arie did a hit piece on Val Demings, and now I'm learning that Kamala Harris has been the focus of renewed attacks as well.
What happened to all hands on deck? We're in an emergency right now, guys. Like a life or death emergency. Literally.
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,867 posts)And the answer isn't someone who supports a cult that doesn't believe in science and has a history of homophobia. Not to mention the murdering of pets and threats to people who leave.
tritsofme
(17,371 posts)So these sorts of things dont come out in October.
kcr
(15,315 posts)I cant even believe its a discussion. Cross her off the list and move on.
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)Scientology is toxic. A lot of very non-political independent people recognize it as a cult filled to the brim in abuse.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)Thats why this person shouldnt even be glanced at anymore. Trainwreck.
Kamala Harris is the real deal.
PufPuf23
(8,755 posts)spun to make the Democratic party look bad.
I wish a pick be made ASAP and then sell the pick as strength.
misanthrope
(7,411 posts)Big warning sign about her judgement.
JCMach1
(27,553 posts)Full-stop
bdjhawk
(420 posts)Not good for winning Florida as the Repugs will twist everything even if she seems to have many good qualities and her visits to Cuba were apparently for humanitarian purposes
[link:https://www.tabletmag.com/amp/sections/news/articles/karen-bass-biden-venceremos-brigade|
greyl
(22,990 posts)Totally Tunsie
(10,885 posts)This really is directed to all above who wrote Bass off with this reveal:
Say that Scientology is a disqualifier, if Joe picks her, what do you do with your vote? You can't separate out Biden/Bass...it's a 2-fer.
Remember "Vote Blue, no matter who"?
brooklynite
(94,362 posts)...the question is: does it create a window for Trump to go after Biden?
maximusveritas
(2,915 posts)It's not a good sign that she is being considered even.
She's also a former Black Panther who can be tied to Communist groups in the past as well. Way too much of a liability and she brings very little to the table.
Funtatlaguy
(10,862 posts)TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)hints she's a Scientologist-- just that she's a politician dealing with a big building in her district.
Now, should she, as a liberal Democrat, have refused to go to the event? Maybe that could be argued, but the bigger picture is this something that disqualifies her?