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sheshe2

(83,731 posts)
Fri Jul 31, 2020, 07:32 PM Jul 2020

The 'Father of Modern Gynecology' Performed Shocking Experiments on Slaves

James Marion Sims developed pioneering tools and surgical techniques related to women’s reproductive health, and is credited as the “father of modern gynecology.” The 19th-century physician has been lionized with statues in New York City, South Carolina and Pennsylvania.

But because Sims’ research was conducted on enslaved Black women without anesthesia, medical ethicists, historians and others have called for those monuments to be removed—or for them tobe reconfigured as tributes to the enslaved women known to have endured his experiments.

Sims, who practiced medicine at a time when treating women was considered distasteful and rarely done, invented the vaginal speculum, a tool used for dilation and examination. He also pioneered a surgical technique to repair vesicovaginal fistula, a common 19th-century complication of childbirth in which a tear between the uterus and bladder caused constant pain and urine leakage.Sims’s defenders say the Southern-born slaveholder was simply a man of his time for whom the end justified the means—and that enslaved women with fistulas were likely to have wanted the treatment badly enough that they would have agreed to take part in his experiments. But history hasn’t recorded their voices, and consent from their owners, who had a strong financial interest in their recovery, was the only legal requirement of the time.

Critics say Sims cared more about the experiments than in providing therapeutic treatment, and that he caused untold suffering by operating under the racist notion that Black people did not feel pain. They say his use of enslaved Black bodies as medical test subjects falls into a long, ethically bereft history of medical test subjects falls into a long, ethically bereft history of medical apartheid that includes the Tuskegee syphilis experiment and Henrietta Lacks.

https://www.history.com/news/the-father-of-modern-gynecology-performed-shocking-experiments-on-slaves

His statue was removed.



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The 'Father of Modern Gynecology' Performed Shocking Experiments on Slaves (Original Post) sheshe2 Jul 2020 OP
NEVER FORGET! bobbieinok Jul 2020 #1
Never. sheshe2 Jul 2020 #3
Names of some of slaves have been discovered---Anarcha, Betsey, Lucy bobbieinok Aug 2020 #21
Horrific MustLoveBeagles Jul 2020 #2
I've never accepted the "a man of his time argument." Aristus Jul 2020 #4
Thank you. sheshe2 Jul 2020 #6
Our own American Dr Mengele... Wounded Bear Jul 2020 #5
You read my mind! Karadeniz Jul 2020 #10
That is barbaric. lpbk2713 Jul 2020 #7
What a horrible story! mcar Jul 2020 #8
An awful lesson from our history. Niagara Jul 2020 #9
Worse than criminal. oasis Jul 2020 #11
Yes. sheshe2 Jul 2020 #13
That's the only way to describe it. Horrifying. Heartbreaking. NurseJackie Aug 2020 #25
I Can't Even Me. Jul 2020 #12
What a sick fuck. MLAA Jul 2020 #14
For all eternity. sheshe2 Jul 2020 #15
.. Cha Jul 2020 #16
There should be no statues of him or buildings in his honor Bettie Jul 2020 #17
Similar thing happened after WW2 with japanese doctors ansible Jul 2020 #18
. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #19
Never forget Gothmog Aug 2020 #20
Sick bastard! smirkymonkey Aug 2020 #22
I don't want anyone to see this as defending what he did, but unrepaired fistula JCMach1 Aug 2020 #23
Mengele was a man of his time too. Crunchy Frog Aug 2020 #24
Never forget. brer cat Aug 2020 #26
Using racism to justify American medicine being built on backs of African Americans still_one Aug 2020 #27
K&R. ehrnst Aug 2020 #28
wow llashram Aug 2020 #29
This is heartbreaking... lapucelle Aug 2020 #30

sheshe2

(83,731 posts)
3. Never.
Fri Jul 31, 2020, 07:48 PM
Jul 2020

On their knees. Unclothed, he experimented on them. No anesthesia. The pain must have been excruciating.

bobbieinok

(12,858 posts)
21. Names of some of slaves have been discovered---Anarcha, Betsey, Lucy
Sat Aug 1, 2020, 02:05 AM
Aug 2020

One of them was operated on multiple times without anesthesia, because it was believed that blacks, esp black women, did not feel pain like whites did!

...npr.org/transcripts from Feb 2016

IIRC this is the discussion of a forthcoming book

(It's so irritating that I can't link on this device)

Aristus

(66,316 posts)
4. I've never accepted the "a man of his time argument."
Fri Jul 31, 2020, 07:53 PM
Jul 2020

Anyone indifferent to suffering, including and especially if he is causing it, is a monster. Bottom line.

sheshe2

(83,731 posts)
13. Yes.
Fri Jul 31, 2020, 08:54 PM
Jul 2020

We had our own Josef Mengele.

JOSEF MENGELE
SS physician Josef Mengele conducted inhumane medical experiments on prisoners at Auschwitz. He was the most prominent of a group of Nazi doctors who conducted experiments that often caused great harm or death to the prisoners.


https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/josef-mengele

MLAA

(17,277 posts)
14. What a sick fuck.
Fri Jul 31, 2020, 08:57 PM
Jul 2020

Truly. I don’t believe in hell. But if I’m wrong he should be there getting experimented on without pain meds daily.

Bettie

(16,089 posts)
17. There should be no statues of him or buildings in his honor
Fri Jul 31, 2020, 10:41 PM
Jul 2020

I had read about him previously. He was a monster.

 

ansible

(1,718 posts)
18. Similar thing happened after WW2 with japanese doctors
Fri Jul 31, 2020, 10:52 PM
Jul 2020

Unit 731 of the Japanese army performed some of the most horrific medical experiments in human history, murdering thousands of people. And after WW2 the doctors in charge were given immunity by the US in exchange for their medical data. They were never punished and went on to lead normal lives.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731#Surrender_and_immunity

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
22. Sick bastard!
Sat Aug 1, 2020, 02:15 AM
Aug 2020

Men should never be allowed to become gynecologists in the first place. I can't imagine why they would want to be other than to harm or exploit women. They don't understand what it is like to be woman so how could they possibly understand what we go through?

JCMach1

(27,556 posts)
23. I don't want anyone to see this as defending what he did, but unrepaired fistula
Sat Aug 1, 2020, 02:43 AM
Aug 2020

is also torture and horrific.

Imagine child birth caused a rip, or necrosis between your vagina and large intestine with endless debilitating infections because feces was entering where it isn't supposed to be.

Was he a slave owning Southerner and racist: yes
Did he want to help women: yes
Did it advance gynecology: yes
Would it be approved today as is: no
Did the 19th century suck for women and black people: yes


As history often is, the story is a bit more complex than presented in the OP.

still_one

(92,130 posts)
27. Using racism to justify American medicine being built on backs of African Americans
Sat Aug 1, 2020, 11:04 AM
Aug 2020

The Syphilis Study at Tuskegee lasted until 1972.

It is an outrage and tragedy, and extends to the care in the way some doctors treat patients today







llashram

(6,265 posts)
29. wow
Sat Aug 1, 2020, 02:36 PM
Aug 2020

horrible, yet revealing of the horrors we are capable of visiting upon one another in the name of science, Tuskeegee syphilis experiments come to mind or just because one feels superior to another when the fact is we all bleed red, cry, laugh and die. Thank you sheshe for this

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