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https://www.wsj.com/articles/pickup-trucks-are-getting-huge-got-a-problem-with-that-11596254412A FEW MONTHS ago, on an ordinary day in an unremarkable Costco parking lot, I was nearly squashed by an unusually large pickup. Thank God I was wearing a mask. As that chrome grille closed on me like a man-eating Norelco shaver, time slowed. It seemed I was watching myself from afar, being nimble for a man my age, darting from the path of a towering, limousine-black pickup with temporary plates, whose driver barely checked his pace. Jerk.
What the hell was that thing? A 2020 GMC Sierra HD Denali? It was huge! The domed hood was at forehead level. The paramedics would have had to extract me from the grille with a spray hose, like Randall Jarrells ball-turret gunner. He didnt even see me.
Later, returning to my car, I noticed something: The parking lot was dotted with similarly enormous luxury pickupsmany new, many taking up two spaces: Ram, Ford, Chevy, GMC. They stood out like Percherons in a herd of Shetland ponies. What is going on here? When did pickups get so big? And why are XL-sized pickups so big now?
I know. Pickup trucks at Costco. Film at 11. Except that in April, U.S. sales of pickups surpassed automobiles for the first time everabout 112 years, give or take. Trucks and truck-based sport-utilities now account for roughly 70% of new vehicles sold in the U.S.
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LakeArenal
(28,804 posts)Because they are driving the Baja?
I always wondered why people in LA drive a Hummer to the mall.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)I frequently need to haul things for work and occasionally for home projects. The Sierra is the nicest vehicle Ive ever owned, by far, and is a joy to drive.
LakeArenal
(28,804 posts)Mosby
(16,260 posts)they really are enormous, and very high off the ground.
leftyladyfrommo
(18,866 posts)Yaris. I take my life in my hands trying to back out of my parking space because I can't see a thing.
Ohiogal
(31,914 posts)I cant tell you how many times I come out from the store to find my Toyota Corolla sandwiched in between two mountains of metal that make it impossible to back out without a backup camera which my car does not have. The hood of those things is practically at my shoulder level. So infuriating!
SammyWinstonJack
(44,129 posts)lillypaddle
(9,580 posts)I have a compact Toyota, and it's a real bitch when you get those big vans/trucks/SUVs parked on either side of you. Very dangerous. People won't even wear a mask to save lives, don't think they care how intimidating their rides are.
MineralMan
(146,260 posts)It's big enough, powerful enough, and has enough capacity for my needs. It's not impressive. It's not scary. It's not loud. It's not fast. It's a little pickup truck I use to haul stuff and as a second car. I've had it now for just over six months, and just recently filled the gas tank for only the second time since I bought it.
Pickups are useful. They are utility vehicles. Trying to make them more than that is pure vanity.
House of Roberts
(5,162 posts)Bed long enough to haul 4' x 8' sheets of plywood, sheet rock, siding, paneling etc. I don't need more truck than that.
My 1983 Porsche 944, also 2900 pounds until I get in it. Both vehicles at about 150 horsepower. I don't need more car than that either.
MineralMan
(146,260 posts)It gets down the road - eventually. I'm never in a hurry, however, to get to the landfill or the yard waste composting site, the most common destinations for my Ranger. I never worry about it getting dented or scratched or about rust in the Winter. It already has plenty of dents, scratches, and rust.
I did just order a set of loading ramps for it, though. I have to take an old washer and dryer to the scrap yard, and they're too heavy for me to lift into the bed by myself. So, I'll just roll them up the ramp on my two-wheel hand truck. I'm going to hide the ramps though, to keep my neighbors from asking me to help them move their junk more often than they already do.
Sgent
(5,857 posts)makes a truck like that anymore is Nissan. I like the manual transmission as well -- its useful for towing and is a good theft deterrent system.
MineralMan
(146,260 posts)and made it unaffordable, to boot. I've owned a bunch of small pickups in my lifetime. The smallest one was a Crosley pickup. I had a 70's Toyota Hilux, a little Datsun pickup, a little Dodge Ram 50 with a Mitsubishi engine, a 61 Falcon Ranchero, a 1984 Ranger, and now my 1996 Ranger. I don't always own a pickup, but I keep buying one from time to time when I have jobs for it to do.
I've also owned some full-size pickups, but that was way back in the 1970s, and most of them were 50s models, and pretty small themselves.
ornotna
(10,795 posts)No lift kit, no crazy wheels or tires. The new trucks are easily a foot taller than my truck when side by side. And that's the stock base models. Spend some money and they get even bigger.
Aristus
(66,293 posts)Second only to military-style weaponry to bolster the shaky egos of slack-muscled suburban Rambo wannabes.
Ferryboat
(922 posts)I load a roll on roll off ferry boat. It holds 144 vehicles. The tunnel in the center is 15' vertical is for over height commercial trucks.
These larger pickups fit just fine side by side in either the upper or lower wings. Mostly its the younger drivers who pitch a fit when directed anywhere but the tunnel. Common misconception is big trucks belong in the tunnel. Problem is they aren't big enough.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Seriously. Who the hell really NEEDS a pick-up truck, let alone a massively huge one. Are there really that many people in this country who are hauling around shit from place to place on a regular basis? I kind of doubt it.
EX500rider
(10,809 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)You don't find many of them here in northeastern cities.
EX500rider
(10,809 posts)EX500rider
(10,809 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)The massive trucks like the Ford F-350 is all about showing dominance, IMO. Most of the guys (always guys) that drive them never seem to use them as working trucks, I have seen only one do that, a plumber that I hired to do some work at my home, the others have washed and waxed trucks.
EX500rider
(10,809 posts)I don't think you realize how big Center Consoles have gotten, they can go for over a million dollars and have 4 big outboards on the back.
The Yellowfin 42' for example weights 15,000 lbs.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)You said speedboats, those tend to be lighter and shouldnt be an issue for an F150. You showed a big craft that is capable of going far out in the ocean, that is a different deal than what I responded to.
EX500rider
(10,809 posts).that's where the big sport fish are, so they buy really big fast Center Consoles, they are all the rage if you have the $. And to tow one down to the Keys for example you need a BIG truck.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)There are nice water-front homes, some are spectacularly beautiful, especially on the Gulf side. I am conflicted about places like that, I love viewing ocean water-scapes from dry land, but I want nothing to do with being out on that water or swimming in it. We have all types in this state, that is what makes it interesting and fun to live in most of the time.
Clearly fogged in
(1,896 posts)It seems as if having one creates a desire to crowd (read bully) other drivers; tailgating, abrupt lane changes, riding the line between lanes. Nuisance drivers is what many become.
LeftInTX
(25,133 posts)Ever since monster truck shows started rolling into town.....
John1956PA
(2,654 posts)Captain Zero
(6,785 posts)I'm sorry. You are NOT very disabled if you can get into one of those and especially if you can drive it.
Neoma
(10,039 posts)Some people have invisible illnesses and you should not assume someone is not disabled simply because they can walk short distances.
C_U_L8R
(44,990 posts)These people are wearing their fear.
And look pretty ridiculous.
Brother Buzz
(36,381 posts)to purchase the newest flashiest ATV that does everything the small pickups used to do.
And, Hell, nothing says styling like loading your ATV into the back of your pickup truck and cruise the Costco parking lot.
TeamPooka
(24,208 posts)LuckyCharms
(17,413 posts)USALiberal
(10,877 posts)TeamPooka
(24,208 posts)https://thoughtcatalog.com/anonymous/2014/05/8-signs-a-guy-suffers-from-sps-small-penis-syndrome/
Rage, big cars, fast cars, they do a lot to overcompensate.
ecstatic
(32,653 posts)LuckyCharms
(17,413 posts)No thanks.
Midnight Writer
(21,717 posts)I plan to get another ten years out of it.
LuckyCharms
(17,413 posts)Brand new full-sized pickups were reasonably priced back in the 80's and 90's...but now you could buy a decent small house where I live for the same price.
Midnight Writer
(21,717 posts)Red Mountain
(1,727 posts)I'm 6'1" and I can't reach much in the back of one. It's a pain to have to step up into the bed.
Vinca
(50,237 posts)Captain Zero
(6,785 posts)Ha fucking ha. I loved it.
He didn't think about it when he was buying it.
I guess his MAGA hat was too tight on his head that day.
jalan48
(13,842 posts)blugbox
(951 posts)EX500rider
(10,809 posts)fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)They are the most popular vehicle purchased.
I don't think they have a reached a point where they decline yet. Let along to extinction.
gay texan
(2,435 posts)They are shit. My 1971 chevy pickup has far greater visibility and a much better ride.
The price tag on a new truck? 70k. No way in hell for a 4 wheeled penis extension.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)replaced with a longer bed for hauling things. The only reason why I would buy one is to haul stuff, but a day U-Haul rental works just as good.
LuckyCharms
(17,413 posts)88 Ford F150 work truck, 2WD, 5 speed stick, all vinyl floors, no carpet.
90 Ford F150 XLT Lariat, Automatic, 4WD, carpeted, bells and whistles.
97 Ford Ranger. Automatic. 4WD.
2005 Toyota Tundra, 4WD, Automatic.
2004 Chevy Blazer. Automatic. 4WD.
I loved all of those vehicles, for different reasons.
I would not go near one of those luxury trucks. Too expensive. I'd be afraid to use it like a truck should be used.
RobinA
(9,886 posts)I see on local roads are way too clean, undinged, and shiny to be used the way a truck should be used. My friend's husband uses his F-250, at least ten years old, for what they are supposed to be used for. And it doesn't look like it just rolled off the showroom floor, to put it mildly. It looks like a truck that does work.
BusyBeingBest
(8,052 posts)recently got a motorhome so sold our truck and got a used Honda as a "toad" to pull behind the moho. I liked our trucks (they do come in handy for home improvement, trips to the landfill, etc.) but hated the maneuvering and parking. I couldn't really justify owning one now. On edit--we got base models (Ram Tradesman) or used. Have no idea why you would spend over 40,000 for a truck.
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)pattyloutwo
(279 posts)Why get one of those now when we all know the planet is burning? I dont get it.
JCMach1
(27,553 posts)Makes any parking lot dicey
Betty88
(717 posts)Cute and handy. I want one now that we live in the country but I do not want one of those giant trucks. I need a little one for moving stuff around like my kayak to a new lake, that kind of thing.
Dial H For Hero
(2,971 posts)There was one for sale in my area about 20 years ago. I toyed with the idea of buying it, but didn't.
MineralMan
(146,260 posts)You should be able to find one from the 1990s that is in good condition and ready to use for the kinds of things you are talking about. I bought one last year, a 1996, for just $1100. I put four new tires on it and tuned up the engine a little. It should be good for years to come, since I probably won't drive it more than 1000 miles a year.
Check your local Craigs List or Facebook Marketplace. Don't be in a hurry. If you're patient, you'll find a good one for not much money.
I wish I knew more about cars or the thought of buying one that old would not frighten me so much.
GoCubsGo
(32,075 posts)Ford resumed production of the Ranger last year. The old ones were great, little trucks. Don't know much about the current version. I hope they're at least as good.
MineralMan
(146,260 posts)Not the same truck at all. If someone wants a nice small pickup, a used Ranger is a good choice. A Chevy S10 will work, too, but not as many are available.
GoCubsGo
(32,075 posts)Leave it up to Ford to ruin a good thing. I was has happy to learn they were going to start making them again, but it appears they really haven't done that. Dammit.
yonder
(9,657 posts)There's no fear of scratching/banging some useful little pickup when hauling stuff that might be scratchy/bangy. The shiny, flashy 70k rigs are a Madison Avenue invention for those who think they are regularly going to be hauling pallets of brick, bunk's of 2x4's, etc. by watching too many manly truck commercials. Going to the store for a bag of potatoes and a six-pack then swaggering to and from one of those rigs is ridiculous.
If one needs a work truck get a real work truck. A farm/ranch beater does just fine.
misanthrope
(7,408 posts)You can tell at a glance they aren't being used for what a pick-up was meant to do. So then, what's the point? To use more gasoline, thereby driving up the price of your own fuel? Scrutinize the decision and it breaks down as illogical from a few standpoints.
It's just the effect of allowing themselves to be manipulated. Sort of funny when you think how obstinate and contrarian many of those truck owners can be about their "freedom." Can't make them wear a mask but you can make them buy something they don't need and keep paying for it at the pump.
onethatcares
(16,162 posts)hit ya right in the rear view mirror.
I have a 1998 Chev 2500 with std cab. Have it 20 years now with 233K miles on it. No computer, throttle body. Paid 12K out the door and thought that was too much for a pick up truck but it's paid for itself many times and I don't mind loading it with manure, soil, lumber, and any thing else that fits in the bed.
Everytime I see one of those I wonder how long it will take to miss a payment and ruin your credit rating. Crikey, 40k financed over 84 months with insurance, maintenance, tires and repairs. Who the hell is making all the money??? Where? Lawn services can't pay that much.
Coventina
(27,061 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,967 posts)We use it to haul dirt and gravel and go to the dump. My husband went and got classic plates for it, which cracks me up.
MineralMan
(146,260 posts)Coincidentally, someone shot the extended cab side window with a BB gun when I parked it on the street. Related? I'm guessing so. It's parked back in the driveway again.
Fortunately, the window didn't fall out. It just shattered into those chunks, which remained in place. So, I covered it completely with 3M clear packaging tape to keep the chunks all together. I never look out that window anyhow.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,103 posts)here is S. Alabama, they wont be using a bb gun.
ismnotwasm
(41,967 posts)Thats a little scary
Love the bumper sticker though
Vinca
(50,237 posts)Why does every auto maker assume we want to drive something the size of the Queen Mary? If I had known small trucks would be phased out I would have bought a spare new Toyota pickup back in the 80's and stored it somewhere for future use.
Kaleva
(36,256 posts)If there was a demand for small pickups, they'd be available.
Vinca
(50,237 posts)which meant a small pickup would end up with a 25% tax on it, making it too expensive to sell. I just checked again - I do periodically - and apparently there are some manufacturers planning to produce them again. I'll be the first one in line to buy them. I used to watch news footage during the Iraq War and mutter about the trucks the terrorists were driving: small Toyotas. The rest of the world can have them, but we're stuck driving ocean liners around that hold a crew of 8. I thought the king was blabbering about repealing the whole business, but it must have flitted through his head like diarrhea through a diseased colon. In any case, at this point the vehicle manufacturers have to start from scratch with their manufacturing processes so I could be dead first.
MicaelS
(8,747 posts)People want pickups and SUVs. Sales reflect that.
Vinca
(50,237 posts)on a small pickup/SUV combo that sounds like it will be perfect for those of us who just want to schlep a little mulch hay around or take the trash to the dump on Saturday.
eppur_se_muova
(36,247 posts)dawg
(10,621 posts)some people actually do need them.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Here is Florida, I see them polished up better than a top of the line Mercedes. Most of them have never even been in a weed patch, much less hauled a load like concrete blocks or yard waste.
Ron Green
(9,822 posts)especially people walking or cycling; they emit outsized amounts of poison gases, the diesel ones are a noise and smoke hazard, they dont match the bumper heights of other vehicles, they take up much more parking space, they are rarely used in their capacity for carrying, and yes - they are both a response to and a driver of toxic masculinity in communities of all sizes across this country.
Whats not to like?
moondust
(19,959 posts)Isn't that a capitalist principle?
Maybe oil companies losing profits due to electrics and hybrids are pushing car companies to make bigger gas guzzlers.
Bigger trucks make it harder to see around them in traffic and in parking spaces.
Baked Potato
(7,733 posts)We average over 28 mpg on trips. It is comfortable, hauls all our grown children and grandchildren and all their stuff. It is beautiful and roomy and we can drive all friggen day and night and not get crampy or sore.
I have had all sizes of trucks. We test drove the smaller trucks, the Colorado, Nissan, new Ranger. They all were crampy with shitty seats. We wanted smaller, but the room inside just sucked.
The 2.7 develops 300 hp. We love our truck. In 1980 we loved our full sized Chevy. In 2002 we loved our little S-10. It hauled stuff from Home Depot, but we could never travel in it. For that, we had our Chrysler Town & Country.
Occasional, around town hauling... small truck.
Occasional, around town hauling, and comfort, big truck.
Cross- country visits with 4 full size adults and all their stuff and comfort, big truck.
Delarage
(2,186 posts)It's mileage is not great, but I do generally only use it for around town hauling. My car gets 35 mpg at least. Ranger has no rear seats. On one memorable occasion, I ended up with two other adults and a labrador retriever in it---due to poor planning
We were crammed hip-to-hip with Charlie the dog standing and straddling us, head out passenger window and butt directly in my face. Thank God it was a relatively short trip.
Baked Potato
(7,733 posts)Weve had our share of car trips full of kids and groceries, etc. Were older now, of course, and love the room.
At first, we thought the 2.7 was going no to be gutless, but its not, luckily lol.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,103 posts)think that gas is going to be $2 a gallon forever. When it gets close to $4 again, as it will, they will be the first ones bitchin about it.
Liberal In Texas
(13,532 posts)But these truly are beyond gunboats, maybe Juggernauts or Leviathans.
Don't these people get tired of trying to find parking spaces they can fit into?
I have a Kia Niro PHEV midsized SUV and love the fact it fits into almost any space and I can carry lots of stuff if needed. (Of course in these days of covid it's usually my 2 dogs.)
csziggy
(34,131 posts)My 1999 GMC Suburban 2500 is named Moby - it's white and as big as a whale.
When I bought the Suburban, I needed a 3/4 ton truck to haul my horse trailer. Now I seldom haul horses, but the truck is paid for and only has 170,000 miles on it. I still need it sometimes to haul stuff for the farm - last week we took a load of logs to the sawmill, Friday picked the lumber sawed from them and stacked it in the toolshed to dry. Without the truck, we'd would have had another pecan tree rot in place. I figure if I take care of the truck at the rate we use it now, it should last me the rest of my life. Our first Suburban died with close to 500,000 miles on it.
The cars we use regularly are my husband's 2014 Prius V and my 2017 Honda Fit, both easy to park, with great gas mileage. Both have room for groceries and a lot of stuff, and a few people, though my Fit is a little cramped for my husband. Since I drive somewhere maybe once a week (before Coronavirus) it might be the last car I buy!
yonder
(9,657 posts)Ours is a 2017 also. I love that thing. But then I've always liked small cars. The Fit is a great town car, parks very easily, great gas mileage, and is much more advanced than my old '69 Austin America which was as much fun to drive.
About the only place I would fault it is long trips on the highway. It's short wheelbase means you do a little more steering/correcting and after a long day in the seat, you feel it. For our regular trips from Idaho to Colorado and back, we usually take our older CRV.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,308 posts)Owl
(3,639 posts)quickesst
(6,280 posts).... that so many people here on Democratic Underground do not realize how many women there are out there who absolutely love their pickup trucks. Wonder what they're compensating for? 🤔
fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)stopped being clever about 20 years ago.
Yet people still repeat it like they thought it up 5 minutes ago.
quickesst
(6,280 posts).... I don't know where it originated, but I'd say whoever did come up with it must have had issues that I don't think I would want to discuss in public. It's continued use says more about the truck hater than the truck owner.
Dial H For Hero
(2,971 posts)quickesst
(6,280 posts)I own a handgun, but it's a small handgun, so does that mean I'm decompensating for, well, you know?
panader0
(25,816 posts)12 MPG. I only use it very occasionally to carry large stuff--drywall, plywood, gravel, etc.
I mostly drive my 95 Buick Century, 25 MPG, a great little car bought from an old lady.
The vast majority of those big fancy trucks have no scratches in the bed, for the most part
the trucks are never used for their purpose. Old men in unused trucks. I don't get it.
Is it manly? Then use the f'n thing!
SlogginThroughIt
(1,977 posts)we call out the sexism. But then here we are talking about dicks, penises, and impotence.
Maybe we could grow up a little?
I dont drive a large truck.
Dial H For Hero
(2,971 posts)Delarage
(2,186 posts)And "Utes" were the most common form of truck---much more practical, I believe. I wondered why we don't have any here. I almost bought a VW Rabbit small diesel pickup to convert to run on vegetable oil, but I chickened out.
[link:https://carbuzz.com/news/australia-says-goodbye-to-the-ford-falcon-ute-but-not-all-hope-is-lost|
Luz
(772 posts)I think they need to make small size again, and maybe make it a little more worker friendly. Both in price and function.
fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)I took a look at the new ranger recently.
No thanks. WAY to expensive (almost as much as the F150), but highly compromised in function.
If it's going to have half the towing, carrying and storage capacity, it should cost half as much.
vercetti2021
(10,156 posts)Traded down because I didn't need a huge truck. Went with a Nissan Frontier.
jeffreyi
(1,938 posts)meadowlander
(4,388 posts)looking both ways and a monster truck or SUV pulls up next to you and you can't see on-coming traffic because their windows are a foot higher than yours. You end up waiting twice as long as you would otherwise need to because they have oncoming traffic and you don't but can't tell.
There should be a standardised front window height and a ban on tinted glass in front seat windows for road safety reasons. Anyone sitting in any sized car should be able to see through the windows of at least the front seat of any car pulled up next to them.
GoCubsGo
(32,075 posts)Even without the tinted windows, it's still hard to see past them. What's worse is when they pull into the crosswalk. You can forget making your turn until they're gone. And, they're always trying to make a left-hand turn onto the busiest street in town.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)misanthrope
(7,408 posts)For about two decades now. You get on the road and you're immersed in a sea of SUVs and pick-up trucks. This smaller sized city boasted one of the busier GMC Hummer dealers in the nation back in the Bush 43 era.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)there sure are a lot of ginormous Humvees on the road. I see far too many of them for this to be such an impoverished area. It makes no sense. Where are they getting the money for Humvees?
GoCubsGo
(32,075 posts)They don't understand that when one sits up that high, they feel like they are going slower than they really are. And, of course, they don't bother looking at the speedometer to see that they're taking that corner at 40 mph. So, they swing into the oncoming traffic in the process. Many also don't seem to understand that they aren't driving their old Toyota Camry anymore, which is why they do things like hog parking spots. They don't know how to drive a fucking tank. It's especially bad where I live, as they're shitty drivers to start out with. They thing the traffic laws are optional. Pair that with a vehicle that's too big for them to handle, and they make the roads are outright deadly.
fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)But what to do? It's not like consumers design these things. I wish mine was much smaller.
I need towing capacity. That capacity doesn't exist in mid size trucks, minivans, or cars. Also doesn't exist except in large SUVs.
I don't know what pickups need to be so much larger than they were a decade or two ago, but that's the way the auto-makers make them.
FWIW, If you got hit a mini-cooper, your body wouldn't faire well either.
Mosby
(16,260 posts)people still stop me and ask if I want to sell it.
190k and all I have had to replace is a radiator, fan bearing and master cylinder.
I love the standard size and power. The new 1/2 tons are way to big and much to heavy imo. My tundra is only 4200 lbs with almost 300 horses and 12 inches of ground clearance.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)atrocious drivers. They basic skill set for handling a motor vehicle is almost zero.
CRK7376
(2,198 posts)Corolla I bought from my parents when I returned from my first 3 year tour in Germany. Got me through college and I bought an '85 Nissan King Cab.. Put over 250K on it before trading it in for a 2006 Tacoma. Over 260K on that Tacoma, gave it to my daughter for her collage transportation in 2016 Unfortunately daughter wrecked it about 3 weeks later and too costly to repair. I went back into a Corolla for a year and was making my wife crazy whining about not having a truck. We are very active with Boy Scouting, need to haul camping gear, have a small farm need to haul fence posts, hay bales, any number of things. Got another Tacoma in 2016, and am seriously looking at the Tundra 4x4 or an F150 4x4 in the next 3-4 years. Love my trucks, son number one loves his Prius, son number two is looking for his first truck will either get mine or buy his own and I'll take his Altima and trade it in. Wife loves her 4Runner. I not a fan of the monster trucks or dualies, but they have their place in construction, farming etc...And I take my Tacoma to Costco all the time and luckily for me it is right next door to Lowe's Home Improvement and across the street from a Home Depot, So while my wife is in Costco, I go play in the hardware stores....
jmowreader
(50,528 posts)I was thinking about buying one - right now I'm in the middle of a project that involves hauling a lot of building materials, and I couldn't do it in my 2001 Beetle. So, I started looking at larger vehicles.
The 2020 Ranger has almost exactly the same fuel consumption as the 2020 F-150. IIRC the Ranger gets 1MPG better consumption than the F-150 does - which is one of the benefits of making the F-150 body out of aluminum. And the Ranger is not enough smaller than the F-150 to really justify making it.
I wound up with a VW Tiguan, which gets almost as good mileage as the Beetle did, and you sure as hell are not going to put half a ton of porcelain tile in the back of a Bug and go anywhere but the tire store.
DenverJared
(457 posts)Dial H For Hero
(2,971 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... it suits our lifestyle and needs very well. Whether it's tent-camping, pulling our RV, stocking-up at Costco, bringing home wood from Lowe's, carrying pets, plants, mulch, feed, etc... we're glad to have them, and we aren't sending-a-message or compensating.
DenverJared
(457 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)RobinA
(9,886 posts)I would have less of a problem if they were good citizens on the road, but they are often not. They are WAY bigger than one needs to haul things, at least in my suburban area. I despise those things. They forge into the gas station, at night tricked out with so many lights they look like a cruise ship, and totally gum up the flow as they wallow around. Why do these things have to be so tall? I don't live anywhere near the Everglades, there's no swamp for 100 miles. It's the same overkill you see with the gigundoo SUVs that used to be everywhere shuttling kids to soccer practice. There seem to be fewer of them lately. Maybe people got sick of negotiating them around parking lots. Not to mention the fact that they speed up and down my road way faster than is safe. People in cars do that too, but at least they aren't driving a brick wall at 60 mph down a residential road.
Towing is a different story, and yep, it's hard to find something reasonable these days that will tow. But I do not live in a big towing area, so the proliferation of these beasts is not due to the need to tow. Plus, the people who tow I know generally leave the Queen Mary a home unless it's towing or some other truck job, seeing as how they are a pain in parking lots. I remember when my uncle used a Ford station wagon to tow a camper. Those days are gone.
Happy Hoosier
(7,219 posts)I don't have an issue.
But it's really a cultural thing around here. Most of these trucks don't haul a damn thing.
And they are HUGE gas hogs.
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)I need 4 wheel or all wheel drive for the winter for starters. I've just decided that.
But I do feel a little safer the times I've driven an SUV. People are getting insane out there even with more open roads.
I watched a large black F-150 barrel up behind me Sunday, it was swerving in and out of lanes, cutting off smaller vehicles and weaving thru highway traffic.
On the back window was of course, TRUMP 2020.
DenverJared
(457 posts)They always park in spaces marked "compact" -- leaves no room for other cars to enter adjoining spaces.
I drive a tiny car which sits low and is delicate .. the big truck doors have a pointy lower corner and those people are always dinging my car.
When I drive behind one of those monsters, I can't even see what is in front of me and exit signs either.
In a parking lot, when I am pulling back and I have a monster on my right, I cannot see what is coming that may hit me until almost my entire car is out. I have been almost hit by a car while pulling back. One shouldn't have to do that.
Initech
(100,040 posts)The roof of my neighbor's F-150 can literally almost align with the floor of his second story balcony. It's insane.
The Mouth
(3,145 posts)MicaelS
(8,747 posts)What other people "need".
FWIW I hate motorcycles. No one needs one. Ban them.
See how easy that is?