They miss the point entirely.

[SlogginThroughIt]

Their problem isn’t with establishment dems. Establishment dems didn’t appoint Joe Biden. Actual voting Democrats did. Overwhelmingly. And those are the people ones that they need to win over in order to further their agenda. Which is why these people never get anywhere.

[CentralMass]

1. That is one opinion.

[SlogginThroughIt]

2. See something wrong with it?

You think the DNC installed Biden?

[CentralMass]

6. My opinion is that Joe Biden is the establishment candidate.

It however is an academic argument. It Is Joe Biden or the Mango Mousellini.

[SlogginThroughIt]

7. Who would you rather have that isn't an established politician?

A guy that works in government and serves the people his whole entire life has to carry that as a cross to bare? Huh so in your opinion people should only ever work in government for a set amount of time and then they are never to be able to run for office because what??? They have committed too much of themselves?

[CentralMass]

11. I would have rather had Bernie Sanders, Elizaberh Warren. Or few other ff the candidates

However, we have Joe Biden. The establishment candidate.. it is what it is. You brought it up.

[SlogginThroughIt]

12. How is Bernie Sanders NOT establishment?

He has been in Govt forever and has a sweetheart deal with the Vermont democratic party that they will not run a candidate against him.

And more to my point that they fail to get the VOTERS to vote for him and THAT is the reason why he is NOT the nominee. Not some goofy accusation that the democrats installed him. Are we to believe that the Democratic party denied the voters? They they stole voters ballots? That they brainwashed people into voting for Biden? Because there is exactly ONE reason that Biden is the nominee and that is because the people voted for him. I would really like these sour grapes people to come to that conclusion so that maybe just maybe their candidates could gain some traction because they DO have interesting candidates to me. But put the blame where it goes. Not on some fictitious conspiracy theory that makes zero sense to begin with.

[la-trucker]

14. It is pointless arguing with some groups of people

[CentralMass]

16. You can take all the jabs you want, but to argue that our presumptive nominee, who as always

I will vote for, is not the establishment candidate is ridiculous.

[brush]

19. Still fighting the establishment, huh? That phrase has a way of returning...

whenever Sanders' name comes up. It's right out of the 1960s campus radical playbook, which is exactly the campaign Sanders ran in '16 and this time around. It's a non-winner as always. And it's funny that a pol who has been in the Congress/establishment himself for decades with little to show for it, keeps regurgitating it.

[CentralMass]

20. Im' replying to a post that IMO was making a ridiculous argument.

[FoxNewsSucks]

21. It's a matter of ideas and concepts.

Sanders and Biden differ.

"Tenure" and "establishment" aren't necessarily the same thing.

[brush]

24. If you've been in Congress for decades, believe me, you're part of the establishment.

Even if you pretend not to be.

[FoxNewsSucks]

28. Obviously, everyone who's been there for years

knows how things work. But in my opinion, the negative connotations of "establishment" don't apply to everyone just because of the amount of time spent in government. Or any other job for that matter.

[brush]

31. Like I said before, the phrase "the establishment" is a holdover...

from then 1960s campus radical world in which some people still live. With the most dangerous threat to our republic since the Civil War in the WH plotting in every way he can to get re-elected, now is the time for Democratic Party unity pulling in the same direction, not for the divisiveness of anti-democratic establishment rhetoric.

[Cha]

37. Biden & his platform are who & what the Majority Voted for..

No matter how many times that supposed Slur(Establishment!) was thrown his way .. and especially by 3rd party pushers from the 2016 GENERAL ELECTION.

Joe Biden has a large Coalition( African Americans, Latinos, Asian, LBGT(Our DEMOCRATIC BASE) & Now Suburban MOMS! ) which we need to beat the Traitor .. going into the General.

[la-trucker]

34. I was responding to someone else

Did you take t to heart enough to respond?

[brush]

17. Sanders can't get the black vote. Didn't in 2016 either.

No way was he going to be the nominee because of that fact.

[JI7]

27. Bermie Sanders has decades in office with little accomplishment

I don't want a do nothing president that is all talk.

[SlogginThroughIt]

8. Americans OVERWHELMINGLY voted for Biden

Blaming the DNC or “establishment Dems” completely overlooks that they are failing at securing the votes they need to get their candidate elected.

[FoxNewsSucks]

22. It wasn't overwhelming.

We'll vote for him, so it's OK to stop banging that drum. Please. It became a turn-off weeks ago.

[Trumpocalypse]

26. You're right

It was African American voters who voted overwhelmingly for Biden. I’m sure they will be happy to learn that they are the establishment.

[JI7]

29. Actually it was pretty overwhelming, and if someone attacks the nominee

especially with bs conspiracy theories people will respond to their bs.

[Trumpocalypse]

23. So African American voters

are the establishment? Do they know that?

[brush]

32. "The establishment" is an antiquated phrase from the campus radicals of the '60s.

When referring to us African Americans, call us the loyal base of the Democratic Party with no time for divisive rhetoric as we've got a wannabe fascist to beat. Any questions?

[Trumpocalypse]

39. No. Well said.

[Cha]

35. It's more than one opinion.

[SlogginThroughIt]

3. This was a reply to the sunrise movement thread

Not sure why it posted in its own thread.

[Iggo]

4. Thanks for playing!

[SlogginThroughIt]

5. Playing what?

What are you getting at? You think that the Democrats installed Biden?

[blue cat]

9. I really get turned off

By the establishment talking point, as if voters like me are corporate Dems.

[SlogginThroughIt]

10. Right!

The voters are who made the decision on who is the nominee.

[CentralMass]

18. In the 42 years that I've been a Democrat, registered at 18, I have come to a cold hard realization.

Having moved from one blue state to another after 54 years, my vote has been for the most part just a rubber stamp. More times then not my primary choice hasn't won. I have never failed to vote for our nominee, but given the numbers, my vote wouldn't have mattered. However, I faithfully vote. I also honestly believe the best votes in my life and support I've given were for Bernie in these last two elections. I think it has had a consider impact on the parties platform and priorities.

I've become disillusioned with the fiscal and foreign policies of the last 3 decades and the plight of the country and people. Having said that, there is only one sane choice at the polls ever November.

[Squinch]

13. Sigh. A nothing group of malcontents says something and suddenly its the subject of

multiple threads on DU, with the predictable result of arguments among Democrats.

[SlogginThroughIt]

15. Like I said I hit reply to the theead

Not sure why it posted its own thread.

[Cha]

38. Oh wow.. lol. You didn't know you were making an OP?

that's gotta be a first. I believe you.. stranger things have happened.

I knew what you were talking about 'cause I read the other OP before I left for the beach a few hours ago.

[SiliconValley_Dem]

25. yep. I noticed that. after 2016 Russian hijack if election

why don't people question everything and not assume all these groups have our interests in mind.

[JI7]

33. yup,

this isn't a case of naive individuals . It's people who are purposely trying to help Trump win.

[JI7]

30. The sunrise movement is a troll organization that wants Trump to win. They can claim to be anything

but I look at their actions and based on that they are trash that cares nothing for the environment .

[ibegurpard]

36. Any particular incident that necessitated this pot-stirring?