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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe USA is a REPUBLIC, not a Democracy.
`Lets be honest, America. The United States of America is not and never has been a Democracy, despite all the rhetoric from the politicians, who are trying to deceive you. The United States of America was founded and instituted as a REPUBLIC, specifically DESIGNED to prevent America from EVER becoming a Land of Equals. The Founders HATED Democracy and openly said so.
The framers were of the opinion that democracy (rule by the common people) was the worst of all political evils, as Elbridge Gerry put it. For Edmund Randolph, the countrys problems were caused by the turbulence and follies of democracy. Roger Sherman concurred: The people should have as little to do as may be about the Government. According to Alexander Hamilton, all communities divide themselves into the few and the many. The first are the rich and the wellborn, the other the mass of the people.
The people are turbulent and changing; they seldom judge or determine right. He recommended a strong centralized state power to check the imprudence of democracy. And George Washington, the presiding officer at the Philadelphia Convention, urged the delegates not to produce a document merely to please the people.13 Page 8, Democracy For The Few by Michael Parenti
The framers believed the states were not sufficiently forceful in suppressing popular uprisings like Shayss Rebellion, so the federal government was empowered to protect the states against domestic Violence, and Congress was given the task of organizing the militia and calling it forth to suppress Insurrections. Provision was made for erecting forts, arsenals, and armories, and for the maintenance of an army and navy for both national defense and to establish an armed federal presence within potentially insurrectionary states. This measure was to prove a godsend to the industrial barons a century later when the U.S. Army was used repeatedly to break mass strikes by miners and railroad and factory workers. Page 10, Democracy For the Few by Michael Parenti
In keeping with their desire to contain the propertyless majority, the founders inserted what Madison called auxiliary precautions designed to fragment power without democratizing it. They separated the executive, legislative, and judicial functions and then provided a system of checks and balances between the three branches, including staggered elections, executive veto, the possibility of overturning the veto with a two-thirds majority in both houses, Senate confirmation of appointments and ratification of treaties, and a bicameral legislature. They contrived an elaborate and difficult process for amending the Constitution, requiring proposal by two-thirds of both the Senate and the House and ratification by three-fourths of the state legislatures.17 To the extent that it existed at all, the majoritarian principle was tightly locked into a system of minority vetoes, making swift and sweeping popular action less likely. The propertyless majority, as Madison pointed out in Federalist No. 10, must not be allowed to concert in common cause against the propertied class and its established social order. The larger the nation, the greater the variety of parties and interests and the more difficult it would be for a mass majority to act in unison. As Madison argued, A rage for paper money, for an abolition of debts, for an equal division of property, or for any other wicked project will be less apt to pervade the whole body of the Union than a particular member of it. pp 10-11 Democracy For the Few by Michael Parenti
Though supposedly dedicated to selfless and upright goals, the delegates nevertheless bound themselves to the strictest secrecy. Proceedings were conducted behind locked doors and shuttered windows (despite the sweltering Philadelphia summer). Madisons notes, which recorded most of the actual deliberations, were published, at his insistence, only after all participants were dead, fifty-three years later, most likely to avoid political embarrassment to them.21"
The delegates gave nothing to popular interests, ratheras with the Bill of Rightsthey reluctantly made democratic concessions under the threat of popular rebellion. They kept what they could and grudgingly relinquished what they felt they had to, driven not by a love of democracy but by a fear of it, not by a love of the people but by a prudent desire to avoid riot and
insurgency. The Constitution, then, was a product not only of class privilege but of class strugglea struggle that continued as the corporate economy and the government grew. p 16, Democracy For the Few by Michael Parenti
VMA131Marine
(5,139 posts)Republics can be democracies or dictatorships but the key feature that defines them all is the lack of a hereditary monarch.
You can certainly argue about how democratic the US is compared to other republics but being a republic does not preclude a country from being a democracy; the words describe different aspects of a countrys government.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)One of many words that have developed more than one valid and widely understood meaning over the centuries.
NutmegYankee
(16,453 posts)Like Norway, Netherlands, Belgium, and the UK.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)"Even" I've relaxed into using just "democracy." At least I used to be more can't-mistake specific (definitely anal here) for years until I finally accepted that no one was mistaking.
NutmegYankee
(16,453 posts)A system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives. With constitutional monarchies following a Constitution and allowing the country to be lead by leaders elected via universal suffrage, they are indeed as democratic as the USA. Sure, they have some potential checks in place via the monarch, but most are adverse to ever violating the "democratic norms" and interfering. I compare the checks to ours and think we are about even.
And just like in our system, those "democratic norms" are key.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)undefined but firm notion that their democracy is government, as Lincoln said, of, by and for the people, even when the power structure technically varies from nation to nation.
How much it is and how people want it to think of it also varies from person to person. Some are really not comfortable with the responsibility, have a dark view of human nature that insists "the people" will always fail, and want at least an unofficial ruling class made up of people proven overall deserving by earthly success and belonging to the "right" party.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)-Laelth
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)I often hear people argue that the United States is a republic, not a democracy. But thats a false dichotomy. A common definition of republic is, to quote the American Heritage Dictionary, A political order in which the supreme power lies in a body of citizens who are entitled to vote for officers and representatives responsible to them we are that. A common definition of democracy is, Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives we are that, too.
The United States is not a direct democracy, in the sense of a country in which laws (and other government decisions) are made predominantly by majority vote. Some lawmaking is done this way, on the state and local levels, but its only a tiny fraction of all lawmaking. But we are a representative democracy, which is a form of democracy.
And indeed the American form of government has been called a democracy by leading American statesmen and legal commentators from the Framing on. Its true that some Framing-era commentators made arguments that distinguished democracy and republic; see, for instance, The Federalist (No. 10), though even that first draws the distinction between pure democracy and a republic, only later just saying democracy. But even in that era, representative democracy was understood as a form of democracy, alongside pure democracy: John Adams used the term representative democracy in 1794; so did Noah Webster in 1785; so did St. George Tucker in his 1803 edition of Blackstone; so did Thomas Jefferson in 1815. Tuckers Blackstone likewise uses democracy to describe a representative democracy, even when the qualifier representative is omitted.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/05/13/is-the-united-states-of-america-a-republic-or-a-democracy/
onetexan
(13,913 posts)Happy Hoosier
(9,368 posts)Or supposed to be....
malchickiwick
(1,474 posts)of kleptocracy and kakistocracy thrown in for good measure.
blm
(114,405 posts)the founders chose DEMOCRACY to make the republic FUNCTIONABLE.
People have to stop falling for that US is a republic shit.
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)Goodheart
(5,760 posts)VMA131Marine
(5,139 posts)China is a republic, as is North Korea. As I noted in a separate reply, a republic is defined by not having a monarch. Countries with monarchs are kingdoms e.g. United Kingdom of Great Britain, Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, etc. Kingdoms can also be democratic (UK).
Goodheart
(5,760 posts)VMA131Marine
(5,139 posts)Yeehah
(6,126 posts)As of 2017, 159 of the world's 206 sovereign states use the word "republic" as part of their official names not all of these are republics in the sense of having elected governments, nor is the word "republic" used in the names of all nations with elected governments.
VMA131Marine
(5,139 posts) A republic (Latin: res publica, meaning "public affair"
is a form of government in which the country is considered a "public matter", not the private concern or property of the rulers. The primary positions of power within a republic are attained, through democracy, or a mix thereof, rather than being unalterably occupied. It has become the opposing form of government to a monarchy and has therefore no monarch as head of state.
The defining feature of a republic is the absence of a monarch with partial or total authority over the land and resources of the country and where heredity determines the line of succession. You could argue that makes North Korea a monarchy even though that title is not used. China and Russia are certainly republics though more or less authoritarian.
Goodheart
(5,760 posts)VMA131Marine
(5,139 posts)A republic (Latin: res publica, meaning "public affair"
is a form of government in which the country is considered a "public matter", not the private concern or property of the rulers. The primary positions of power within a republic are attained, through democracy, or a mix thereof, rather than being unalterably occupied. It has become the opposing form of government to a monarchy and has therefore no monarch as head of state.
Rome was a republic but certainly not democratic in the way we would recognise it.
Yeehah
(6,126 posts)It's depressing to see so many debating this in this thread.
"But China is a republic!!"
lapucelle
(20,931 posts)of this Constitutional Convention debate.
Towlie
(5,554 posts)Paladin
(32,170 posts)...I find somebody else to talk to.
greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)It's wild that these people think they're spouting original or interesting thoughts.
kentuck
(115,019 posts)It has evolved into a representative democratic republic. There is much more emphasis on "democracy" today than then.
coti
(4,625 posts)Russian propaganda, quite frankly.
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)anytime I hear someone say "the USA is a republic, not a democracy" I just think "well you don't even know what words mean, why should I pay attention to anything else you have to say?"
yellowcanine
(36,702 posts)Among other things, it is used to oppose the direct election of the President.