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SunSeeker

(51,549 posts)
Mon Aug 3, 2020, 05:58 PM Aug 2020

Man fires at officers with AK-47 after refusing to wear a mask

When a cigar shop clerk told Adam Zaborowski on Friday he had to wear a mask in the shop, the 35-year-old angrily refused. Instead, he grabbed two stogies, stormed outside — and then pulled a handgun and shot at the clerk, Bethlehem Township, Pa., police said.

The next day, cornered near his home, Zaborowski allegedly fired at police with an AK-47, sparking a wild shootout with at least seven officers that ended with him shot multiple times and under arrest.

The case is the latest violent incident tied to arguments over mandatory mask orders. But Zaborowski’s reaction was driven by his own intense difficulty with the pandemic, his attorney claimed; before the shootout, Zaborowski had lost his job and had also recently lost custody of his child

“He just wasn’t dealing well with the loss of his job, the loss of his child, just not handling the pandemic well,” John Waldron told the Express-Times on Sunday, while noting those factors didn’t justify his violent conduct. “I think he was getting stretched too tight.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/08/03/mask-mandatory-pennsylvania-shooting-police/

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Man fires at officers with AK-47 after refusing to wear a mask (Original Post) SunSeeker Aug 2020 OP
Lemme guess ... white man, perchance? (nt) mr_lebowski Aug 2020 #1
Yup. SunSeeker Aug 2020 #11
thank you for saying this RT Atlanta Aug 2020 #30
Joni Ernst carries a gun in case the government decides "my rights are no longer important" TomCADem Aug 2020 #36
I'm feeling like this guy must have been white, the story doesn't end with him dead ms liberty Aug 2020 #2
"I think he was getting stretched too tight." Glorfindel Aug 2020 #3
"I think he was getting stretched too tight" gratuitous Aug 2020 #4
Bitter Clinger. nt Progressive Jones Aug 2020 #5
BOO FUCKING HOO Skittles Aug 2020 #6
" lost custody of his child" justgamma Aug 2020 #7
He's single, ladies! SunSeeker Aug 2020 #9
OMG!!! Doreen Aug 2020 #56
I am not Christian but I said: " Thank God he lost them." Doreen Aug 2020 #57
Well I guess the good news here is that jimlup Aug 2020 #8
he got shot in the buttocks and the leg.. stillcool Aug 2020 #10
Right? SunSeeker Aug 2020 #12
Fake news. According to DU experts, it is impossible for cops to shoot anywhere that isn't lethal. PSPS Aug 2020 #17
that's only when they're shooting black people... stillcool Aug 2020 #21
+1, uponit7771 Aug 2020 #45
Police use the magical "White gun" HuskyOffset Aug 2020 #69
If the cops had 9mm handguns and shooting from a distance hack89 Aug 2020 #33
I'm sure they tried to kill him but failed Polybius Aug 2020 #35
They must have been REALLY lousy shots. Crunchy Frog Aug 2020 #32
Cops are usually lousy shots hack89 Aug 2020 #34
I watched a shootout once from my office window. BGBD Aug 2020 #38
shot in the butt? Locrian Aug 2020 #58
For those who think White Privilege isn't a real thing ... mr_lebowski Aug 2020 #13
Well said. SharonClark Aug 2020 #25
+1 dalton99a Aug 2020 #26
Pretty sure BGBD Aug 2020 #40
My bad ... I looked up an article on this looking for a pic and skimmed thru it too fast ... mr_lebowski Aug 2020 #47
Can't handle wearing a mask? Fucking snowflake. (nt) Paladin Aug 2020 #14
He's dead right? I KNOW they shot his ass like 79 times????? Afromania Aug 2020 #15
They shot him 3 times, but hit his butt & legs, so he'll live. Who knew aiming at legs was possible? SunSeeker Aug 2020 #16
And they didn't leave him in the road for 4 hours to bleed to death like Michael Brown. SunSeeker Aug 2020 #24
They probably took him for a burger ornotna Aug 2020 #27
+1, uponit7771 Aug 2020 #46
He Had An AK-47? ProfessorGAC Aug 2020 #18
I am sure it was a civilian model hack89 Aug 2020 #50
I Hope So ProfessorGAC Aug 2020 #51
Fully automatic weapons are tightly regulated hack89 Aug 2020 #52
Then, I Guessed Right ProfessorGAC Aug 2020 #53
Probably not a "real" AK-47, but shoots the same bullets JustABozoOnThisBus Aug 2020 #60
There's Great Ones From The DR, As Well ProfessorGAC Aug 2020 #61
DR? I'd ask for your recommendation, but ... JustABozoOnThisBus Aug 2020 #66
Dominican Republic ProfessorGAC Aug 2020 #68
That magat has had enough winning. ooky Aug 2020 #19
He did what? Grins Aug 2020 #20
Yup. SunSeeker Aug 2020 #22
He lost what...? Grins Aug 2020 #23
And he's still alive. What a surprise. Crunchy Frog Aug 2020 #28
Glad he lost custody,hope he never gets it I_UndergroundPanther Aug 2020 #29
Thoughts and prayers. lindysalsagal Aug 2020 #31
Maybe losing his job and kid BGBD Aug 2020 #37
Folks going through worst.. HipChick Aug 2020 #55
gee, I wonder why he lost custody of his child SiliconValley_Dem Aug 2020 #39
Shocking this guy would lose his job and custody of his child JI7 Aug 2020 #41
Just wear the damn mask! Poiuyt Aug 2020 #42
More damage to our society due to right-wing brainwashing.... KY_EnviroGuy Aug 2020 #43
Still alive? I... greyl Aug 2020 #44
That's exactly what I thought.. HipChick Aug 2020 #54
More evidence to support an assault weapons ban dlk Aug 2020 #48
Totally agree. nt SunSeeker Aug 2020 #49
Loss of job / child is not an excuse for shooting at people. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2020 #59
He REALLY doesn't want to wear a mask. JohnnyRingo Aug 2020 #62
If he thinks masks impinged his freedumb, wait tell he gets a taste of jail. nt SunSeeker Aug 2020 #63
I'm surprised they arrested him Bettie Aug 2020 #64
See what happens when you mix stupidity with guns, and refusing to wear a mask? Aussie105 Aug 2020 #65
OMG!! magats really taking this thing Cha Aug 2020 #67
All he had to do was wear a mask for the 5 minutes or so it would have taken to buy his cigars. SunSeeker Aug 2020 #70

TomCADem

(17,387 posts)
36. Joni Ernst carries a gun in case the government decides "my rights are no longer important"
Tue Aug 4, 2020, 12:17 AM
Aug 2020

You play stupid games, you get stupid prizes. The pandemic shows what happens when you feed a base a mixture of racism and propaganda with Trump validating all this craziness as the President.

https://www.salon.com/2014/10/23/tea_partiers_scary_extremism_joni_ernst_carries_a_gun_in_case_the_government_decides_my_rights_are_no_longer_important/

Joni Ernst, the Tea Party Republican taking on Democrat Bruce Braley to succeed the retiring Sen. Tom Harkin, declared at a 2012 NRA rally that she carries a gun to defender herself against the government, "should they decide that my rights are no longer important.”

Speaking at the NRA and Iowa Firearms Coalition's Second Amendment Rally, Ernst said, “I have a beautiful little Smith & Wesson, 9 millimeter, and it goes with me virtually everywhere. But I do believe in the right to carry, and I believe in the right to defend myself and my family -- whether it’s from an intruder, or whether it’s from the government, should they decide that my rights are no longer important.”

Ernst's statement is reminiscent of remarks made by Tea Party Senate candidate Sharron Angle in 2010. Angle, the Nevada GOP's ultimately unsuccessful nominee against Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, said in an interview that year that the Second Amendment "is for us when our government becomes tyrannical."

"I'm hoping that we're not getting to Second Amendment remedies," Angle added. "I hope the vote will be the cure for the Harry Reid problems."

ms liberty

(8,572 posts)
2. I'm feeling like this guy must have been white, the story doesn't end with him dead
Mon Aug 3, 2020, 06:05 PM
Aug 2020

I hope he gets the help he needs.

Glorfindel

(9,726 posts)
3. "I think he was getting stretched too tight."
Mon Aug 3, 2020, 06:06 PM
Aug 2020

Awww...poor baby. OF COURSE he needed to unwind by stealing, shooting at a clerk, and then engaging in a wild shoot-out with police. Who among us has not been in the exact same situation? I'm glad he didn't hurt anyone, though.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
4. "I think he was getting stretched too tight"
Mon Aug 3, 2020, 06:07 PM
Aug 2020

Mr. Zaborowski was lucky he didn't grab some Swisher Sweets. That's a capital offense in some parts of the country. But at least he was able to get access to firearms. Easier to do that than get help for a mental health crisis.

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
8. Well I guess the good news here is that
Mon Aug 3, 2020, 06:17 PM
Aug 2020

the enemy (those like him) are clearly insane. So if they do decide to resort to violence as they are shown the door it will be stupid violence that is easily stopped by the sane folks of our country.

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
10. he got shot in the buttocks and the leg..
Mon Aug 3, 2020, 06:20 PM
Aug 2020

and is expected to recover. I didn't know police knew how to do that? By rights, he should have been shot 10-12 times, at least.

PSPS

(13,584 posts)
17. Fake news. According to DU experts, it is impossible for cops to shoot anywhere that isn't lethal.
Mon Aug 3, 2020, 06:59 PM
Aug 2020

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
21. that's only when they're shooting black people...
Mon Aug 3, 2020, 07:20 PM
Aug 2020

their aim is completely different with white people, and they must have less bullets. Maybe a black gun and a white gun?

HuskyOffset

(888 posts)
69. Police use the magical "White gun"
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 07:57 AM
Aug 2020

It knows to fire fewer bullets at white people and only at non-lethal body parts. That's gotta be it, right? I mean, no way police are deliberately emptying the whole magazine at non-white people, while only firing a few bullets or no bullets at Caucasians, right? It must be those magical guns. After all, people don't kill people, guns do.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
33. If the cops had 9mm handguns and shooting from a distance
Mon Aug 3, 2020, 09:46 PM
Aug 2020

Then no surprise. Handgun wounds are surprisingly survivable if the head or vital organs are missed.

Polybius

(15,367 posts)
35. I'm sure they tried to kill him but failed
Mon Aug 3, 2020, 11:53 PM
Aug 2020

There's no way anyone takes it lightly when they are being shot at with an AK-47.

Crunchy Frog

(26,579 posts)
32. They must have been REALLY lousy shots.
Mon Aug 3, 2020, 09:02 PM
Aug 2020

I'm always reading on here that cops are trained to shoot to kill, and never, EVER aim to disable someone nonlethally.

They must have been aiming for the head and trunk, and just screwed it up.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
34. Cops are usually lousy shots
Mon Aug 3, 2020, 09:48 PM
Aug 2020

They are not trained to be skilled marksmen. Many only shoot twice a year.

 

BGBD

(3,282 posts)
38. I watched a shootout once from my office window.
Tue Aug 4, 2020, 12:32 AM
Aug 2020

half a dozen cops, each shot problem ~15 rounds. They hit the guy once total, but it was in the head and he died on the spot. I walked down there after they clear out a few hours later, it was like a warzone. Bulletholes in windows, brick, poles, everywhere.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
13. For those who think White Privilege isn't a real thing ...
Mon Aug 3, 2020, 06:26 PM
Aug 2020

Last edited Tue Aug 4, 2020, 04:28 AM - Edit history (1)

imagine the county DA making excuses like this for a black man who had stolen from, and then shot at, a shop owner, and then used an AK-47 against the cops themselves when they showed up to arrest him?

And if one did, do you think he'd be in a hospital right now?

Okay, well maybe in the basement ...

EDIT: sorry that was his own lawyer, not the DA. Misread a different article on this ...

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
47. My bad ... I looked up an article on this looking for a pic and skimmed thru it too fast ...
Tue Aug 4, 2020, 04:25 AM
Aug 2020

"“He just wasn’t dealing well with the loss of his job, the loss of his child, just not handling the pandemic well,” Waldron said. “I think he was getting stretched too tight.”

“It doesn’t excuse his conduct,” Lehigh County District Attorney James Martin said."

Is how it reads.

I caught the name in the second part and thought it was all the same person. Thanks for the correction.

Afromania

(2,768 posts)
15. He's dead right? I KNOW they shot his ass like 79 times?????
Mon Aug 3, 2020, 06:28 PM
Aug 2020

He just wasn’t dealing well with the loss of his job, the loss of his child, just not handling the pandemic well,” John Waldron told the Express-Times on Sunday, while noting those factors didn’t justify his violent conduct. “I think he was getting stretched too tight.

Of course, he's white. He's still alive.

Meanwhile, I break down in the middle of a highway at night and need to pray that I don't get "help" from the police.

SunSeeker

(51,549 posts)
16. They shot him 3 times, but hit his butt & legs, so he'll live. Who knew aiming at legs was possible?
Mon Aug 3, 2020, 06:50 PM
Aug 2020

ProfessorGAC

(64,965 posts)
18. He Had An AK-47?
Mon Aug 3, 2020, 07:03 PM
Aug 2020

An actual, real AK-47?
Fully automatic?
For a guy who is wrapped as tight as his lawyer claims?
If this guy has this kind of gun, they might as well pass out RPGs to everybody and seal the deal.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
50. I am sure it was a civilian model
Tue Aug 4, 2020, 01:05 PM
Aug 2020

and was not fully automatic. Real Ak's are rare and damned expensive - as they should be.

ProfessorGAC

(64,965 posts)
51. I Hope So
Tue Aug 4, 2020, 01:09 PM
Aug 2020

But, this does bring up a question.
Why are they expensive?
One of the major benefits of the design was all stamped parts, therefore easy & cheap to manufacture.
Is it because fully auto models are, by definition, black market items?

hack89

(39,171 posts)
52. Fully automatic weapons are tightly regulated
Tue Aug 4, 2020, 01:13 PM
Aug 2020

with no new weapons legally entering the marketplace since 1986. So they are a scarce commodity that command extremely high prices - and extensive background checks. Legal fully automatic weapons are basically toys for the very rich.

ProfessorGAC

(64,965 posts)
53. Then, I Guessed Right
Tue Aug 4, 2020, 01:17 PM
Aug 2020

Getting them in any way is pricey because it's either loaded with barriers to entry or illegal.
Got it!
Thanks

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,336 posts)
60. Probably not a "real" AK-47, but shoots the same bullets
Tue Aug 4, 2020, 06:04 PM
Aug 2020

I'm sure if one hits you, it makes no difference how "real" the AK47 is.

He may lose his gun privilege over this. I hope the cigars were really good. Cubans, maybe.

ProfessorGAC

(64,965 posts)
61. There's Great Ones From The DR, As Well
Tue Aug 4, 2020, 06:17 PM
Aug 2020

I've been into cigars for decades.
There are people at the golf course that only know me as "Cigar"! That oughta tell you something!
But, I wouldn't think to steal a couple then open fire!
My conclusion?
Cigars don't cause violence!
Did I convince ya?

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,336 posts)
66. DR? I'd ask for your recommendation, but ...
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 05:48 AM
Aug 2020

... but I'm afraid a good cigar might cause me to take up smoking again. I think I'm too weak to stop at "just one".

I'll settle for some aromatic second-hand cigar smoke at the golf course. Hmm, izzat you?

Grins

(7,203 posts)
20. He did what?
Mon Aug 3, 2020, 07:19 PM
Aug 2020
“(He) grabbed two stogies, stormed outside...”

You mean like Michael Brown Jr. in Ferguson, Mo? And the cops didn’t shoot him dead?

Was he white....?

Grins

(7,203 posts)
23. He lost what...?
Mon Aug 3, 2020, 07:25 PM
Aug 2020
”...had also recently lost custody of his child”

Gee. I wonder why? I hope he could afford an AK-47....

Crunchy Frog

(26,579 posts)
28. And he's still alive. What a surprise.
Mon Aug 3, 2020, 08:55 PM
Aug 2020

If he were black, would he still be alive, and would we be hearing about his "difficulties"?

I_UndergroundPanther

(12,462 posts)
29. Glad he lost custody,hope he never gets it
Mon Aug 3, 2020, 08:58 PM
Aug 2020

Back. And he needs to go to jail. I don't care what his excuses are..we all have to deal with covid.

 

BGBD

(3,282 posts)
37. Maybe losing his job and kid
Tue Aug 4, 2020, 12:29 AM
Aug 2020

had a lot more to do with him being batshit crazy than the pandemic.

HipChick

(25,485 posts)
55. Folks going through worst..
Tue Aug 4, 2020, 01:19 PM
Aug 2020

don't pull out a gun...this time has been hard on all of us, magnifying things though..

Poiuyt

(18,122 posts)
42. Just wear the damn mask!
Tue Aug 4, 2020, 12:39 AM
Aug 2020

It's not that big of a deal. He's going to be in prison for a long time, but that could have been prevented by wearing a mask.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,489 posts)
43. More damage to our society due to right-wing brainwashing....
Tue Aug 4, 2020, 01:05 AM
Aug 2020

resulting in insane individuality and massive loss of community-mindedness and civic responsibility.

Resulting in....
* Another adult life lost to prison and the community will have to pay his medical and incarceration costs.
* Child will likely lose all child support and will have zero relations with his father.
* Numerous people in that community now living in even more fear.

All over refusal to perform the simple unselfish act of wearing a mask for what.....10-minutes?

May people like Rupert Murdoch, Rush Limbaugh, Newt Gingrich and Donald Trump burn in hell forever for the destruction they've done to what used to be a reasonably decent America.


KY...........

dlk

(11,540 posts)
48. More evidence to support an assault weapons ban
Tue Aug 4, 2020, 11:26 AM
Aug 2020

There’s just no logical reason for civilians to carry weapons of war.

JohnnyRingo

(18,623 posts)
62. He REALLY doesn't want to wear a mask.
Tue Aug 4, 2020, 09:26 PM
Aug 2020

He'll now have a future of never legally having a gun, or even bullets.

He lied on the registration question where he claimed sanctity of mind.

Aussie105

(5,366 posts)
65. See what happens when you mix stupidity with guns, and refusing to wear a mask?
Tue Aug 4, 2020, 11:47 PM
Aug 2020

The police come gunning for you!

Might just be easier to wear a mask? Not rocket science. Or brain surgery.

But too difficult for some, it appears.

Nice of his attorney to make excuses for him . . . 'he was getting stretched too tight' is no excuse. But White privilege and all that.

Cha

(297,033 posts)
67. OMG!! magats really taking this thing
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 06:03 AM
Aug 2020

personally.

This latest for him only makes it worse. All he had to do was follow the rules of the Cigar store.

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