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cilla4progress

(24,407 posts)
Tue Aug 4, 2020, 11:01 AM Aug 2020

Over think Jonathan Swan interview q with me

comparing stats for death as a proportion of cases v. population.

Deaths as a proportion of cases would be higher than as a proportion of population.

What is the salient point being made here in mocking drumpf?

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Over think Jonathan Swan interview q with me (Original Post) cilla4progress Aug 2020 OP
In the interview it was a comparison to other countries #s leftieNanner Aug 2020 #1
He's actually arguing against himself from one moment to the next Johnny2X2X Aug 2020 #2
Whenever posting a stat like that genxlib Aug 2020 #6
No doubt Johnny2X2X Aug 2020 #8
That trump doesn't know the facts because SharonClark Aug 2020 #3
You have to cut him some clack. There are many "per capitas" Roland99 Aug 2020 #9
One take away is that this is the info Trump is given and it's all he knows. underpants Aug 2020 #4
Trump always claims we've got so many cases because we test so much (also not true) RockRaven Aug 2020 #5
I see. cilla4progress Aug 2020 #7

leftieNanner

(14,946 posts)
1. In the interview it was a comparison to other countries #s
Tue Aug 4, 2020, 11:05 AM
Aug 2020

Looking at Germany and South Korea specifically, our numbers per capita are terrible. IT couldn't understand the difference.

(I love the concept of referring to the squatter in the Oval Office as IT!)

Johnny2X2X

(18,359 posts)
2. He's actually arguing against himself from one moment to the next
Tue Aug 4, 2020, 11:07 AM
Aug 2020

Arguing that we test a ton and then our death rate is low. Well, the death rate would be low because we test a lot, the 2 points don't support each other for us doing a good job.

And the US is 9th in deaths per capita, while we are 18th in tests per capita.

genxlib

(5,485 posts)
6. Whenever posting a stat like that
Tue Aug 4, 2020, 11:19 AM
Aug 2020

I prefer to add "SO FAR".

Many of those Countries with worse outcomes ahead of us on the list are well over the hump. We are heading into a new peak. I suspect that we will catch up to a number of them.

Johnny2X2X

(18,359 posts)
8. No doubt
Tue Aug 4, 2020, 11:28 AM
Aug 2020

The rate we're heading vs the rest of the world, only San Martino and Belgium will end up worse than the US in terms of deaths per capita.

SharonClark

(9,984 posts)
3. That trump doesn't know the facts because
Tue Aug 4, 2020, 11:11 AM
Aug 2020

he will only accept information that is positive toward him. He became flustered when Swan corrected him using facts.

That and trump’s self promotion and general befuddlement during the interview.

underpants

(181,531 posts)
4. One take away is that this is the info Trump is given and it's all he knows.
Tue Aug 4, 2020, 11:12 AM
Aug 2020

As a proportion of cases shows how well treatment is going though.
This is all Trump knows. He’s not prepared if anything else is mentioned and he didn’t support the number he was using. The staff either didn’t spell that out to him or he just can’t retain it. He gets these graphs and it’s al Oooh Awww isn’t that the best? It’s really great! ....you see it has to be great because it’s associated with him.

RockRaven

(14,589 posts)
5. Trump always claims we've got so many cases because we test so much (also not true)
Tue Aug 4, 2020, 11:18 AM
Aug 2020

And this line of questioning undercuts one of the insinuations of that talking point. Having lower deaths per case is either a sign that we're testing so much we are catching cases other countries miss, or that our health system is better at saving lives, both of which are things Trump would consider brag-worthy. That's why he wants to use that metric.

But Trump's big failure is how widespread the disease has gotten compared to other countries, and with it how widespread the suffering and death, and comparing deaths per population captures that in a decidedly un-brag-worthy fashion.

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