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Tue Aug 4, 2020, 12:16 PM

Poll: Tommy Tuberville leads Doug Jones by 17 points in Alabama Senate race

Tuberville leads Jones 52 percent to 35 percent. Well this sucks. I thought Jones would fare better against Tubby than Sessions, but it looks like it didn't matter.

https://www.al.com/politics/2020/08/poll-tommy-tuberville-leads-doug-jones-by-17-points-in-alabama-senate-race.html

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Reply Poll: Tommy Tuberville leads Doug Jones by 17 points in Alabama Senate race (Original post)
Polybius Aug 2020 OP
The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2020 #1
Hoyt Aug 2020 #3
Coleman Aug 2020 #2
cilla4progress Aug 2020 #4
Polybius Aug 2020 #5
SallyHemmings Aug 2020 #6
Sympthsical Aug 2020 #7
maxsolomon Aug 2020 #10
JCMach1 Aug 2020 #8
Me. Aug 2020 #9
GeorgeGist Aug 2020 #11
dsc Aug 2020 #12
judeling Aug 2020 #13
Polybius Aug 2020 #14
in2herbs Aug 2020 #15
Polybius Aug 2020 #16
in2herbs Aug 2020 #17
Polybius Aug 2020 #18

Response to Polybius (Original post)

Tue Aug 4, 2020, 12:18 PM

1. Apparently for a Democrat to win in Alabama, his opponent has to be

a child molester. Just being a stupid racist won't do it, since that's a feature and not a bug.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #1)

Tue Aug 4, 2020, 12:22 PM

3. Kinda sad, but you nailed it.

 

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Tue Aug 4, 2020, 12:21 PM

2. In Alabama, what matters is

#1 Alabama football #2 Auburn football #3 Any other football #4 Christ #5 Momma

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Tue Aug 4, 2020, 12:24 PM

4. Well hopefully Jones will have a post at a reconstructed DOJ

In a Biden administration.

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Response to cilla4progress (Reply #4)

Tue Aug 4, 2020, 12:26 PM

5. He'd be a great AG

Him or Harris.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Tue Aug 4, 2020, 12:26 PM

6. Football is a religion in those parts

Being a Former coach and player itís not surprising.

Itís unfortunate.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Tue Aug 4, 2020, 12:27 PM

7. We knew Jones was a bit of a one-off

Moore was just that bad. But there was very little chance we'd retain that seat once a non-pedophile Republican was nominated.

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Response to Sympthsical (Reply #7)

Tue Aug 4, 2020, 12:34 PM

10. Alabama is just that bad.

I come to you
And see all this ruin
What are you doing Alabama?
You got the rest of the union
To help you along
What's going wrong?

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Tue Aug 4, 2020, 12:28 PM

8. Civil Rights hero, legit or a washed up alky

Ex football coach...

Shouldn't be a contest

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Tue Aug 4, 2020, 12:33 PM

9. Apparently They're Going To Get The :eader They Deserve

Sad really, Jones is such a decent guy.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Tue Aug 4, 2020, 12:59 PM

11. Yet Black athletes will continue to give Alabama ...

winning football teams.

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Response to GeorgeGist (Reply #11)

Tue Aug 4, 2020, 01:04 PM

12. yeah this

Black athletes should refuse to play at these schools. Some are doing so at Liberty due to Falwell Jr. College athletics, no matter your opinion of the justice of the matter, are a huge pressure point in many states which don't have wide spread professional sports. In NC, it was the loss of the NCAA tournament and the ACC tournament which likely cost McCrory the election to Cooper.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Tue Aug 4, 2020, 01:15 PM

13. Way to early yet for one poll

Alabama and Kentucky will be tough but I'm not resigned yet.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Tue Aug 4, 2020, 01:44 PM

15. Too bad. By acting like a D since his election maybe he could have educated the population

in his state as to the differences between a D and an R and maybe have a better chance at re-election. But, noooo, too many people wanted him to play it safe which required him to act like an R. When are Ds going to stop being ashamed that they're a D and start taking risks?

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Response to in2herbs (Reply #15)

Tue Aug 4, 2020, 01:52 PM

16. Jones never acted like a Republican

He's consistently voted against against Trump's federal judges, against Kavanaugh, for choice, wanting to remove Confederate statues, and to convict Trump after he was impeached. He is much to the left of Joe Manchin. Frankly, I think his only chance was to act more like Manchin, but he didn't.

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Response to Polybius (Reply #16)

Tue Aug 4, 2020, 02:16 PM

17. The articles I read say different. I understand that the mantra is that we are better off with

Jones, Manchin, etc., because it gives the Ds one more towards a majority, but that concept fails to consider that the voting public needs to be educated as to why its better to be a D than an R.

July 2, 2018 NBC News article:

Three weeks after he was sworn in, Jones was among six Democrats to break with party leaders to join Republicans in voting for a short-term bill to extend government funding and prevent a shutdown. The bill failed by a single vote, and a shutdown lasted for several days.

Jones said he didn't love the measure but wasn't concerned about pleasing Democratic leaders. That was one of four crucial votes in which Jones defected from much of his party. He also broke with leadership in January to vote to confirm Alex Azar for secretary of Health and Human Services and again in March to vote for a measure that rolled back some banking regulations instituted by the Dodd-Frank Wall Street reform law. In April, Jones joined five red-state Democrats in voting to confirm Mike Pompeo as secretary of state.

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Jones has voted in support of Trump 53 percent of the time in 17 key votes he's taken since joining the Senate, according to FiveThirtyEight.com's vote tracker. That's more than all but three Democratic senators (Joe Manchin of West Virginia, Heidi Heitkamp of North Dakota and Joe Donnelly of Indiana), all of whom are from red states and facing re-election this fall.

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And despite having cast more votes in the Senate in support of the president's agenda than all but three of his Democratic colleagues, Jones has yet to build a solid bridge to the majority-Republican electorate that would help his re-election prospects in two years.

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Per ProPublica Jones has voted against the D party 21.4% of the time.

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Response to in2herbs (Reply #17)

Tue Aug 4, 2020, 02:32 PM

18. But unlike Manchin at times, on big wedge issues he's always voted with the Democrats

The average Alabama conservative doesn't care that he voted with Republicans on economic issues. In order to turn them, he's gotta piss of the Party and vote with Republicans on hot-button issues, such as voting for Kavanaugh or against impeachment. It wouldn't have made a difference anyway in the end results, because Kav got in and Trump wasn't removed. He's also very liberal on social issues, unlike Manchin. The final nail in the coffin is that he supports an assault weapons ban, which is poison to Alabama.

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