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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDid the NY ATTY Gen Just turn out millions of votes for Trump?
And increase the likelihood that there will not be a transition of power.
trueblue2007
(17,203 posts)Response to trueblue2007 (Reply #76)
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PJMcK
(22,025 posts)Thanks, in advance.
Edwcraig
(290 posts)This sure did not decrease it.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Or something?
I don't doubt for a moment that investigation into Trump's criminal activities is going to generate a great deal of anger among some and that they'll double down on votes that were already set in stone. If that's possible.
But as to your assumptions of its net effects on voting behavior, I think you should at least wait until it's actually, you know, happening and can be studied and measured. We know reactions to exposure of his business dealings won't be all one way.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)So it helps us 50% more than it helps the MAGAts.
GreenPartyVoter
(72,377 posts)gratuitous
(82,849 posts)Next question.
hlthe2b
(102,197 posts)has escaped you?
sweetloukillbot
(11,003 posts)The 2A voters aren't going to see the nuance. I also don't think there will be a significant uptick in voters from it, and it's certainly not going to draw voters from Biden.
hlthe2b
(102,197 posts)so, among NRA members, they will know the difference. Among idiot RWers who can't read, think, or distinguish between a swastika and an American flag, probably not.
DeeNice
(575 posts)It doesn't matter that it's not a gun rights case. Was there ever a legit gun rights threat during Obama's presidency? No, and all they did was screech about "he's comin fer are gunz!" They see what they want to see.
That being said, like another poster said, I don't think anyone's coming off the fence about this.
rzemanfl
(29,556 posts)"Hey, your friend stole your money." Does not provoke a "What a great guy!" response.
radical noodle
(8,000 posts)and nope.
wcmagumba
(2,883 posts)demmiblue
(36,837 posts)Thomas Hurt
(13,903 posts)The screeching far right loons will swear this is a conspiracy against the NRA and Trump but they were going to vote for him anyway. Watch, they will be saying that the fix is in and NYAG has already won this civil case by that conspiracy.
If he wins the election there will not have to be a transition of power...he won.
We need to make sure he doesn't win.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)Every potential Trump voter who chooses to stay home because Trump is such an incompetent boob is essentially a vote for Biden. Motivating them to go vote when they otherwise wouldn't have is a huge problem.
Biden yesterday proclaimed he would ban assault weapons upon being elected President. Now the AG wants to dissolve the NRA - a fine position to take - but a position that should have been taken after the election.
When we are talking about margins of a few thousand voters in a few specific swing states, every action that motivates the opposition to vote is a negative for us. There are two main wedge issues right now - abortion and gun rights. We need to not fan the flames on either issue just prior to the election taking place!
RBG is almost certain to retire during the next term. Do we really want to gamble with that vacancy?
Thomas Hurt
(13,903 posts)They don't give a rat's a$$ that he is an incompetent boob. They don't believe the evidence that he is an incompetent boob when it is put before them. Anything that disses their Supreme Leader is fake news to them.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)When the margins are as close as they were in 2016 - with mere tenths of a percent making the difference in some swing states - any tiny change to voter turnout can make or break our chances.
AleksS
(1,665 posts)People are gun nuts here, and I wonder if there were some folks who didnt want to vote for trump, and were just going to stay home, but might be convinced to actually vote Trump to protect their gunz.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)WI and MI were very close in 2016. This could easily make the difference, unfortunately. But with any luck there will be enough swing votes that have been appalled by Trump's behavior that it doesn't swing the states back his direction.
Kaleva
(36,291 posts)That's what gives them such power. They vote.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)any wedge issues need to be handled carefully and appropriately.
Kaleva
(36,291 posts)PTWB
(4,131 posts)HRC lost Wisconsin by 7 tenths of 1%.
HRC lost Pennsylvania by 7 tenths of 1%.
The simple fact is that we cannot afford to alienate voters by mishandling messaging on wedge issues prior to the election. It is crazy to pick this fight.
Joe Biden says he will ban assault weapons when he is elected President. But really, will he? That would require flipping the senate which is going to be very difficult to do against that type of messaging.
Kaleva
(36,291 posts)Plus, I was too tired to debate as I was up since 4 and was babysitting. Take care!
PTWB
(4,131 posts)They've made it harder for Joe to win the swing states.
stopbush
(24,395 posts)PTWB
(4,131 posts)But I wonder, are you saying you're incapable of seeing the difference between motivated and unmotivated voters?
Ms. Toad
(34,058 posts)PTWB
(4,131 posts)But I dont think anyone could honestly argue that 1. this will not motivate pro-gun voters and 2. the margins in 2016 were so thin that a small change would have swung the election.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)in regards to a civil lawsuit against a PAC which supports your allegation?
Bear in mind, the corollary is also true... this will (just as likely) motivate those who perceive the NRA as simply another corrupt PAC to vote as well.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)that the type of person who may still consider voting for Trump is partial to objective analysis.
They'll hear that a Democrat in NY wants to disband the NRA and Joe Biden says he's going to take our guns, and they'll vote. All I'm saying is we need to be careful with wedge issues like this.
Look at 1994!
Ms. Toad
(34,058 posts)by quoting the OP, who - in essence - said the ky was falling.
blm
(113,039 posts)jorgevlorgan
(8,286 posts)So, I hope to god it didn't.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)still_one
(92,116 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)supposedly separate.
malaise
(268,865 posts)Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)I rather doubt any members would be swayed by the law coming after these clowns and run with open arms to Trump.
Truth be known, Trump's hands probably have some NRA grime on them, as well. He doesn't kiss up to anyone unless there are dollars involved. I would imagine his two sons also benefitted.
I would guess there are a lot of "cancel my membership" letters going out, today.
Marcuse
(7,472 posts)These NRA guys were too crooked even for Oliver North. Buttina and the Russians arent even mentioned.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)How?
still_one
(92,116 posts)SlogginThroughIt
(1,977 posts)There are a lot of sportsman and gun owners here in northern MN that are also moderates and democrats. Just like there were a lot of union iron rangers here that went for trump last time I can see some that will get scared off by the threat of losing their guns. It doesn't matter that NYAG's announcement isn't about that. That's what it will be made out to be.
I do see this as a bit of a problem. If there isn't more tied to this story and it doesn't come to light sooner rather than later I can see this having an adverse effect on us. To what degree I am not sure.
AleksS
(1,665 posts)Lots of gun enthusiasts who werent Trump enthusiasts who might vote instead of staying home if they believe theres a threat to their gunz.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)If anything she may have turned out millions who hope she succeeds.
stonecutter357
(12,694 posts)Brainfodder
(6,423 posts)Meanwhile this crap about NRA/NYAG?
Bleacher Creature
(11,256 posts)GeorgiaPeanut
(360 posts)He gains nothing
On the other hand, many NRA members would be furious at the shenanigans of the NRA leadership.
Orangepeel
(13,933 posts)C_U_L8R
(44,997 posts)On one hand they love their anti-liberal NRA and the so-called freedoms it claims.
On the other hand, they don't particularly like being ripped off by a bunch of crooks
stuffing their pockets and living high on their membership fees.
Oh, the dilemma facing their poor little minds.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)Yes, I thought about that too. But I'm to the point where nothing matters anywhoo, so why the F not go after the death merchants. If they steal it, they steal it... and we'll have to take it back by force.
But yes, they did give trump a low hanging fruit.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,659 posts)Fullduplexxx
(7,851 posts)Then someone posts oh this good thing could be very bad .... oooo im so worried that this good thing will turn and bit us . Im troubled by this good thing cause it could be very bad ...
Fullduplexxx
(7,851 posts)Then someone posts oh this good thing could be very bad .... oooo im so worried that this good thing will turn and bit us . Im troubled by this good thing cause it could be very bad ...
Kaleva
(36,291 posts)Happy Hoosier
(7,277 posts)ProfessorGAC
(64,975 posts)Just quick mental math suggests that anybody upset over a DA enforcing the law, because the target is the NRA was unlikely to vote D in the first place.
It's at most 5% (very generous). Likely closer to 2%.
2-5% of a double digit lead is still a commanding lead.
So, unless you've got numbers to back up this alert, then no; it won't matter.
brush
(53,763 posts)There are not that many members of the NRA
sarisataka
(18,568 posts)A couple tens of thousands maybe.
It does complete a trifecta of PR gold if the GOP has someone smart enough to put it effectively into an ad.
obamanut2012
(26,064 posts)SiliconValley_Dem
(1,656 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)To bring this up 90 days before election is political malpractice.
January would have been perfect.
Voltaire2
(12,995 posts)RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)Mark Kelly is the biggest gun control candidate running and hes crushing the Rethug incumbent in all the polls.
Try again.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)Of the main discussion.
I can assure you from first hand contacts that the Kelly campaign is not happy with this.
Kelly is so strong a candidate and McSally so bad that he is likely to uout distance her.
Far from being the "biggest gun control" candidate he had a very nuanced message and when he talks about it says, "as a son of two police officers and a proud gun owner I value the right to bear arms BUT . . ."
The most liberal Protestant Church Congregation I know of (shelters migrants etc) has a gun club.
He has a 10 point lead now, we will see what happens in the nextc6 weeks, I expect it to get very close.
Talked with my niece in Missoula and they are much less hopeful. Today about asking a win there.
This action could have happened in Jan, no smart strategic reason go do it now.
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)One of my best friends is a hunting legislative advocate who won't even mention the NRA anymore.
Devil Child
(2,728 posts)Voltaire2
(12,995 posts)But I empathize with your concern. Best not to do anything to stop the fascists.
BamaRefugee
(3,483 posts)"THEY'RE TAKING OUR GUNS" nonstop every minute of every day until November 3rd now.
It doesn't have to be MILLIONS of votes, just enough fearful people to swing the electoral college again.
Shooting ourselves in the foot.
Pun intended.
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)BamaRefugee
(3,483 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Sheesh.
panader0
(25,816 posts)could not stop the actions of the NY AG. Of course, trump supporters probably don't know that.
blueinredohio
(6,797 posts)But we are registered democrats and would never think of voting for a republican. So they're not all crazy white supremacists.
NYC Liberal
(20,135 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Increasing the likelihood that a fraudulent PAC will be denied its ability to scam more people out of money.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)No.
Sid