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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI am a retired postal manager
I managed large metropolitan area operations overseeing more than 150 employees daily and delivering mail to tens of thousands of customers.
I spent countless sleepless nights and 12-hour-plus workdays getting the mail out in the face of incessant obstacles. Ultimately, daily I met the goal on schedule and reliably living by our motto: Every piece every day.
To hear that Trumps guy has dismantled in just two months what I and many devoted decades to is alarming. After seeing my own mail slow down I talked to former coworkers/friends. In TX, a postmaster says her boss calls Trumps guy Dejoy, a business man. A former supervisor I talked to parrots the same phrase. Many have no idea of the political ramifications of this appointment.
(The USPS is a cash cow. If destroyed, billions have been set aside 75 years in advance of retirements of 500,000 employees. This could easily fall into Republican hands. Dejoy just added $10 billion more debt in the last two weeks making them even more vulnerable and destroying one of the largest unions in America if destruction succeeds.)
Then, I read that million-dollar machines that sort 36,000 pieces of mail per hour are being turned off now in favor of manual labor. And I am floored. Its like a bank removing all ATMS and insisting that all money be counted by hand. Its not hard to see that cutting down automation will increase the manual workload a hundred foldbut simultaneously cutting overtime reduces the man hours needed for the quadrupled manual workload. Theres not enough square footage to house the impending backup of mail that will result from these business decisions.
I have spent most of the year telling everybody I know to plan to vote by mail until May when I first heard about Trumps appointment.
I will not be voting by mail now. Its a huge loss of revenue for the Postal Service if I, and many others dont vote by mail. I dont want to hurt the Postal Service but I care more about not hurting America with a too-risky vote. I do suggest, however, continuing to patronize them in every possible way whether you mail your vote or not.
All I know is that I hope that we can quickly regroup and rethink how we plan to GOTV under these new circumstances.
soothsayer
(38,601 posts)Thats just nuts. I mean, there were times we shut down our optical character readers and barcode sorters so the LSMs (higher paid people who keyed by hand) could meet their numbers, but it didnt delay anything.
I thought Runyon was bad. This guys just... criminal.
live love laugh
(13,104 posts)to an alum
judesedit
(4,438 posts)so they can be delivered to the Democratic campaign office or election office? It just has to be a designated drop off point. These are extraordinary times calling for extraordinary measures. We must confront this now. There are many employees who have been let go and many who are relying on their retirement package. They are being screwed. Many would probably jump at the chance to help with this.
BComplex
(8,049 posts)judesedit
(4,438 posts)for ballots only under these circumstances, free, no stamps needed, and spread around town in popular areas. The locked boxes of ballots would be delivered directly to the authorities that can assure our votes will be counted. I'm convinced this can be done, but we have to start now. There are many people out of work who would be happy to man the boxes and drive them to the correct offices to assure their vote to oust Drumpf is counted. These would have to be registered democrats. And a buddy system would have to be used for confirmation of following proper procedures. They can even be armed if necessary. It doesn't have to be obvious. Don't heavily advertise it. Word of mouth is the best way anyway.
True Blue American
(17,984 posts)Make it easy for the voter. Sealed and protected, of course.
judesedit
(4,438 posts)live love laugh
(13,104 posts)of mail not packages mail.
judesedit
(4,438 posts)Point A to Point B. The boxes will be locked with no access to open by anyone but officials assigned to accept them.
soothsayer
(38,601 posts)flying_wahini
(6,589 posts)Anything besides calling my congressman?
Can I repost this?
we can do it
(12,184 posts)Stay on it. Don't rest until this shit stops.
live love laugh
(13,104 posts)TryLogic
(1,723 posts)deliver, and oversee the counting of ballots?
alfredo
(60,071 posts)certainot
(9,090 posts)DeJoy is the first postmaster in two decades without prior experience in the United States Postal Service.[14] DeJoy's appointment was controversial because DeJoy and his wife have assets between $30.1 million and $75.3 million in USPS competitors or contractors, such as UPS and trucking company J.B. Hunt.[15][16]
if the guy is an ayn randian POS fascist asshole ayn randian dittohead who has been listening to limbaugh for 30 years attacking the USPS to defund and privatize the USPS to help UPS, FED EX, and the COC destroy every union then maybe show him there are consequences?
they might just buy another stock, but a lot of their friends might not like it
getting down to it, what if trump thinks this is good for buying into UPS?
elleng
(130,893 posts)Let us know what else you learn, and any tips for action you may have.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)dalton99a
(81,468 posts)Martin Eden
(12,864 posts)Also aimed at helping Trump in the election.
This is blatantly obvious.
DeJoy has to be removed; can he be impeached?
dalton99a
(81,468 posts)MarcA
(2,195 posts)A return to feudalism is their dearest wish.
live love laugh
(13,104 posts)Though the Constitution does not define who constitutes a civil officer, Congress has exercised its power to impeach three presidents, one senator, one cabinet official, and 15 federal judges; of these, only eight individualsall federal judgeswere convicted on the charges of impeachment and removed from office.[1]
DENVERPOPS
(8,817 posts)at destroying yet ANOTHER piece of the Constitution, since it the USPS was clearly written into the constitution.
This whole Trump/RepubliCON CABAL is an extremely well orchestrated, organized, and executed coup......
ME: There is no Fed Group or Organization for us to turn to....they have obliterated all of them these past three years....
The entire RepubliCON party is one millimeter away from their objective: A Corporate Fascist Tyranny........
A government owned and operated by the 1% and their vast group of minions.........
Hey people, we are past the "Point of No Return".............WASF
Dig in now people, it is about to get really really really horrific..............especially for our kids and grandkids......
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)to vote in-person. Others need to try mail, requesting ballots as early as possible and mailing it back immediately if drop boxes aren't available. Then, check on-line to see if it was recieved.
One reason I don't fully believe the stuff about the post office trying to delay ballots is that GOPers vote by mail too. I think we are spreading BS that might affect turnout.
we can do it
(12,184 posts)Vote as early as possible and drop off as early as possible.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)and then return our applications for absentee ballots. We'll do this next week. We will personally deliver the ballots themselves to the county office we'd normally have mailed them to.
IF the absentee ballots we requested don't arrive (this is GA), we will vote early in person. Until the election thieves change the law, always possible here, people are entitled to vote in person even if they've requested and (should have) received an absentee ballot.
bluescribbler
(2,116 posts)My City Hall is closed for business. Everything has to be done online. And, because I have been staying with a friend in another town, my application for an absentee ballot will not be forwarded to me. It looks as though I will need to vote in person on Election day, both in the Primary and in the General Election.
we can do it
(12,184 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)mail in voting. Some other states have already announced or will announce mail voting changes before November. Just keep up to date and do whatever works in your area to vote.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)places for that, and of course our county party offices. I like the ACLU site (even though I'm sometimes one of the people on phones at our party headquarters ) because the answers are written out very clearly and hopefully complete.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)early voting, which i presume will be busy this time, but mornings of weekdays usually have mostly retirement-age people, who I presume will tend to be careful.
Reminds me to check our state ACLU website. They always have a lot of detailed information. I could also use tips and strategies from those who've been there on doing long lines. Just in case. I'm not decrepit elderly, but I can't take heat, UV, etc.
Whatever it takes, I'll be voting too. Best wishes on all this.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)Should they execute that plan.
Will they go so far as to slow down the mail down specifically in Dem areas of key battleground states? What/Who is going to stop them from doing that?
Will they go so far as to have people reading the names on the outside of ballots and comparing them to the voter rolls and 'losing' the ballots of Democrats?
If nobody does anything about the early steps happening right now ... Trump will push it further and further ... we know this about him.
We should put absolutely NOTHING past this cabal.
Barr and Senate Pukes will hold this regime accountable for NOTHING they do.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)ballots and throw them in trash or something, and no one is going to say anything.
GOTV, and let Democratic Election Observers do their job, rather than spreading crud that will keep people from voting.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)But purposefully slowing shit down on orders from the top in Democratic Strongholds in swing states?
That doesn't sound at all implausible with this gang.
Point is ... who knows how far they're willing to take this scam. They almost surely have plans to avoid hurting their own chances.
The timing of what's going on here w/DeJoy is WAAAAAY too suspect to think there's not a plan afoot.
Nobody here is going to not vote because of my 'crud' ... I'm not on CNN.
shanti
(21,675 posts)at the moment? I live in a blue state and it most definitely IS.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)work, etc.
shanti
(21,675 posts)after DeJoy was installed. It was fine before that. I have Informed Delivery and it is very screwed up now, basically useless. I'm still waiting for a package from Denver that I ordered on July 18. Portland, Sacramento, Phoenix - long waits. That's my reality, and the reality for many of us on the West Coast.
narnian60
(3,510 posts)Prescription meds almost a week late. Has never happened before.
subterranean
(3,427 posts)However, a couple of packages I sent last month took a few days longer than they should have.
Beartracks
(12,809 posts)Don't recall where I heard that. It's probably related to their higher rates of disbelief that COVID is a problem, so they're not "hiding" at home anyway.
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True Blue American
(17,984 posts)Also the main postoffice stayed open on election night so people could make sure they are postmarked.
Leghorn21
(13,524 posts)Hang tough, maybe somehow America can rescue this ESSENTIAL SERVICE, maybe maybe
elleng
(130,893 posts)live love laugh
(13,104 posts)elleng
(130,893 posts)Thanks
hlthe2b
(102,236 posts)and all the other once lauded Federal employees and agencies being systematically destroyed by this madman. In less than 4 years!
It is so depressing, I scarcely know where to focus.
appalachiablue
(41,131 posts)to the crush government, employees and the nation.
CousinIT
(9,241 posts)They want to get rid of that union. Teacher's unions, postal worker's unions - the largest ones - Republicans want to get rid of even if it means destroying the public school system or USPS.
This is a BIG win for them if they can destroy it.
bluestarone
(16,926 posts)Families lose their kids life in school!! There has to be a way to STOP THEM!
gulliver
(13,180 posts)If the before and after of the Trumpie stooge's takeover shows a slowdown, then that's a big story. I noticed one of my monthly pieces of mail arrived a couple of days late this month, but that's just anecdotal. The Post Office ought to have some kind of official reports available to the public. Surely Congress can get them.
What a game Trump and his accessory could be playing! They put down mail-in voting while, at the same time, they sabotage it. Later, they'll say, "See, we told you it was no good!"
It's like Republicans repeatedly tripping an EMT running to a heart attack victim and blaming the EMT for the death.
Kitchari
(2,166 posts)I didn't know it was a cash cow - no wonder they're bent on destroying it. That, and Putin can't tamper with mailed paper ballots.
Baked Potato
(7,733 posts)Trump hates everyone and everything. I think he hates himself, too. Only Ivanka is worthy, in Trumps eyes.
Thanks for your career work, it is not forgotten. We are probably going to vote in person, too.
JHB
(37,159 posts)He's not doing this all by himself.
He has a support system, and its alias is "GOP".
Baked Potato
(7,733 posts)Republicans have to be tied to him.
dalton99a
(81,468 posts)LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,583 posts)They've been chipping away at American institutions bit by bit every time a Republican is president. The GOP has two goals: (1) transfer as money from the lower 98% of taxpayers (and thereby claim there's not enough money in the treasury for anything but military weaponry, which is a bottomless pit) to the top 2%; and (2) roll back the governmental structure to June 20. 1788. This was the day before the Constitution became the official framework of the government of the United States of America when New Hampshire became the ninth of 13 states to ratify it.
Until that day the United States could take any shape the rich white men in the Continental Congress could pressure the other members to accept their warped version of the document. First of all, eliminate the Bill of Rights and the ability to amend the document.
Article 1, Section1 would state: "The ownership of a firearm or weapon of any size is sacrosanct.
Article 1, Section2: The official religion of the United States is Christianiy. The official language of the country is English.
Article 1, Section 2a: The purpose of the United States is to make a profit.
Artice1, Section 3: A citizen is defined as a white land owning male. Only citizens may vote.
Article 2, Section 1. The government will be divided into two entities: (1) An Executive Branch, which has unlimited powers, and (2) a Legislative Branch, whose purpose is to collect taxes and make the revenues available to the Executive Branch, as directed.
Article 3, Section 1. No person or entity may criticize or investigate any political body, nor elected or appointed person for fear of fines and imprisonment.
Article 3, Section 2. Any person attempting to enter the country illegally shall be summarily executed.
Article 3, Section 3. Any public gathering for non-patriotic purposes shall be considered a terrorist activity, and lethal force is authorized to disperse and dominate such activity.
Article 4. The president will hold his position for life.
As Benjamin Franklin said when asked what kind of government had been created, he simply replied, "We're fucked."
JHB
(37,159 posts)...and went about eliminating opposition within the party to their agenda.
After all, who leads the "Rockefeller Republican" faction these days? Nobody. It's gone and has no successors. It was wiped out. Even GOP "moderates" are inclined to jeer at the RRs and treat them as quislings for accepting the basic New Deal framework, even in the more limited form they (the RRs) preferred.
They are relentless in pushing an absolutist agenda. When they can, they grab with both hands and push as far as they can get even with the thinnest of margins. When they lose that margin, they go on full defense and battle to the death over every inch of ground, policywise. And they have billionaire backers and a "leaderless" media machine to help them.
It's no wpnder so many of them admire the Bolsheviks. Not ideology, of course, but the tactics and strategy. Take over the institutions and purge dissenters and backsliders.
Doremus
(7,261 posts)and giving POC an opportunity for wage parity.
The GOP has been chipping away at it for 15 years. The end goals for them are 1) destroying a large public union whose members vote mostly Dem, and 2) letting their cronies get their hands on the pension funds that they've been fattening like a Thanksgiving turkey waiting for this day to come.
I hope there's something left to salvage among the rubble when Biden takes over. And I also hope it's one of his priorities and not kicked down the road like it has been for far too long.
Squinch
(50,949 posts)Kid Berwyn
(14,897 posts)Seems to put the elective into elections.
Squinch
(50,949 posts)comes along.
And vote early if you can. Those lines are usually shorter.
We go to the grocery store. We take the necessary precautions when we do. This is more important.
Kid Berwyn
(14,897 posts)Be prepared. Every voter who can, must vote.
The pukes here in Michigan have gamed the system for a long time. In my town, they announced new polling places days before the primary. The card arrived the day before the election.
The money behind them, Amway DeVos and Koch Bros types. They, and Putin, really are getting their moneys worth.
Squinch
(50,949 posts)much as we can. I am in NY. No way would I miss the chance to vote Donny Bodybags out (I have dreams about voting), but my vote is nowhere near as essential as yours.
Good luck. Let us know how it goes.
Gilbert Moore
(218 posts)Get your ballot mailed to you. Early voting begins 10/5 (AZ).
Drop your completed ballot of at a designated place !
Easy La Peasy ! ! ! !
summer_in_TX
(2,735 posts)Early voting has been extended an extra six days to begin on Oct. 13. My husband and I are both over 65 so signed up to vote by mail in the primary run-off. But the post office difficulties are tricky.
The League of Women Voters of Texas strongly advocates for voting by mail if at all possible (the president is a public health nurse) and joined an unsuccessful lawsuit to expand mail-in voting to every voter.
So far they continue to advocate voting by mail. But we are all following the problems with the post office. I'd heard about the sorting machines being ordered turned off before but thought surely that's an anomaly.
My husband wants to go back to voting in person, going early at an off time. I follow Jenny Cohn on Twitter. She believes one desired impact of the uncertainty about the mail is to cause more to vote in person. Russian activities in 2016 shows they may have penetrated many electronic voting systems. She recommends the paper trail of voting by mail.
If we do that but don't want to put our ballot in the mail, we'd have to drive the ballots to the county seat to the Elections Administrators office, go through security, and drop them off during their 8-5 business hours. Can't deliver to polling places or drop off boxes anywhere.
brer cat
(24,562 posts)K&R
live love laugh
(13,104 posts)I struggled with making this public but it is super important.
JudyM
(29,233 posts)Definitely. Important perspective.
UCmeNdc
(9,600 posts)Anything!
Mike 03
(16,616 posts)for this superb post.
moondust
(19,978 posts)I was surprised this week when I received an Absentee Ballot Request form for the Nov. 3 election. I have never voted by mail and did not request any ballot form. I'm currently in a purple state and the governor is a Trump buttkisser. Maybe I'm too paranoid but it raised my suspicion that pushing mail-in ballots and then slowing down the mail may be a voter suppression scheme. I suppose the Dumpsters could be trying to use reverse psychology or something, presuming that if Dumpy hates mail-in ballots then a lot of people who don't like him will go out of their way to use them--and their votes won't get counted.
yellowdogintexas
(22,252 posts)Every January to anyone who can be identified as a Democrat. This is our 4th election cycle doing this and it has increased our mail in ballot numbers.
Kentucky sent vote by mail applications to every registered voter before their primary in July. They had the highest mail in numbers they have ever had. In fact the turnout in that primary was the 2nd highest they have ever had for a primary.
Is it possible your state is sending VBM applications to everyone who isn't already using them so they can receive the ballot & not need to vote in person? This would relieve folks who do not want to risk the virus from having to go to the polls and reduce the number of election workers needed
moondust
(19,978 posts)It could be on the level and nonpartisan. The form has no mention of any political party.
Like so many others I'm deeply concerned when shortly before an election a desperate con man wannabe dictator-for-life and his toadies start monkeying with a core institution that plays an important role in the balloting that decides the outcome. Potentially making things even worse is that one of his buttkissers is squatting in the governor's mansion and may have some control over ballots.
I'd like to know how many Republican voters received the unsolicited ballot request form. If mainly Democratic voters received them then my suspicion of targeted suppression of mail-in ballots is probably not going to quietly fade away.
Dukkha
(7,341 posts)Wrap your head around that. The postal service was a national institution before the United Stated even existed as an independent nation. It has been a source of pride and a model of efficiency for centuries. It had endured through every war, ever recession, a great depression, and numerous pandemics and natural disasters. That all ended this year because of one feckless pestilent dim-witted child who had to politicize and sabotage it in a vain attempt to alter his zero chances at being re-elected.
BadgerMom
(2,771 posts)you cannot vote in person. So, if your requested ballot doesnt arrive in time to be returned in person, no less mailed, you cant vote. Its made me rethink my voting plan and make adjustments to my husbands in California. I think I will vote early in order to avoid USPS. My husband is a permanent vote-by-mail voter in California. Because he works from home in New Mexico due to COVID, well Fedex overnight his unvoted ballot to NM, hell vote, we'll Fedex overnight it to his daughter in California for return to our City Clerks office. That, or knee replacement or not, hell go to our NM MVD and become a NM resident.
I want DeJoy prosecuted.
xxqqqzme
(14,887 posts)Registrar of voters, Secretary of State - which ever agency handles ballots.
In California, you can vote in person if you take your vote by mail ballot to the polling place and surrender it to the polling place captain.
pandr32
(11,581 posts)still_one
(92,187 posts)of your ballot, and if it has been counted online
not sure if other states have this or not
Regardless whether one chooses to vote by mail or not, I would strongly encourage everyone to vote early
kag
(4,079 posts)We have for about ten years now. But we have the option of dropping it off at the County Clerk's office (which is what we do), and we get email that it has been counted. Works great...as long as the ballot arrives in the mail.
I agree that DeJoy should be prosecuted. And the orange menace should be exiled to Russia with his whole family.
still_one
(92,187 posts)TlalocW
(15,381 posts)120 million vets get prescription medicine sent to them by the VA to the tune of 330,000 packages a day. How is this slowdown affecting them?
TlalocW
catchnrelease
(1,945 posts)In other posts I've mentioned that my husband gets his medicines from the VA via mail. At least twice in the past couple of months his prescriptions have not arrived when expected and he was within a day or two of being out of meds. He called the VA and after some phone tag was able to go to the facility in person to get enough to tide him over until the usual refill arrived. We are lucky in that we only live 5 miles from the VA, so it's not a big problem for him. But there are so many others that live dozens or far more away and don't have that option to just run over and pick the drugs up.
And because I have an app that allows mail tracking, I can see that the order is sitting at 'a facility in LA' for days and days before it starts moving on it's way towards us again. Delivery used to be within a few days of the order going in. So many people are getting screwed by this new scheme, and not just by being inconvenienced, some of these are life and death medications that are needed.
Kablooie
(18,631 posts)Trump will do anything at all, no matter how many people it kills or how it damages the future for us and our children, in order to remain in power.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Louis DeJoy and his wife, Aldona Wos, whom Trump has nominated to become ambassador to Canada, own between $30.1 million and $75.3 million of assets in competitors to the USPS. He owns a lot of stock in UPS and other delivery services.
Trump, shortly after taking office called for the privatization of the USPS.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_DeJoy
kag
(4,079 posts)We need to legally shore up the USPS. Including the union.
mac2766
(658 posts)I'm wondering if that's the way that it is all over the country. I'm able to hand deliver my ballot early - before election day. Is my situation unique, or is this common?
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)that, who knows. Well have to depend on election observers.
BigmanPigman
(51,590 posts)I only use the mail to pay bills since I do not trust auto-payment. I trust the USPS. I did the same thing with taking my paychecks to the bank myself (only two people on the staff did this but I refused to give in). Now they are saying I shouldn't trust the mail, so am I supposed to suddenly do all my bill paying on-line? NO! I will not allow the fucking moron to change what has worked for me my whole life....using the USPS!!!!!!
FUCK tRUMP!
live love laugh
(13,104 posts)remain to be seen.
BigmanPigman
(51,590 posts)I only use the mail to pay bills since I do not trust auto-payment. I trust the USPS. I did the same thing with taking my paychecks to the bank myself (only two people on the staff did this but I refused to give in). Now they are saying I shouldn't trust the mail, so am I supposed to suddenly do all my bill paying on-line? NO! I will not allow the fucking moron to change what has worked for me my whole life....using the USPS!!!!!!
FUCK tRUMP!
bonniebgood
(940 posts)my 'friends across the isle". they need some Sarah Coopers help. I would love to see the Dems use the word The republicans like trump and other republicans Say 'the Democrats" that would help the low information voters.
jdadd
(1,314 posts)alfredo
(60,071 posts)N_E_1 for Tennis
(9,721 posts)Ilsa
(61,694 posts)and when I told him we might have to do early voting on the machines, he blew up. He doesn't trust the machines, even though we finally have paper receipts (still not unhackable, though).
Just the process of voting will get ugly.
Joinfortmill
(14,417 posts)who didn't get enough of mother's milk. Phuck them all.
UserNotFound
(108 posts)My late Mother was a small town Postmaster for over 30 yrs. She would be sickened and outraged at these treacherous attacks on her Postal Service!!
Paul-EM
(15 posts)It's clearly a case of political sabotage as well as part for a long-standing effort to privatize as much as possible in the public sector.
Mersky
(4,980 posts)Postal workers possibly not knowing of the political motivations behind such? Just pawns in the pResidents sick game?
Im going to print out some loud-assed postcards that approximately read:
Tell tRump to quit fiddling with the mail to steal the election.
On the flip side: Every postal worker that becomes ill or dies from COVID should sue tRump, postmaster dejoy, and any lawmaker that supports him for reckless endangerment.
That includes, you, _____________, for willfully enabling the pResidents unlawful disregard for Americans lives, elections, and postal service.
___
Then, I will slap a 60¢ first class tiger or Gwen Ifill forever stamp on it, write in one of three terrible republicon names on the blank in bright Sharpie and mail it from the red outer reaches of my district.
Some phone calls to offices, discussions with family, and I dont know what else, yet. Gotta do something.