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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsLeah Daughtrey: "I don't have the strength to carry two White people across the finish line
For me, it raised again the spectre that we live every day as Black women, of being judged by and held to a different standard, despite the fact that we are qualified and that we are the highest propensity voters in the nation, Daughtry said, calling the current tone maddening.
I need to have someone who has my experience because of their sex and the color of their skin, so I know my issues and my concerns are going to be daily at the table when policy is going to be discussed, she said. I cant make that assumption, and Im not going to advocate for that assumption to the people Im asking to vote.
https://19thnews.org/2020/08/black-women-insist-that-biden-write-us-into-history/?amp&__twitter_impression=true
hlthe2b
(102,562 posts)to get Biden and whomever he chooses across the finish line. Am I unique in realizing this is IT? We either prevail or our country is lost for ALL OF US?
I understand the emotions behind this, but really?
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)She's saying it would be much, much harder and she doesn't know if she has the strength to put it off.
brush
(53,978 posts)out of the list of eight having been vetted? Is anyone seriously thinking that passing over the majority on the list, a majority that represents the most loyal and dependable voting base of the Democratic Party, who come through every time and who came through this time and delivered the nomination to Biden...are we seriously thinking in this time of finally confronting racial inequality we are going to demonstrate racial inequality ourselves by passing over most of the women on the list and have an all-white ticket for the party, allegedly, of diversity.
Come on, folks, it's time to put our money where our mouth is and dance with the one who brung ya.
hlthe2b
(102,562 posts)But in the event they are not chosen, I'm not about to give the election to Trump. Are YOU?
We don't know yet who Biden selected. But whoever he does select, it's not like we have a choice not to vote for him, considering the alternative.
brush
(53,978 posts)It's time to share the power with the people who have been most loyal the party. I don't get why that is so hard to understand. Now is the perfect time for the Democratic Party to demonstrate to the nation how to be inclusive.
Don't just talk the talk, walk the walk. Now's the time.
LisaL
(44,985 posts)brush
(53,978 posts)or Cheney, Bush's VP? The president determines how he delegates, and Obama certainly put Biden in charge of some duties. And Cheney, do I even have to explain that?
hlthe2b
(102,562 posts)he does not pick one of the five women of color--that nearly everyone on DU that I have seen DOES SUPPORT and favor and certainly which I DO. When someone points out that we HAVE to defeat Trump regardless-- EVEN if Biden chooses someone else, then you construe that as not supporting a woman of color in the VP position. That is disingenuous as hell.
brush
(53,978 posts)hlthe2b
(102,562 posts)StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Did you read what Daughtrey said? Do you know anything about her?
She's one of the smartest, harderst-working activists in the party. She has made clear she will work her ass off for Biden. But she's saying that, no matter how hard she works, she may not be able to drag an all-white ticket over the finish line.
I just don't see why that is so difficult to understand or why people are insisting on accusing her of threatening not to vote for Biden or not to work hard for him.
Daughtrey will probably work harder and smarter than just about anyone commenting here. She's warning that she needs some help.
hlthe2b
(102,562 posts)to that discussion.
brush
(53,978 posts)won't budge from the status quo/business as usual. We move on. Let them stay behind.
treestar
(82,383 posts)It makes distinct groups and implies we can't be represented well by people with other characteristics.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Are you any less likely to vote Democratic or to support civil rights because this discussion is being had?
LisaL
(44,985 posts)Or not voting, i guess. In which case she will likely get two white males.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Daughtrey is one of the harderst-working and most dedicated activists in the party. She's saying that it will be much, much harder to sell an all-white ticket in this cycle and she doesn't know if she can pull it off. It's a valid point.
LisaL
(44,985 posts)But I am voting for Biden and whoever he selects.
GreenPartyVoter
(72,388 posts)seriously.
snowybirdie
(5,252 posts)any better than those who wouldn't vote last time because they didn't like Hillary? I appreciate this argument, but the Republic is in dire circumstances, and we must prioritize our demands. First, Elect Joe Biden. Then we can deal with all the other things we want from our national government.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)And she's not saying she won't work for the ticket. She is saying that an all-white ticket will make the work much harder and she's not sure she can pull it off.
Do you think that an all-white, all-male ticket would not be a problem?
LisaL
(44,985 posts)I still vote for them.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)if his running mate was another white man?
LisaL
(44,985 posts)my guess is he going to select a female VP. He never promise that female will be of a specific race.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)But just as women feel perfectly comfortable with Biden promising a female running mate because they think it's time and including and respecting a key demographic will improve his chances of being elected, selecting a black woman is just as valid and likely to have a better outcome. It, for some reason, many of the same people who think it's great that he's making gender a major factor in his choice seem to have a problem with race being a major factor.
And just as an all-male ticket will indeed make a Biden victory harder to attain, so would an all-white ticket.
LisaL
(44,985 posts)brush
(53,978 posts)Devil Child
(2,728 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)A vigorous defense of Amy Cooper's actions can take the wind out of anyone's sails.
Devil Child
(2,728 posts)ProfessorGAC
(65,427 posts)...or adjust their workload over the running mate?
I first voted for POTUS in 1976 and I never considered the VP pick aside from the "heartbeat away" perspective.
As long as the pick was competent, that didn't have the slightest impact on my decision to vote for the candidate themselves.
I think this entire national discussion is silly.
Awsi Dooger
(14,565 posts)There can be impact in the home state if that state is seldom if ever represented on the national ticket. It averaged 4 points for a while, in terms of partisan index shift.
But that seemed to lessen as the nation became more polarized. Now I think it only applies to less populated non-competitive states.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)But I strongly believe that a black running mate will have a huge impact in the black community and will probably be a major incentive for many black voters to stand in line for hours and try to navigate through the Byzantine maze the Republicans have erected to keep them from voting.
This goes beyond voting and not voting. Most Democrats and most black voters will vote no matter what. But there is a segment of black voters for whom voting isn't as simple as going over to the local school and voting on their way to work. For these people, voting is an ordeal. Expecting them to "just vote" is often a bridge too far - it's just not that simple. But if they are someone who looks like them on the ticket, that could be enough to encourage them to make huge sacrifice to cast a vote.
ProfessorGAC
(65,427 posts)...we all can agree exists. That a fair point.
But, given the choice this year, I think the VP pick is even less motivating. Even given your scenario.
Vote for Perseus or the Kraken? I think few people, of any color, will be motivated by who Perseus' wingman(woman) is.
I get what you're saying, but I just feel the circumstances are unique.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)I think black voters will be extremely motivated if the VP nominee is a woman of color.
May I ask if you are white?
ProfessorGAC
(65,427 posts)StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)What's wrong with asking you that?
We are all informed by our experiences in life and those experiences are almost always affected by our race and can cause us to view things through different prisms. That's not a value judgment - it's just a fact.
I think someone who is used to having presidential candidates that are the same race as they are may (although not necessarily) have a different perspective about the impact that could have on someone who has never experienced it.
It's unfortunate that it you find that so offensive that you ended the conversation.
nsd
(2,406 posts)StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)Now we have some people who are going to complain because this is brought up this way. It is unreasonable to expect a black person on every ticket we ever run in the future. And race should not come into why we make the pick. President Obama earned his victory on his own merits and so should anyone else on the ticket.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Wow.
Considering having a black person on the ticket this time would be only the second time in 230 years and a few hundred presidential and VP candidates that a black person has been on a national ticket, I think having a black person on the next few tickets in the future doesn't pose a really big problem.
In fact, maybe we should ask whether it's reasonable to assume every ticket in the future should have a white person on it?
Funny how some people see diversity as an anomaly.
LisaL
(44,985 posts)then we should expect that this woman is going to be a woman of color. He didn't promise that.
I don't know whom he is going to select. But I don't have any specific expectations he didn't promise to make.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)it's unreasonable for people of color to ask or expect him to do so?
Fortunately, elections and politics don't work that way.
SlogginThroughIt
(1,977 posts)You know when the media says the Dems are in disarray?
THIS IS WHY!!!!!
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)But the media - and apparently some outside of the media - tend to get salty and defensive whenever black women speak their minds and, while they think nothing of white folk giving their opinions, accuse black women of causing trouble when we do it.