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StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
Mon Aug 10, 2020, 11:30 AM Aug 2020

Leah Daughtrey: "I don't have the strength to carry two White people across the finish line

Leah Daughtry, chief executive officer of the Democratic National Convention in 2008 and 2016, took to Facebook Live about a week ago, frustrated by the criticism of Black women candidates in a way White women in the conversation are not being discussed. Looking into the screen with exasperation, she lamented: “I don’t have the strength to carry two White people across the finish line in November.”

“For me, it raised again the spectre that we live every day as Black women, of being judged by and held to a different standard, despite the fact that we are qualified and that we are the highest propensity voters in the nation,” Daughtry said, calling the current tone “maddening.”

“I need to have someone who has my experience because of their sex and the color of their skin, so I know my issues and my concerns are going to be daily at the table when policy is going to be discussed,” she said. “I can’t make that assumption, and I’m not going to advocate for that assumption to the people I’m asking to vote.”
https://19thnews.org/2020/08/black-women-insist-that-biden-write-us-into-history/?amp&__twitter_impression=true
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Leah Daughtrey: "I don't have the strength to carry two White people across the finish line (Original Post) StarfishSaver Aug 2020 OP
Honestly. I want a female POC too, but really? I would absolutely walk across burning embers hlthe2b Aug 2020 #1
She's not saying she won't work her ass off StarfishSaver Aug 2020 #4
And why can't that be done with one of the five qualified black women... brush Aug 2020 #10
I see your insult and counter: I never said they should not. Your are deriding the wrong person. hlthe2b Aug 2020 #11
Exactly. LisaL Aug 2020 #13
It's not an insult, it's explaining the reality of the situation. brush Aug 2020 #15
Well, VP has no power, or haven't you heard? LisaL Aug 2020 #17
Come up to the 21st century. Have you heard of Joe Biden, Obama's VP... brush Aug 2020 #20
No. the reality of the situation is that you are suggesting it fine to not work for Biden IF hlthe2b Aug 2020 #18
Ok, you go with that. brush Aug 2020 #21
Not even denying that is the case. Ok. NOTED. hlthe2b Aug 2020 #24
That's not it at all StarfishSaver Aug 2020 #25
My comments were directed at the DUer to which I was responding. Your interjection is irrelevent hlthe2b Aug 2020 #26
It's disappointing but some here have their heels dug in and... brush Aug 2020 #41
Looking at it like that is divisive treestar Aug 2020 #33
How is it divisive. And who is it dividing? StarfishSaver Aug 2020 #39
Her other option are two white males. LisaL Aug 2020 #2
That's not what she's saying at all StarfishSaver Aug 2020 #6
I can't control who Biden selects or doesn't. LisaL Aug 2020 #8
I hear the frustration, but I haven't been taking any but the African American possibilities GreenPartyVoter Aug 2020 #3
How is this snowybirdie Aug 2020 #5
She's not saying she won't vote StarfishSaver Aug 2020 #7
I think it's pretty certain Biden is not picking a male VP, but even if he does, I don't care. LisaL Aug 2020 #9
Setting aside how YOU would vote, do you think Biden would have a harder time getting elected StarfishSaver Aug 2020 #14
My guess is no, but seeing as how he made a promise to select a female VP, LisaL Aug 2020 #16
The fact that he didn't promise a black woman doesn't mean we can't expect it StarfishSaver Aug 2020 #19
You don't always get what you want. LisaL Aug 2020 #22
Wow StarfishSaver Aug 2020 #28
See post#10. brush Aug 2020 #12
Meh n/t Devil Child Aug 2020 #23
No surprise you express that sentiment... LanternWaste Aug 2020 #27
With you being the wind beneath my wings, I need never worry about the wind on my sails. n/t Devil Child Aug 2020 #47
Does Anybody Vote For... ProfessorGAC Aug 2020 #29
Virtually nobody Awsi Dooger Aug 2020 #35
Normally, the answer would be no StarfishSaver Aug 2020 #38
Voting Difficulty Is A Problem... ProfessorGAC Aug 2020 #40
I don't agree StarfishSaver Aug 2020 #42
Conversation Over ProfessorGAC Aug 2020 #45
Why? StarfishSaver Aug 2020 #46
Who? nsd Aug 2020 #30
It's really too bad you have to ask StarfishSaver Aug 2020 #32
What if Biden picks a white woman? treestar Aug 2020 #31
"It is unreasonable to expect a black person on every ticket we ever run in the future"? StarfishSaver Aug 2020 #36
It's unreasonable to argue that because he promised to select a woman, LisaL Aug 2020 #37
So, unless a candidate promises in advance he's going to select a person of color StarfishSaver Aug 2020 #43
Why the fuck are we doing this? SlogginThroughIt Aug 2020 #34
Actually, that's NOT why StarfishSaver Aug 2020 #44

hlthe2b

(102,562 posts)
1. Honestly. I want a female POC too, but really? I would absolutely walk across burning embers
Mon Aug 10, 2020, 11:33 AM
Aug 2020

to get Biden and whomever he chooses across the finish line. Am I unique in realizing this is IT? We either prevail or our country is lost for ALL OF US?

I understand the emotions behind this, but really?

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
4. She's not saying she won't work her ass off
Mon Aug 10, 2020, 11:36 AM
Aug 2020

She's saying it would be much, much harder and she doesn't know if she has the strength to put it off.

brush

(53,978 posts)
10. And why can't that be done with one of the five qualified black women...
Mon Aug 10, 2020, 11:45 AM
Aug 2020

out of the list of eight having been vetted? Is anyone seriously thinking that passing over the majority on the list, a majority that represents the most loyal and dependable voting base of the Democratic Party, who come through every time and who came through this time and delivered the nomination to Biden...are we seriously thinking in this time of finally confronting racial inequality we are going to demonstrate racial inequality ourselves by passing over most of the women on the list and have an all-white ticket for the party, allegedly, of diversity.

Come on, folks, it's time to put our money where our mouth is and dance with the one who brung ya.

hlthe2b

(102,562 posts)
11. I see your insult and counter: I never said they should not. Your are deriding the wrong person.
Mon Aug 10, 2020, 11:47 AM
Aug 2020

But in the event they are not chosen, I'm not about to give the election to Trump. Are YOU?

LisaL

(44,985 posts)
13. Exactly.
Mon Aug 10, 2020, 11:51 AM
Aug 2020

We don't know yet who Biden selected. But whoever he does select, it's not like we have a choice not to vote for him, considering the alternative.

brush

(53,978 posts)
15. It's not an insult, it's explaining the reality of the situation.
Mon Aug 10, 2020, 11:53 AM
Aug 2020

It's time to share the power with the people who have been most loyal the party. I don't get why that is so hard to understand. Now is the perfect time for the Democratic Party to demonstrate to the nation how to be inclusive.

Don't just talk the talk, walk the walk. Now's the time.

brush

(53,978 posts)
20. Come up to the 21st century. Have you heard of Joe Biden, Obama's VP...
Mon Aug 10, 2020, 12:01 PM
Aug 2020

or Cheney, Bush's VP? The president determines how he delegates, and Obama certainly put Biden in charge of some duties. And Cheney, do I even have to explain that?

hlthe2b

(102,562 posts)
18. No. the reality of the situation is that you are suggesting it fine to not work for Biden IF
Mon Aug 10, 2020, 11:55 AM
Aug 2020

he does not pick one of the five women of color--that nearly everyone on DU that I have seen DOES SUPPORT and favor and certainly which I DO. When someone points out that we HAVE to defeat Trump regardless-- EVEN if Biden chooses someone else, then you construe that as not supporting a woman of color in the VP position. That is disingenuous as hell.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
25. That's not it at all
Mon Aug 10, 2020, 12:04 PM
Aug 2020

Did you read what Daughtrey said? Do you know anything about her?

She's one of the smartest, harderst-working activists in the party. She has made clear she will work her ass off for Biden. But she's saying that, no matter how hard she works, she may not be able to drag an all-white ticket over the finish line.

I just don't see why that is so difficult to understand or why people are insisting on accusing her of threatening not to vote for Biden or not to work hard for him.

Daughtrey will probably work harder and smarter than just about anyone commenting here. She's warning that she needs some help.

hlthe2b

(102,562 posts)
26. My comments were directed at the DUer to which I was responding. Your interjection is irrelevent
Mon Aug 10, 2020, 12:05 PM
Aug 2020

to that discussion.

brush

(53,978 posts)
41. It's disappointing but some here have their heels dug in and...
Mon Aug 10, 2020, 08:22 PM
Aug 2020

won't budge from the status quo/business as usual. We move on. Let them stay behind.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
33. Looking at it like that is divisive
Mon Aug 10, 2020, 07:25 PM
Aug 2020

It makes distinct groups and implies we can't be represented well by people with other characteristics.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
39. How is it divisive. And who is it dividing?
Mon Aug 10, 2020, 07:47 PM
Aug 2020

Are you any less likely to vote Democratic or to support civil rights because this discussion is being had?

LisaL

(44,985 posts)
2. Her other option are two white males.
Mon Aug 10, 2020, 11:34 AM
Aug 2020

Or not voting, i guess. In which case she will likely get two white males.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
6. That's not what she's saying at all
Mon Aug 10, 2020, 11:38 AM
Aug 2020

Daughtrey is one of the harderst-working and most dedicated activists in the party. She's saying that it will be much, much harder to sell an all-white ticket in this cycle and she doesn't know if she can pull it off. It's a valid point.

snowybirdie

(5,252 posts)
5. How is this
Mon Aug 10, 2020, 11:37 AM
Aug 2020

any better than those who wouldn't vote last time because they didn't like Hillary? I appreciate this argument, but the Republic is in dire circumstances, and we must prioritize our demands. First, Elect Joe Biden. Then we can deal with all the other things we want from our national government.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
7. She's not saying she won't vote
Mon Aug 10, 2020, 11:40 AM
Aug 2020

And she's not saying she won't work for the ticket. She is saying that an all-white ticket will make the work much harder and she's not sure she can pull it off.

Do you think that an all-white, all-male ticket would not be a problem?

LisaL

(44,985 posts)
9. I think it's pretty certain Biden is not picking a male VP, but even if he does, I don't care.
Mon Aug 10, 2020, 11:42 AM
Aug 2020

I still vote for them.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
14. Setting aside how YOU would vote, do you think Biden would have a harder time getting elected
Mon Aug 10, 2020, 11:52 AM
Aug 2020

if his running mate was another white man?

LisaL

(44,985 posts)
16. My guess is no, but seeing as how he made a promise to select a female VP,
Mon Aug 10, 2020, 11:54 AM
Aug 2020

my guess is he going to select a female VP. He never promise that female will be of a specific race.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
19. The fact that he didn't promise a black woman doesn't mean we can't expect it
Mon Aug 10, 2020, 11:58 AM
Aug 2020

But just as women feel perfectly comfortable with Biden promising a female running mate because they think it's time and including and respecting a key demographic will improve his chances of being elected, selecting a black woman is just as valid and likely to have a better outcome. It, for some reason, many of the same people who think it's great that he's making gender a major factor in his choice seem to have a problem with race being a major factor.

And just as an all-male ticket will indeed make a Biden victory harder to attain, so would an all-white ticket.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
27. No surprise you express that sentiment...
Mon Aug 10, 2020, 06:10 PM
Aug 2020

A vigorous defense of Amy Cooper's actions can take the wind out of anyone's sails.

ProfessorGAC

(65,427 posts)
29. Does Anybody Vote For...
Mon Aug 10, 2020, 07:18 PM
Aug 2020

...or adjust their workload over the running mate?
I first voted for POTUS in 1976 and I never considered the VP pick aside from the "heartbeat away" perspective.
As long as the pick was competent, that didn't have the slightest impact on my decision to vote for the candidate themselves.
I think this entire national discussion is silly.

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
35. Virtually nobody
Mon Aug 10, 2020, 07:31 PM
Aug 2020

There can be impact in the home state if that state is seldom if ever represented on the national ticket. It averaged 4 points for a while, in terms of partisan index shift.

But that seemed to lessen as the nation became more polarized. Now I think it only applies to less populated non-competitive states.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
38. Normally, the answer would be no
Mon Aug 10, 2020, 07:45 PM
Aug 2020

But I strongly believe that a black running mate will have a huge impact in the black community and will probably be a major incentive for many black voters to stand in line for hours and try to navigate through the Byzantine maze the Republicans have erected to keep them from voting.

This goes beyond voting and not voting. Most Democrats and most black voters will vote no matter what. But there is a segment of black voters for whom voting isn't as simple as going over to the local school and voting on their way to work. For these people, voting is an ordeal. Expecting them to "just vote" is often a bridge too far - it's just not that simple. But if they are someone who looks like them on the ticket, that could be enough to encourage them to make huge sacrifice to cast a vote.

ProfessorGAC

(65,427 posts)
40. Voting Difficulty Is A Problem...
Mon Aug 10, 2020, 07:54 PM
Aug 2020

...we all can agree exists. That a fair point.
But, given the choice this year, I think the VP pick is even less motivating. Even given your scenario.
Vote for Perseus or the Kraken? I think few people, of any color, will be motivated by who Perseus' wingman(woman) is.
I get what you're saying, but I just feel the circumstances are unique.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
42. I don't agree
Mon Aug 10, 2020, 08:26 PM
Aug 2020

I think black voters will be extremely motivated if the VP nominee is a woman of color.

May I ask if you are white?

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
46. Why?
Mon Aug 10, 2020, 09:21 PM
Aug 2020

What's wrong with asking you that?

We are all informed by our experiences in life and those experiences are almost always affected by our race and can cause us to view things through different prisms. That's not a value judgment - it's just a fact.

I think someone who is used to having presidential candidates that are the same race as they are may (although not necessarily) have a different perspective about the impact that could have on someone who has never experienced it.

It's unfortunate that it you find that so offensive that you ended the conversation.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
31. What if Biden picks a white woman?
Mon Aug 10, 2020, 07:23 PM
Aug 2020

Now we have some people who are going to complain because this is brought up this way. It is unreasonable to expect a black person on every ticket we ever run in the future. And race should not come into why we make the pick. President Obama earned his victory on his own merits and so should anyone else on the ticket.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
36. "It is unreasonable to expect a black person on every ticket we ever run in the future"?
Mon Aug 10, 2020, 07:35 PM
Aug 2020

Wow.

Considering having a black person on the ticket this time would be only the second time in 230 years and a few hundred presidential and VP candidates that a black person has been on a national ticket, I think having a black person on the next few tickets in the future doesn't pose a really big problem.

In fact, maybe we should ask whether it's reasonable to assume every ticket in the future should have a white person on it?

Funny how some people see diversity as an anomaly.

LisaL

(44,985 posts)
37. It's unreasonable to argue that because he promised to select a woman,
Mon Aug 10, 2020, 07:39 PM
Aug 2020

then we should expect that this woman is going to be a woman of color. He didn't promise that.
I don't know whom he is going to select. But I don't have any specific expectations he didn't promise to make.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
43. So, unless a candidate promises in advance he's going to select a person of color
Mon Aug 10, 2020, 08:30 PM
Aug 2020

it's unreasonable for people of color to ask or expect him to do so?

Fortunately, elections and politics don't work that way.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
44. Actually, that's NOT why
Mon Aug 10, 2020, 08:36 PM
Aug 2020

But the media - and apparently some outside of the media - tend to get salty and defensive whenever black women speak their minds and, while they think nothing of white folk giving their opinions, accuse black women of causing trouble when we do it.

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