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Thu Aug 13, 2020, 06:00 PM

Are Senate Democrats using every tool and/or tactic available to force votes on the USPS situation

and the other bills that are collecting cobwebs on Moscow Mitch's desk?

Every tool available, no matter how extreme or rare, needs to be used right now to address the USPS fiasco that's unfolding before our eyes. I am not satisfied with the, "It's sitting on Mitch's desk!" excuse. tRump is actively and aggressively interfering in our ability to vote in the upcoming election!

If Moscow's Bitch won't take action, democrats must go around him and stop worrying about future precedents at a time when tRump and republicans have completely disregarded all precedents and norms.

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Reply Are Senate Democrats using every tool and/or tactic available to force votes on the USPS situation (Original post)
ecstatic Aug 2020 OP
sinkingfeeling Aug 2020 #1
Laelth Aug 2020 #13
at140 Aug 2020 #2
LisaL Aug 2020 #3
at140 Aug 2020 #9
uponit7771 Aug 2020 #15
at140 Aug 2020 #20
LisaL Aug 2020 #28
C_U_L8R Aug 2020 #4
SheltieLover Aug 2020 #5
Hekate Aug 2020 #23
SheltieLover Aug 2020 #25
Hekate Aug 2020 #26
SheltieLover Aug 2020 #32
Hekate Aug 2020 #36
SheltieLover Aug 2020 #37
Hekate Aug 2020 #39
SheltieLover Aug 2020 #41
Hekate Aug 2020 #43
SlogginThroughIt Aug 2020 #57
Hekate Aug 2020 #59
Hekate Aug 2020 #61
SlogginThroughIt Aug 2020 #62
Hekate Aug 2020 #63
Post removed Aug 2020 #6
Hekate Aug 2020 #22
shanti Aug 2020 #40
Hekate Aug 2020 #44
Trumpocalypse Aug 2020 #7
Doremus Aug 2020 #12
Trumpocalypse Aug 2020 #16
ecstatic Aug 2020 #30
Trumpocalypse Aug 2020 #34
Demsrule86 Aug 2020 #19
StarfishSaver Aug 2020 #24
shanti Aug 2020 #42
Trumpocalypse Aug 2020 #46
Thomas Hurt Aug 2020 #8
Hekate Aug 2020 #38
Laelth Aug 2020 #48
Doremus Aug 2020 #10
Demsrule86 Aug 2020 #17
StarfishSaver Aug 2020 #27
Laelth Aug 2020 #11
Demsrule86 Aug 2020 #14
Trumpocalypse Aug 2020 #18
Demsrule86 Aug 2020 #51
StarfishSaver Aug 2020 #29
ecstatic Aug 2020 #31
StarfishSaver Aug 2020 #33
Trumpocalypse Aug 2020 #35
Demsrule86 Aug 2020 #53
Demsrule86 Aug 2020 #50
StarfishSaver Aug 2020 #52
Demsrule86 Aug 2020 #55
StarfishSaver Aug 2020 #56
ecstatic Aug 2020 #58
Demsrule86 Aug 2020 #60
StarfishSaver Aug 2020 #66
ecstatic Aug 2020 #45
Demsrule86 Aug 2020 #49
Hekate Aug 2020 #21
budkin Aug 2020 #47
StarfishSaver Aug 2020 #54
budkin Aug 2020 #64
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Response to ecstatic (Original post)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 06:03 PM

1. Senate went home until September.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #1)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 06:34 PM

13. The House has already adjourned.

We will have no legislature until mid-September.

-Laelth

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Response to ecstatic (Original post)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 06:04 PM

2. Can someone please explain what Trump is trying to do to the post office?

Thanks in anticipation.

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Response to at140 (Reply #2)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 06:04 PM

3. He wants to screw it up so we can't vote by mail.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #3)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 06:27 PM

9. I heard that but what is his proposed method to accomplish that?

Has Trump talked about cutting subsidies to Post Office?
Short of that I don't see how Trump can screw up the P.O. business.

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Response to at140 (Reply #9)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 06:35 PM

15. His donor in charge of USPS is ordering the end to overtime, shutting down

... sorting machines and changing first class mail to bulk

He should be in jail

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #15)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 06:56 PM

20. I see, thanks for the info..nt

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Response to at140 (Reply #20)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 07:10 PM

28. He admits he doesn't want to fund it so it can't deliver ballots.

"President Donald Trump said Thursday that he opposes much-needed funding for the United States Postal Service because he doesn't want to see it used for mail-in voting this November."

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/13/politics/trump-usps-funding-comments-2020-election/index.html

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Response to ecstatic (Original post)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 06:05 PM

4. McConnell's vacation has more priority

... than our democracy.

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Response to ecstatic (Original post)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 06:05 PM

5. I concur!

Further, I honestly believe DHS should remand him to custody. It is their job to protect us from terrorism.

Just because founders could not foresee traitor in WH & Senate & did not write it down is no excuse, imo. He has broken about every law there is.

Our country is an international laughing stock because we are bound by words written 200 yrs ago.

Coula shoulda woulda won't help if this lunatic nukes something.

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Response to SheltieLover (Reply #5)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 07:06 PM

23. Dept of Homeland Security has no such authority. Where did you get this idea?

You are very eager to throw out the Constitution. As is Trump, may I point out. Why?

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Response to Hekate (Reply #23)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 07:08 PM

25. It is their job to protect the country from terrorists

Time for intel to think outside the box. Hes nuts & has the football.

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Response to SheltieLover (Reply #25)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 07:09 PM

26. You are very eager to throw out the Constitution, as is Trump. May I ask why that is?

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Response to Hekate (Reply #26)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 07:15 PM

32. It's not that, Hekate

Not at all!

I don't want to see that maniac nuke something. He is increasingly desperate and unhinged.

Had the founsers been able to envision a traitor in the WH & a complicit Senate, they may have written a provision.

But because they didn't, should the intel community allow this to continue? I don't think so, prsonally. Not that I get a vote on that. Lol

Just sharing my opinion.

And I'm sure they will do absoluty nothing. Patriarchy is great at being reactionary, rather than proactive.

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Response to SheltieLover (Reply #32)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 07:31 PM

36. Uh huh. As long as you understand that what you are advocating is the overthrow of a troubled but

...still-existing democratic republic, with a Constitution revered the world over. That “200-year old piece of paper” you scorn as toothless has been and remains the template for every other aspiring democracy since our nation was founded.

We are struggling now, and struggling hard. But expecting the DHS to step in, when we can see their fascist methods on display every godsdamned day and night, would put the final nail in the coffin. Who do you think is shooting rubber bullets and throwing tear gas canisters at peaceful protestors? Usually DU posters of your inclination make a plea for a military coup, which would likewise put the final nail in the coffin of our democratic republic.

I always wonder why, in a community that prides itself on an understanding of the US Constitution and civics, there are always a few people who believe the current situation calls for the final dismantling of that Constitution.




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Response to Hekate (Reply #36)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 07:34 PM

37. I think you are misunderstanding my intention

And I would greatly appreciate you not infering that I have ill intent. I do not.

I fear for our country and the world.

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Response to SheltieLover (Reply #37)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 07:40 PM

39. I think I do understand your intention. You come across as well-meaning, but the results...

...would be the end of our democratic republic, and we would assuredly join the roster of failed states that gave up and went for the nearest available strongman to solve their woes.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #39)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 07:44 PM

41. Ty for sharing your opinion.

I will not be responding to you anymore.

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Response to SheltieLover (Reply #41)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 07:52 PM

43. Oh that's quite all right. Others can read my responses, and besides...

...a person who can do over 6,000 posts since March is a very busy person.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #43)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 10:44 PM

57. I also understand what you are saying

 

But you could have been a bit nicer about it.

Frankly what are we to do when the president is working to destroy democracy? Let it happen for the sake of democracy?

If our vote is under siege what then is the recourse?

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Response to SlogginThroughIt (Reply #57)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 11:15 PM

59. These are stressful times. Periodically DU gets an OP about how "the military" or "the generals" ...

...should solve our problem with our POTUS by removing him from the White House. Invariably, there are a number of other posters who agree. This has happened before, specifically during the Bush/Cheney administration. The difference with this poster is their desire to use the Dept of Homeland Security for this purpose — and DHS was tasked overall with battling the Moms of Portland and other peaceful protestors!

Periodically, there are other OPs by other DUers conveying what they think is the brilliant notion of finishing the work of the Civil War by dividing the states into two or more countries. Or dividing California into 3 states in a mistaken belief that we would then have 6 assured Democratic Senators in the US Senate. That, btw, is a fantasy — the California interior tends to be quite conservative, but are outnumbered and hence outvoted by the people on the coast.

I used to give long involved treatises on why this was all a very bad idea. However, the energy that used to propel me in 2002 has been stomped into utter exhaustion by Donald Trump. Therefore I boil it down as I just did: if we experience a military coup, our republic will be at an end. In this, I will not change my mind.

The person I was responding to has carried this thought from one thread to another. I am not, repeat not following them around. However, I will not let this nonsense go unchallenged if I encounter it.

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Response to SlogginThroughIt (Reply #57)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 11:25 PM

61. What should we be doing? What we are already doing, among other things. Biden, afaik...

...has a lot of lawyers all over the country looking into voter suppression issues. Biden and the DNC are not asleep at the switch. I think they are strategizing what to do if the mad king declares victory before all the votes are counted. They seem to have learned from 2016 and 2000. I surely do hope so.

If all fails, the republic will have fallen. If so, I have no idea.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #61)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 11:26 PM

62. I remember how that went in 2000.

 

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Response to SlogginThroughIt (Reply #62)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 11:34 PM

63. No one but the GOP was expecting a bloodless coup d'etat

Obama was better prepared, I think. But the forces aligned against Hillary were international in scope.

Whoever wants the American Experiment finished and the glassware in the lab smashed has been at this a long time.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #6)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 07:05 PM

22. Try writing her office

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Response to Hekate (Reply #22)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 07:41 PM

40. I have.

As well as Kamala, and my House Rep, Ami Bera.

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Response to shanti (Reply #40)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 07:54 PM

44. Excellent. Hopefully someone at the office can lay out what her activities have been...

Last edited Thu Aug 13, 2020, 11:27 PM - Edit history (1)

...and if nothing else, they do keep track of how many constituents are saying what.

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Response to ecstatic (Original post)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 06:10 PM

7. Democrats have no power in the Senate

 

There is nothing they can do.

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Reply #7)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 06:34 PM

12. This is the kind of thinking that has helped put us in this spot.

Negativity begets negativity.

Don't tell us what we can't do. Tell us what we CAN DO. And there are many things we can do.

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Response to Doremus (Reply #12)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 06:36 PM

16. It's not negative thinking

 

It’s reality.

Learn how the Senate works.

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Reply #16)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 07:12 PM

30. Can the motion to discharge or non-germane amendment tactic be used?

From my understanding, those are ways to get around MM. I scanned the legislation and it does look like MM runs a super tight ship and at first glance, I have not seen any bills that can be commandeered and repurposed, but what about the other option?

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Response to ecstatic (Reply #30)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 07:17 PM

34. No

 

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Response to Doremus (Reply #12)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 06:39 PM

19. We can't do anything except pressure individual senators.

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Response to Doremus (Reply #12)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 07:07 PM

24. That's not negative thinking. It's just a fact

What "many things" are you sure they can do but aren't doing?

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Reply #7)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 07:47 PM

42. They have a voice

and constituents! If they aren't up to the job, maybe they should retire!

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Response to shanti (Reply #42)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 08:15 PM

46. Still can't do anything in the Senate

 

as long as the Republicans are in charge.

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Response to ecstatic (Original post)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 06:18 PM

8. AFAIK, no one is doing anything, at least in the public view.

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Response to Thomas Hurt (Reply #8)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 07:37 PM

38. No one?

smh

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Response to Hekate (Reply #38)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 08:44 PM

48. No.

They’ve all gone home. The legislature is not scheduled to return to Washington until mid-September. Right now, they’re not doing anything other than campaigning.

-Laelth

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Response to ecstatic (Original post)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 06:32 PM

10. Agree 100%

They need to do *something*, we've had enough strongly worded letters.

Some suggestions:

1. Organize walkouts and protests in their home districts (don't leave it to the activists --- get in there and ORGANIZE THEM)
2. Same for DC
3. Shame their repuke colleagues by challenging them to a public debate
4. There are many more possibilities, add 'em if you got 'em

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Response to Doremus (Reply #10)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 06:36 PM

17. Not they ...we people we.

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Response to Doremus (Reply #10)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 07:10 PM

27. Why are you waiting for senators to stage walkouts (walk out of where?) and protests?

Challenge to a public debate? They've been debating this publicly - every day on the floor. Have you ever watched them?

And if they challenge them to a debate outside of the floor and they say no, then what?

What do you think will be the outcome if they do these things? How will this stop Trump from doing what he's doing to the Postal Service?

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Response to ecstatic (Original post)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 06:32 PM

11. No. Everyone has gone home.

We won’t have a legislature until mid-September.

-Laelth

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Response to ecstatic (Original post)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 06:35 PM

14. Just stop...

there is nothing that elected can do...but we can call the Senate...GOP types...I have called mine everyday...his office guy and and I are on a first name basis.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #14)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 06:37 PM

18. Thanks

 

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Reply #18)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 10:18 PM

51. We have to take it day by day. But I believe if Trump think Democrats will play his game, he is in

for a big surprise. I have no intention of voting by mail... I will early vote if possible or show up on election day with my mask. I have volunteered to man the polls too...yeah life threatening since here in Ohio, you don't need a mask to vote . I will do what it takes to kick that orange bastard out of the White House.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #14)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 07:11 PM

29. Thank you

The "they oughta do something" demands are tiresome.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #29)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 07:13 PM

31. Watching our "democracy" die in real time is tiresome as well. nt

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Response to ecstatic (Reply #31)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 07:16 PM

33. It is. But whining about how other people need to be "doing something" isn't going to save anything

And 9 times out of 10, the complaints about how Democratic Members of Congress and Senators aren't doing enough usually come from people who have no idea what most of these folks are actually doing, don't bother to find out, and just assume that, unless they see it on MSNBC, it's not happening.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #33)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 07:18 PM

35. Well said nt

 

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Response to ecstatic (Reply #31)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 10:20 PM

53. Stop sitting on the sidelines watching and take action. The House can't save us not

when you have Trump and the Senate in GOP hands. Early vote, vote in person, drop your ballot off...Call your elected every damn day. Do what you can.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #29)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 10:15 PM

50. What should they do? We can call and I hope the fact they may lose the Senate will help...but

who knows?

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #50)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 10:19 PM

52. You didn't answer the question

What should they do that they aren't already doing that will actually make a difference?

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #52)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 10:21 PM

55. I am talking about what we can do. I don't see the house as able to do much except show up

and shame the GOP every chance they get.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #55)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 10:39 PM

56. Gotcha!

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #55)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 10:45 PM

58. I don't agree with you on this point. Nancy can issue subpoenas

or even do another impeachment. I get that many don't have the appetite for that type of thing right now, but she could do that if she wanted to.

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Response to ecstatic (Reply #58)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 11:17 PM

60. Sure subpoenas that will be ignored and another imnpeachment this close to an election would

be very foolish when there will be no conviction in the Senate. What you suggest would have no effect.

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Response to ecstatic (Reply #58)

Fri Aug 14, 2020, 12:48 AM

66. Because Impeachment has proven so effective in stopping Trump ...

And what would subpoenas do at this point, even if they were complied with (which they wouldn't be)? Get someone to come in and testify? And then what?

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #14)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 07:56 PM

45. I've emailed Loeffler and Perdue, but I haven't attempted calling.

You know what? I think I will. I just need to get someone more articulate than me to join the call.

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Response to ecstatic (Reply #45)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 10:14 PM

49. I call all the time...Portman's office...

It may not do any good but I believe if enough folks call, we can beat them.

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Response to ecstatic (Original post)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 07:02 PM

21. The GOP majority/Mitch McConnell has gone on vacay for a month

The solution: vote them out in November. Send $$$$ to their Democratic opponents.

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Response to ecstatic (Original post)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 08:20 PM

47. No. They aren't.

Didn't they write a letter though?

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Response to budkin (Reply #47)

Thu Aug 13, 2020, 10:20 PM

54. What should they do that they're not doing that will make a difference?

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #54)

Fri Aug 14, 2020, 12:10 AM

64. How about raise holy hell like the GOP would do if the situation were reversed?

Trump is literally stealing the election in front of our faces, and taunting us.

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Response to budkin (Reply #64)

Fri Aug 14, 2020, 12:46 AM

65. Exactly what does "raising Holy Hell" look like to you?

And are Democratic senators the only peoe capable of raising it?

And then what? What outcome would raising this "Holy Hell" produce?

You seem to be very aware of the problem. Are you raising Holy Hell?

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