How are people just letting this happen??

[jorgevlorgan]

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The USPS is actively getting rid of drop boxes, removing mail sorting machines, and deliberately slowing mail as the administration is transparently and actively trying to make voting by mail impossible. I swear to god that if we win this election despite the ratfuckery, there better be some seats added. Everybody in power with the ability to do something and not, is complicit in this crap. Every cabinet member not removing the fucker yesterday via the 25th amendment or public official in a place to stop it who doesn't, deserve the wrath of God over this.


People will go to prison.

[634-5789]

1. Precisely.

I do know that the State AG's a re chatting up what they can do together. Also, there's 10 states, forgive me I have forgotten them, but that LAW is by mail voting. We're not done with this shit by a mile, yet. Stay tuned, but know that we share the frustration.

[jmbar2]

31. Oregon has mail-in voting

Report last nite that the fuckers are removing mailboxes

https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2020/08/usps-removes-mailboxes-in-portland-and-eugene-cites-declining-mail-volume.html

[ms liberty]

2. SCOTUS has to have a case to rule on

They can't just announce out of the blue that they're going to decide this or that issue. That's not how it works.

[WePurrsevere]

6. Exactly this! nt

[Baitball Blogger]

7. +1

Expect a lawsuit any day now.

[Hortensis]

18. :) Or 100. Many state government and private organizations.

[louzke9]

17. Yes, Although....

Occasionally, SCOTUS Judges make comments on issue through the media. Chief Justice Roberts has responded several times to comments Trump has made when he finds Trump is lying or exaggerating certain legal issues. I hope SCOTUS judges speak up.

[Hortensis]

19. Extremely rarely before, and even now it's most often

when their own position is misrepresented. I also hope he feels this rolling takeover warrants a statement on the constitution and current law regarding the USPS.

Beyond that, they could always stroll over and join one of the groups protesting in front of the WH while they watch the cases making their way through lower courts.

[ehrnst]

37. I don't think that they would be allowed to hear a case on a subject they publicly protested

they would need to recuse themselves.

Even if there wasn't a pandemic and all the liberals would be risking their health to do so, it would not really be possible.

[Hortensis]

50. Lol, didn't think of that. Of course, they can't even do that much.

[rpannier]

21. Yep

Would be problematic iof they just announced out of left field that they were going to step in on something not before them

[ehrnst]

25. Thank you. (nt)

[eShirl]

3. it's not like there's a vote count in Florida for them to halt

yet

[Mike Nelson]

4. Well...

... the majority of SC justices like Trump appointees... they feel more like themselves would be grand.

[SmartVoter22]

5. SCOTUS always needs a question to answer.

The Supreme Court, in fact all courts, must have a question proposed to it, before ti can start making a decision.
They never, ever intervene.

[BlueMTexpat]

14. This.

Sometimes even people on DU need to learn what the Supreme Court can and cannot do!

The Constitution states that the Supreme Court has both original and appellate jurisdiction. Original jurisdiction means that the Supreme Court is the first, and only, Court to hear a case. The Constitution limits original jurisdiction cases to those involving disputes between the states or disputes arising among ambassadors and other high-ranking ministers. Appellate jurisdiction means that the Court has the authority to review the decisions of lower courts. Most of the cases the Supreme Court hears are appeals from lower courts.

https://www.uscourts.gov/about-federal-courts/educational-resources/about-educational-outreach/activity-resources/supreme-1

[Duppers]

57. Yes! That's how it works.

👍

[malaise]

8. I'd love DU experts to tell me whether the 25th Amendment can be used on November 4

That is one solution to this mess

[oldsoftie]

9. Of course it could. It wont, but it could.

I'm NOT an expert, but the 25th is available at any time for whatever president is in office.
But if they havent jumped ship yet, why would they the day after he loses?

[malaise]

10. To prevent him from attempting to burn down the house

metaphorically

[jorgevlorgan]

41. I imagine that if he loses, and they see it as an alternative to something far worse, it could happe

but it would also require a spine that very few of them are equipped with anatomically.

[bucolic_frolic]

12. You mean like Trump is incompetent/insane and Pence is not doing his job? That's an angle

But it runs off Executive branch cronies, but there is this sub tidbit

"Section 2

Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress."

So if Pence sought to nominate a Vice President (it really would be "vice" wouldn't it) and presumably someone to pardon himself, the House might not be so cooperative, even if subject to public pressure, especially over a short time period of 50 days remaining in office.

[malaise]

13. Thanks

I remain hopeful

[Hestia]

16. DH & I are trying to figure that out - without a full cabinet and lot of them are acting, do they

have the authority to invoke 25th Amendment? Probably have to be drug out through the court system.

[ehrnst]

26. Pence would have to initiate it, and that will not happen.

Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

[mdelaguna]

11. I agree. If not the SC, then which body can stop this now?

Wake up every day feeling helpless about the USPS situation.

[ehrnst]

40. Voting him out, calling our senators to tell them to approve the $25 mill in stimulus money...

the postal workers union is fighting it as well.

Elections have consequences, and POTUS being able to veto a stimulus bill and appoint the head of the Post Office are among them.

I hope that self-described "progressives" who refused to vote for Democrats out of spite or "likeablity" issues in 2016 get off their privileged fucking asses and GOTV for Biden, or they deserve every goddamn thing that's happening to them right now.

[jorgevlorgan]

42. We gotta get them off their asses and out the door in November. Phone bank if you can.

Harrass them until they are tired hearing from us! lol

[ehrnst]

44. I phone banked in 2016, and I will be doing it again. (nt)

[jorgevlorgan]

47. Thank you! Me as well!

Wife and I plan to get started Sunday. I'll probably try to call into Texas...

[johnthewoodworker]

15. The republican coup is now in full swing. The process of destroying our democracy is in the open.

This can't be fixed by voting, signing an online petition, posting a rant, or writing a check. This ends, like most of these events usually do, with action on the streets or passive acceptance of the new status quo. Just watch the craziness escalate. Expect nothing from republicans because this is their coup.

[ancianita]

24. +1

[ehrnst]

45. You don't think voting Trump and the GOP out will have any effect? Why? (nt)

[oldsoftie]

51. I certainly do. Trump is an anomaly; like a cyst.

We can look at things that have passed with some GOP votes in the past; Sotomeyor & Kagan for example. They both got GOP votes. With trump gone, those same Senators will revert back to whatever level of compromie they were at before; since they no longer fear the wrath of trump. Now that doesnt mean I think the whole GOP will become totally bipartisan, but i think it'll swing back towards the middle from trumpland

Trump will immediately start on his TV network after leaving office. Thats the easiest way to get as much money out of his followers as possible. Thats why I dont think he'll put up a big fight if he's beaten. He just moves on to the next con with millions of potential victims.

[rpannier]

20. For the Court to get involved somebody has to file

If no one does, there is nothing the Court can do

[NurseJackie]

36. Thank you!

[bucolic_frolic]

22. USPS Delivery Class Action

The People vs. USPS

No lawyers thinking big?

[ehrnst]

30. It will not get to SCOTUS prior to November 4. It has to go to a lower court and be appealed

first.

[ehrnst]

34. SCOTUS does not issue bench warrants.

We're all angry, and we all want some sort of solution to this now, but if you are directing your anger and frustration at something or someone who can't do what you think they can do, then it's wasted energy.

You said that you are not a lawyer, so demanding that certain legal actions be taken isn't really something that you could do effectlvely.

[bucolic_frolic]

48. You're right, of course. /nt

[SKKY]

23. They can't rule on what isn't in front of them...

...and at this point, I'm not sure there is enough time to get through the process where they would have to issue a ruling.

[ehrnst]

27. SCOTUS has to rule on a case before them. SCOTUS also does not "remove" the POTUS.

We're all angry, but directing at those who aren't able to what you think they can isn't productive.

A case has to proceed through lower courts and be appealed to get to the court, and then they decide on which cases to hear and then hear the cases in order.

It is quicker to vote him out - drop your absentee ballot off IN PERSON, and not through the mail, unless you live in TX or TN, in which case mail your ballot no later than October 15.

[jorgevlorgan]

49. I fixed it to try and reflect reality a little better, thanks.

[Freddie]

28. Can someone file

Whose health is endangered by medications delivered late?

[ehrnst]

35. Again... it would need to go before a lower court, who would rule, then appealed to SCOTUS

who would then hear the case.

It would not happen prior to November 4.

[jorgevlorgan]

39. Couldn't there be an emergency ruling or injunction or something that could stop it though?

This is all completely horrifying and there has to be away to stop it.

[ehrnst]

43. It's a complicated disastrous situation brought on by the election in 2016 and the only sure

solution is to vote him out in November. There may be nothing that we can do to stop it prior to that. Wishing for a miracle to make him go away or stop being who he is won't work and is a waste of energy.

Yes, it's horrifying, and white straight people are not used to horrifying legislative things happening to them and are used to things being rectified to their satisfaction.

It's not going to happen - there is no 'manager' to appeal to, not even SCOTUS. Unions are fighting it, Democrats have been fighting his claim that voter fraud is rampant, but no, this will likely not stop until he is out of office.

Focus on what is possible - Get out the vote. Call your senator to demand that the Post Office be funded. Do not count on miracles. Even Sully tried to land at the airport first.

[NoMoreRepugs]

29. Unless there is a giant Blue Wave in November

this current situation is going to get far worse.
Vote like your children’s future depends on it.

[oldsoftie]

52. Each state Biden wins, he needs to win by a good sized margin.

Its tough to scream "rigged!" when you get your ass whipped.

[NoMoreRepugs]

58. 10% or more would be extremely difficult to

fudge with IMO.

[oldsoftie]

60. And it needs to be constantly pointed out that he only won 3 states by 80k total votes.

So if he loses them this year, its not like its a HUGE swing

[jmbar2]

32. Can postal workers block dismantling of the postal infrastructure as illegal?

We need nationwide strikes in support of them.

[Star-Thrower]

38. I agree

25th Amendment.

[ehrnst]

46. Pence has to initiate it, and he will not. He wants to run for POTUS and will not cross Trump

supporters.

The 25th is not an option.

[RhodeIslandOne]

53. There's no case to rule on

This is an agency taking it upon themselves to drag their feet. Until someone sues, what can be done?

[MineralMan]

54. The SCOTUS Does Not Initiate Anything

It only rules on decisions in lower court cases or on cases brought directly to it under certain conditions. It has original jurisdiction only in limited circumstances, as laid out in the Constitution.

[McCamy Taylor]

55. The Supreme Court can't step in unless there is a case.

Does anyone know if they are refusing to hear lawsuits about this?

[cbdo2007]

56. The SC can not and should not be the ones deciding on this. The Dems need to fix it...

We need to fix this with firm legislation when we win the White House, the House, and the Senate.

There needs to be a top 10 list of things Trump has brought to light that we need Constitutional Amendments for.

[ProfessorGAC]

59. They Don't Enforce The Law

They decide what the laws can & cannot be. If someone requests an injunction to stop the slash & burn, the courts get involved.
They're not legally involved yet.

[Smickey]

61. Couldn't there be a fliling for injuction in a lower court agaiinst further ratfuckery...

while court cases are further prepared? I think there would be ample evidence of intent to ratfuck up this election, especially when factoring in the conflict of interest at the top.

[Mike Niendorff]

62. The SCOTUS is only a court.

They can only act on a "case or controversy", legitimately brought before them, and over which they have legitimate Constitutional jurisdiction.

They aren't lone rangers.


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