Mica is about to break down and cry.

[madaboutharry]

She is off again. A rant about voting now, she is calling out every fucking republican who is allowing this asshole president to destroy the country.

I have liked her for a very long time. I know some people still hold a grudge against her, but I believe in redemption and second chances.

[OAITW r.2.0]

1. The whole segment is powerful.

Couldn't be clearer what the stakes are.

[denem]

2. 'America or Trump'

It's come to this.

[superpatriotman]

3. Without Joe there to constantly interrupt

It’s easy for her to go ‘off’

[SergeStorms]

6. Joe doesn't give her much of a chance...

most of the time. You're correct about that. She's totally correct about all this though, and I'm glad she's getting a chance to speak her mind. I'm hollering right along with her at home.

[Raster]

9. Thank you for speaking out!!!

And to the "fuck you Mika, you're responsible" crowd: GROW THE FUCK UP. MOVE THE FUCK ON. Put your petty bullshit aside and recognize an ally when you see one. People can change...haven't you changed in your journey?

Mika is one of the few people with national exposure that is willing and able to speak out. Stop attacking the messenger. Support the message. tRump* is working overtime to end the American democracy, and your "fuck her" comments aren't helping. At least she is speaking out. What the fuck are you doing?

[samnsara]

11. hell i just bought Michael Cohens book....I recognize redemption when i smell it.

[Raster]

14. tRump* and tRumpism* make strange bedfellows...

...many, many people are having to reappraise the lives, their loves, their ambitions and their futures.

We need to be MUCH MORE accepting of those that may not have been on our side of the fence as long as we have. We are in a time of PROFOUND FUCKING CRISIS, we need to be MUCH MORE WELCOMING to EVERYONE that joins the fight, BECAUSE IT'S THEIR FIGHT TOO.

[ancianita]

20. I require 4 years of consistency before I'll consider Republicans who brought us all this redeemable

We can have political discourse but I won't trust them because of their venal, corrupt wealthy leaders like the Kochs and Mercers who feel nothing but contempt for democracy and the American people.

[ancianita]

29. I hear you.

[Squinch]

19. Nope. I can appreciate what she is doing now, but I still hold her responsible for normalizing

Donny Bodybags to the American people and getting him elected. He was a joke until Joe and Mika fluffed him up every day as their special guest star.

What she is doing now is fine. But redemption? She'll need to do a whole lot more. Enough so that she is as instrumental in getting him gone as she was in putting him in there in the first place.

If you think that remembering that is petty bullshit, so be it.

[Raster]

21. I remember and I have been brutally critical...

... But when one talks of "redemption," we have to wonder, redemption for what and in whose eyes?

I appreciate and support Mika's OBVIOUS AND GENUINE PASSION for saving American democracy.

[Squinch]

22. Yep. And, as I say, if she sways as many voters against Trump as she once swayed toward him,

that will be worth something.

To do that, she has a lot of work to do and it needs to be a lot more effective than ranting.

Like, where are the softball interviews with Joe two or three times a week, like the ones they gave Donny Bodybags? I haven't seen any. Have you?

[Squinch]

35. I never denied that right to disagree. What is this about? Have you and I ever engaged on the

topic of Mika?

[Squinch]

42. I remain puzzled at this odd callout, but you have a nice weekend too.

[Squinch]

49. Thing is, it seemed to be intending to tell me to shut up about my opinion by saying

"we've heard enough from YOU about this" while you were asserting your own opinion. With the added implication that I routinely stifle others' ability to speak on the subject.

I have never had any problem with you either. That is why it was so puzzling.

I do appreciate your walking it back. Watch out for that coffee consumption.

[StarfishSaver]

55. "Redemption" requires an acknowledgment of sins

I'm glad that Mika and Joe are as virulently anti-Tump as they've become.

But there's an arrogance and sanctimony in it. They behave as if they were ALWAYS wary of Trump, held him to account, and tried to warn us. They regularly point to rare instances in 2015 and 2016 when they showed some skepticism of him or asked him a tough question and say "We were saying this from the beginning ..." But they fail to acknowledge their complicity in creating him. They never mention much less apologize for giving him hours of uncritical, open-ended coverage and smearing his opponent mercilessly for alleged wrongs that turned out to be baseless.

So, while it's great that they are calling him out now. But ii won't consider them "redeemed" unless and until they admit they had a hand in creating the mess we're in.

[Raster]

56. I'm not looking for, nor will I judge, their redemption. I am looking for allies...

...in the fight to save American democracy. I welcome ANYONE that is willing to join the fight.

[disndat]

68. Yes, nobody is perfect

Judge not and ye shall not be judged.

[StarfishSaver]

69. I'm glad they're fighting with us

But they'd be more effective if they acknowledged their complicity - that might actually bring into the fold more people who also bought into the hype.

[Raster]

74. And I agree... I have been saying the same in my twitter feed...

... But right now, if -GOD FORBID- Phyllis Schlafly came back from the grave and took up the anti-tRump* banner, I would think about welcoming her with.... eeeeekkkk... open arms.

Again, the need is so great and the cause is so just, I welcome anyone that will help man the barricades. We cannot let tRump* win this because we were blinded -yet again- by our quest for "purity." Let's deal with that later. Right now, we have much bigger fish to fry.

We have the awesome team of Biden/Harris, and now we need to make sure --doing EVERYTHING we possibly can-- to bring this change to our country. And if we don't, frankly, all of our purity and recriminations won't mean diddley-squat.

[StarfishSaver]

90. Agree

[JaneQPublic]

70. 95% of U.S. media are as culpable for 45 as are Mika & Joe.

Mika & Joe did little more than every other TV news outlet that took Trump's impromptu phone calls during a live broadcast to let him ramble for 20 min with little pushback against his lies...
...that used a half hour of air time showing an empty lectern just to build anticipation before a Trump rally...
...that took the bait with every outrageous thing he said or did and crowded out all other news stories to cover him...
...that devoted vastly more air time and newspaper ink in covering his campaign than any of his GOP competitors and later even Hillary's.

I seriously doubt J&M had Trump on every day. But if they had him on too often and treated him like a celebrity, then they were no different than any other morning or news show.

[Squinch]

71. Wouldn't it be nice if they gave Joe the same amount of air time this year? Treated him like

a celebrity?

[JaneQPublic]

79. Has Joe been doing a lot of live TV interviews anywhere?

He was on the premier episode of The Reidout, but a google search for other recent interviews didn't yield much.

No doubt he's not doing the TV circuit as vigorously as Trump did in 2016 partly because of the pandemic and partly because of Joe's campaign strategy to not get in Trump's way while he's digging his own grave.

In the meantime "Morning Joe" has been giving free air time to nearly all new Pro-Biden videos, whether from the Biden camp or The Lincoln Project or vet groups, not as a commercial, but as part of the show as a news topic. And just as important, they editorialize daily in favor of a Biden presidency and against Trump.

[Squinch]

83. It doesn't have to be live. Lots of the time they gave Trump was over the phone.

[Dream Girl]

78. Predictable response...doesn't add much to the discussion.I don't think she needs your forgiveness.

[Squinch]

81. Thanks for adding such a lot to the discussion!

[ancianita]

24. It's not that simple. It's not about growing up. It's about judgment and history.

You're welcome to stop dressing down fellow Democrats any time.

No one on DU is wrong to distrust a sudden panicking by Republicans that doesn't happen until too much damage that they collectively wrought has been done.

[AllaN01Bear]

77. she will NOT be silenced .

[CTyankee]

84. I was one of whom you speak. I was. Then.

Now it is just counter productive. She and Joe were friends of Trump and they shudda seen it coming. The didn't. Now they have their megaphone and they are doing penance this way.

We can't waste time in the past.

Power to the People!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

4. Who cares?! Joe & Mica are partially responsible for the state we're in.

[yaesu]

25. if tRump gets the boot they may be back to Dem bashing, the Lincoln project also, but for now

the enemy of our enemy is our friend, I mention the Lincoln project because I believe they will run ads steering our party more to the right if we take control from the fascists.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

97. No doubt.

[tavernier]

28. So you are saying we should silence a voice that is pleading on our behalf?

from a woman who was raised by a father whose soul mission was freedom and democracy?

That makes no sense.

If she and Joe were less than observant of Republican treachery in the past, they have certainly learned their lesson and are begging the country to pay attention. Please don’t advise anyone to change the channel. Every ear should hear her words today.

[tavernier]

38. First kiss I've had since the Trumpandemic started.

Thanks!

[Squinch]

46. I am of the group who has not forgotten what Mika did. In no way am I saying that her

voice should be silenced. I am of the opinion that she needs to do a whole lot more of what she is doing to make up for what she did in the past.

For some it seems she has made up for what she did. For me, she has done nowhere near enough yet. I hope she rants on.

And wouldn't it be nice if she gave as much free interview time to Joe this year as she gave to Donny Bodybags in 2016?

[SergeStorms]

60. At this extremely important point in time...

any voices that have as much volume as Mika's and Joe's is welcome. Our nation is at the verge of completely falling into fascism. The more people who are alerted to this fact, the better. Most Americans aren't as plugged in to the current of politics as we on DU. They have far too many other things to worry about at this point, like eating, getting sick, having a roof over their heads, paying bills. Whatever were Joe and Mika's sins of the past, they're now put aside, if only temporarily for some. Until November 3rd I'm more than willing to put aside any differences with those people, if they're honestly informing my fellow Americans of the treachery and peril we face. My two cents, and have a wonderful weekend.

[Squinch]

61. Do you see that we are not disagreeing about whether she should speak her mind?

[Demsrule86]

37. So are Stein voters...some on the left. We need to give people second chances.

[AllyCat]

65. The Stein voters I know and tried to give a pass to are

Now voting for the orange anus in November. But, we have to take each case on an individual basis.

[JI7]

82. Stein voters were always mostly right wing leaning types

I would bet most probably voted Trump .

[Skittles]

95. I honestly don't understand how anyone can watch them

they are both insufferable and you are correct, they both VERY MUCH helped to create that monster

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

99. We agree, as usual Skittles.

[BlueLucy]

5. She is partly to blame for what is happening to our nation right now. FUCK HER

[samnsara]

10. then we need to look at Michelle Wallace and Steve Schmidt as well..

....2 of my fave hosts/guests.......

[madaboutharry]

18. Nicolle Wallace.

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I think this animosity toward Joe and Mika is very immature. They have owned their mistakes.

I think they are now providing an important public service and they are trying to help save our democracy.

[ancianita]

33. +1000

[Sherman A1]

53. Precisely

It is infotainment, nothing more.

[BlueLucy]

26. Gag me with a rock

[Skittles]

100. YES

those two will do whatever makes them the most money

[JI7]

80. Nicole Wallace and Schmidt have always opposed Trump

[empedocles]

7. Purism is not a way to win elections. Democracy is messy, etc. . . .

[radius777]

17. +1. People are complicated. Many change their views

throughout their lives as events happen.

They did enable Trump but many people did, thinking he was just a comic act that could not actually win.

This is the fight now and we need everyone working to get rid of this guy... doesn't matter what their past 'sins' were.

[Arkansas Granny]

34. Exactly. At first, no one seriously thought he could win, but he was good for ratings.

[Squinch]

58. If they are sincere, I would love to see them give Joe as much air time this year as they gave

Donny Bodybags in 2016.

[samnsara]

8. i have no problems with either of them...i get up at 3 am so I can catch their show..

[Hortensis]

16. Lol, "Mr. President, do you regret all the lying you've done

to the American people"?

Mr. President: "Next." (Hell, no! It's been working extremely well.)

Mica's Outrage: He refused to answer the question!



Seriously, America has to wake up to the grave danger from Trump and the Republicans, and they're doing their best. Every morning.

Grudge is the wrong word, Mad. Same as those of one of our own candidates, our actions reveal our inner selves. Smart, responsible people should only forget their role in electing Trump/McConnell and cabal, and thus the kind of choices they're capable of in future, when they're dead, or drooling in a SNF.

Forgiveness is impossible now, but something to work on in decades to come as memories of our dead fade and devastation of nation and lives is repaired.

But, as you indicate, like our former candidate, what they're doing now is extremely valuable. IF we're able to recover from what they've done, it'll only be because they and millions of culpable others have joined us to try to undo the disaster they've brought down on us, and the entire planet.

[ancianita]

44. And then IF we're able to recover, you can bet they'll be right there, declaring HALF THE CREDIT!

Nah. They are dead weight on this democracy and good governance. If they thought they could help establish an oligarchy, they would.

I grant that while this all might be sincere from media Republicans, it could easily degrade to good-cop/bad-cop Republican games again.

Republicans who have shown bipartisan hostility, animosity and downright subversion of the Constitution have a helluva lot to make up for -- and the Senate Republican side is the very first place to start.

In the long game of U.S. politics, we'll see a temporary feeling of shame.

But the old world view is dug deep, and it won't take long for any show of bipartisan feeling to go away.

Bottom line: trust but verify.

[Demsrule86]

31. I think so too.

[TheCowsCameHome]

40. It's all for show.

n/t

[bucolic_frolic]

43. She was almost in tears yesterday

She has to continually adjust her output to kowtow to Joe, and all the (mostly) other men on the show.

She should do the morning talk shows after 9 am. She could sway some of Trump's suburban housewives.

[lostnfound]

47. Great idea. That is where her passion would work best

She’s frustrating at times, but she knows more than some of the lightweights they have on daytime and she would appeal to moderate suburban moms.

[Skittles]

101. or maybe they could just get someone BETTER than her and Joe

UGH

[MrsCoffee]

50. Don't know why anyone watches them.

They’ve made so much money playing both sides.

[Sherman A1]

54. +1000

[Maven]

92. +1000

I have to laugh bitterly at all the "forgive and forget" posts on this thread.

Mika is not an uninformed rube who got hoodwinked into casting the wrong vote.

She's a media personality who actively promoted the rise of a fascist to high office.

She has no credibility and neither does her husband.

[radius777]

98. As long as they play on our team for the next 90 days

that's all we should care about.

After that we can look at the overall picture, but right now we need all the help we can get.

[Sherman A1]

52. Did she fill enough airtime between commercial breaks?

and keep eyes on the screen?

Then she did her job as that is her function and her only function.

[colsohlibgal]

57. Better Late Than Never Now

This is seriously all hands on deck, this is our democracy at stake.

It is like a horror show now. We have a President who has been a swindler, a deadbeat, a demented pervert. He obviously has cheated on his taxes. And on and on. And yet tens of millions will vote for that.

So good for Mica, the Lincoln Project folks. We must beat this stupid monster and then finally hold him responsible for all his evil. ....hold Mr. Bone Spurs accountable for the first time in his evil life.

[onlyadream]

59. Really felt her emotion.

When they said that next year at this time, if Trump was re-elected, they could all be in jail. Yep. That's where it would be heading. So fucking unreal.

[hotrod0808]

62. I can't stand her.

Her normalization of Trump spurred from her hatred of Hillary Clinton coupled with her desire to be near the center of power is unforgivable. I don't watch the show, I never will, and I hope that it goes down in flames soon.

[CTyankee]

85. I don't know if she hated HRC but isn't that just irrelevant to today's struggle?

Remember, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. This struggle is just too important to bear grudges and waste time pissing and moaning about what she did or didn't do 4 years ago.

Get over it. I did.

[hotrod0808]

93. No.

They were too friendly to Trump and happily normalized him. Now they sound the alarm. Telling me to get over it is wasted characters. If you are over it, more power to you. I will remind you that when this is all over, they will latch on to whatever Republican piece of shit runs in 2024.

[bamagal62]

63. I hate what they did.

But, we are where we are and I’m thrilled she’s calling Out the republicans and speaking out about Trump. We need all we can get right now. It’s water under the bridge.

[Democracy2020]

64. Take a stand against Trump's interference in our elections

The link below allows you to open a complaint with the USPS Inspector General regarding Trumps interference in our elections. Take a stand!

https://www.uspsoig.gov/

[Raster]

66. Thank you for posting the link!!!

I also plan on calling both of my Senators today to register my extreme displeasure! Unfortunately one of them is March McSelected (not elected), and she is in the tank for tRump* about as in the tank as one could be. I cannot wait for her to be replaced by MARK KELLY!!!!

[Historic NY]

67. Here's her rant.....

https://crooksandliars.com/2020/08/mika-brzezinski-goes-extended-rant-calls

[Laura PourMeADrink]

72. +1. I love that thought... redemption, second chances! We have

to take every person that calls trump/gop out as an ally.

[Raster]

75. we. need. EVERYONE. we. can. get.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

94. +1,000,000. I think of anyone who says otherwise as a disrupter. We've

got an evil monster in there that we HAVE to defeat. That said, preparing myself for disappointment. So I won't be too disseminated. Not saying won't work for Biden but self-preservation of sanity important.

[Squidly]

96. Just like in the Lord of the Rings trilogy...

They needed the army of the dead to defeat Sarron
We need EVERYBODY!!!

[Laura PourMeADrink]

73. PS. It's Mika :)

[Pobeka]

76. Redemption and second chances are the only way we win this election

If every voter who voted for trump, or sat it out in 2016 does the same thing in 2020, we lose again. That's certainly not what I want. I want people to feel welcome to help correct their past horrible mistake, not shamed into commiting the same mistake again.

Forgiveness, understanding of other voters is how we beat Trump.

Anger and hate against voters are the tools of Putin.

My anger and hate are targeted against Trump and his political enablers in congress.

[radical noodle]

86. Mika helped put him in office

While I am glad she's saying the right things now, I'll not soon forget her responsibility in this. I also believe in redemption and second chances but she's got a bit more redeeming to do with me.

[CTyankee]

89. I think she will. Remember, her father worked for Jimmy Carter. She's not irredeemable!

She talked about him yesterday, in fact.

Joe's another story. Lifelong Repub and from the South!

Please, let's not waste time on these "Cry me a river" posts. There is work to be done. Let's get off this and get busy working to defeat Schmuck in November!

[radical noodle]

91. I'm with you on that! n/t

[cry baby]

87. Looks familiar. I go on a rant like that daily. nt

[Politicalgolfer]

88. Useful vs Redemption

She's being useful in using her tv platform in slamming Trump.....the more the merrier who do it (like those of the Lincoln Project) are helpful to us Democrats. Redemption is another thing because what they did has ravaged this country both constitutionally, judicially & physically. But most importantly, once Biden is elected, how many of them will show their Republican fangs & begin to tear him & Kamala apart?---Mika/Joe, George Conway, Bill Kristal, ...even Nicole Wallace or Steve Schmidt????? Just be mindful & alert after the election. At 75 I have learned to not assume!

[Raine]

102. Too bad her and Joe gave all that free airtime to Trump 👎

in 2016 because it was such a good boost for their ratings.