Mika Brzezinski's epic rant is channeling my rage.

[catbyte]

I have problems with what she did in 2016 before the election, but dang, she has no more fucks to give.
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Morning Joe’s Mika cuts off clip of Trump’s lying and launches epic attack on ‘stupid pathetic’ president

August 14, 2020
By Tom Boggioni


MSNBC “Morning Joe” co-host Mika Brzezinski abruptly cut off a clip of Donald Trump discussing testing and wearing masks during the coronavirus pandemic, calling his words nothing more than lies, before she went off on a brutally frank rant calling the president “stupid and pathetic” before adding he is responsible for countless U.S. deaths.

Not long after the clip began running, the host cut in saying in disgust, “Just get out of this. I mean, this is the president who just lied four times in a row and I just cut it short because we don’t need to hear him lying.”

Then she went off.

“He says Joe Biden has been wrong every step of the way,” she began. “Was he wrong in January when he penned an opinion piece for USA Today warning of a coming pandemic? Warning that many lives would be lost if the president doesn’t get with his CDC and build teams around this to combat a virus? Was he wrong or were you wrong when you went to the CDC spewing your germs all over the place saying if you want a test, you can test a test, when no one could get a test? Or maybe were you wrong when you said it would go away miraculously? Maybe, were you wrong, when you said it was one person coming from China? Maybe, were you wrong when you said perhaps you don’t want to use the Defense Production Act to mobilize a nationalized response to testing and contact tracing?”

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https://www.rawstory.com/2020/08/morning-joes-mika-cuts-off-clip-of-trumps-lying-and-launches-epic-on-stupid-pathetic-president/

[Miguelito Loveless]

1. Again, that's nice and all,

but nothing they can ever say, or do, will ever make up for the fact that they helped Trump rise to power and profited from it, and still profit from it to this day.

[gulliver]

2. Nope. Bygones is bygones.

They are our allies against Trump now, and they are strong ones. Therefore, they deserve to be treated as friends.

[Miguelito Loveless]

3. Some sins are unforgivable

They are our "allies" until it is more profitable for them to not be. We forget this at our peril.

[samsingh]

5. we are in a war with a treacherous mad man who wants to destroy our democracy

Let's take all the help we can get, let those who supported the traitor trump but regret doing so let go of their shame and help us win our democracy back.

[MrsCoffee]

6. Yeah, she regrets it all the way to the bank....

[Volaris]

11. Exactly. Allies arent necessarily friends. Ask FDR and Stalin.

[markbark]

17. Maxim 29:

The enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy. No more. No less
Good thing to remember....

[Miguelito Loveless]

7. They are certainly free to do this

and try to redeem themselves. They may even be sincere. But NEVER trust them. Same with the Lincoln Project. Sure, they are doing great work, but they are just looking for a seat at the table to undermine progressive reform. The smart thing to do is to accept their help now, and keep them at arms length at all times. They are NOT our friends, they are enemies with whom we have a common enemy.

[cilla4progress]

69. Agreed.

👍👍

[catbyte]

73. Who said we should trust them? As long as they're working towards the same goal I

will work with them until November 3. Did Churchill and Stalin stay BFFs after May 7, 1945? Hell, no.

Do you think they're closet MAGAts? What's the problem?

[Miguelito Loveless]

84. I don't have a "problem" of ther than some folks

attempts to portray these two as "allies" or "friends", or people deserving of the benefit of a doubt.

They are not in any context.

[catbyte]

15. If Churchill and Stalin can forget their differences from 1941-45 and team up

to take down Hitler then we can work with anybody who is anti-Trump until November. That thing is an existential threat to our country and the planet. These purity tests are counterproductive.

Remember what Churchill said, "The enemy of my enemy is my friend."

We can go back to our regularly scheduled differences after November.

[Miguelito Loveless]

19. Remember what Churchill said, "The enemy of my enemy is my friend."

This has been U.S. foreign policy for about 80 years, and with few exceptions, ends badly. Arguably, while the destruction of Hitler was a "win", the tens of millions who have died because of the subsequent actions, Cold Wars, and tyrants we have supported under this doctrine would disagree. Hell, even Hitler was well viewed in this country in the 30s when it supported our intere$t$, and because of this, we enabled Hitler's rise to power.

The enemy of your enemy is someone with whom you have a common enemy. Treating him as a "friend" usually results in screwing over your actual friends (see Poland). Trump and Putin are using this tactic toward their common enemies, and our friends (NATO) are now getting knifed in the back.

Also, people have a lot of admiration for Churchill for his 5 years of leadership during the war, but that does not make up for his virulent racism and imperialism. In fact, Britain's Imperialism is a textbook example I why this maxim is a bad, bad practice. One we are still paying for to this very day.

[flibbitygiblets]

26. Mika and Joe are no Churchill, and they are also not 'friends'

I don't think the OP, nor really anyone on DU considers MJ "friends". But let's not shoot ourselves in the foot at the price of purity. Millions of conservatives watch MJ and we are in an existential crisis. Would you be happier if they ignored the situation and talked about baseball instead? The OP is just pointing out that even people who were dead wrong are now helping. Give it a rest okay?

[Miguelito Loveless]

34. Another "purity" argument

At no point have I argued that we should not encourage these two to rip into Trump. At no time have I said we should not applaud their efforts. I have simply stated that their hands are bloody, and while their efforts are helpful, it will NEVER wash away that blood.

All I have said is NEVER forget these people are monsters. Maybe not to the degree that Trump is, but THEIR ACTIONS IN THE PAST MADE TRUMP POSSIBLE. How many times was Trump on their show? How often did they attack us, and smear us, and mock us?

Why am I attacked for simply reminding people what they are?

[flibbitygiblets]

74. You're not being attacked. We're intelligent adults and don't need "reminding".

Have a nice day.

[Miguelito Loveless]

85. Then why get upset when I simplly stated facts?

If you were in the know, then my comments could be ignored.

Instead, you felt compelled to defend their acting in their own self-interest:

"But let's not shoot ourselves in the foot at the price of purity."

while questioning my motives:

"Would you be happier if they ignored the situation and talked about baseball instead?"

M&J are arsonists of democracy, who helped other arsonists of democracy set this Republic aflame. Now, that the flames are headed their way, and their house is in danger, they are criticizing the Arsonist in chief, and scooping up the odd bucket of water to throw on the fire.

Hey it's great that they are now making attempts to put out the fire, but that does not in any way mean we forget they are arsonists and helped start the fires.

Actions undertaken in one's own self-interest can be helpful, but are NOT laudable.

I do not understand why my pointing out these simple facts upsets so many people, who then try to characterize my statement of fact as somehow inimical to our efforts.

[flibbitygiblets]

97. Nobody's upset. We're annoyed by your finger-wagging.

And now I'm going to fix that by putting you on ignore. Carry on talking to yourself I guess.

[Cha]

105. Mahalo, flibbity!

[ElementaryPenguin]

102. Mika beat the living shit out of the Evil Orange Emperor!!!

[Thekaspervote]

23. Look at it this way, would you prefer she had lobbed softballs today?

Come on...they have an audience and her words are not falling on deaf ears

[Miguelito Loveless]

27. So, where did I say that?

I have EXPLICITLY stated my preferences in this thread.

I am all in for her trashing Trump. I will happily stand by and watch. I will NOT, however, EVER trust her since she (and Joe) helped Trump to power, profited from Trump being in power, and still profit to this day. In the case of The Lincoln Project I will happily watch them hurl rotten tomatoes. I will NOT, give money to them to buy those tomatoes, saving that for my genuine friends (Dem candidates).

If my reasoning cannot be understood, I refer you to the story of the Scorpion and the Frog.

[Politicub]

41. So don't trust her. What's your point?

She doesn't hold elected office; Mika is a news commentator and pundit.

[Miguelito Loveless]

61. I have stated my point multiple times.

If it is not clear by now, then by all means dismiss my remarks.

[Thekaspervote]

44. Looks like I'm not the only one ..Get up on the wrong side?

[stopbush]

33. Some sins are unforgivable? What is this? Religion?

We all recognize the advantage to turnIng independent and even R voters to supporting D candidates and ideals, yet then when they do, some feel obligated to chime in that it’s not good enough. That it will never be good enough.

Fuck that childish bullshit.

[Thekaspervote]

45. Oh no kidding! Politics makes strange bedfellows

[Miguelito Loveless]

52. Where do I speak against this?

Former Republicans and Independent Trump voters (whatever they are) who wish to support us are welcome to do so? Why am I out of line for reminding folks that these same folks fought us tooth and nail to get Trump elected in the first place. They enabled him, normalized him, cheered him on and voted for him. Now, they MAY have recognized their error, and wish to help remove him. And that's wonderful. Just don't forget who they are and what they did.

Also, and this is kind of important, there is a BIG difference to me between people who see the error of their ways, recant, and apologize for their error; and people who just realize the party isn't turning out as they expected and they want everyone to forget they were one of the planners.

[stopbush]

72. You set yourself up as judge and jury with your comment in that

second paragraph. Who are you to decide what is in people’s hearts?

Distasteful, at the least.

[Miguelito Loveless]

87. I judge by actions

and have watched these two for 10 and 20+ years. I stated my opinion, backed up by facts, which renders me judge and jury of that opinion. You are certainly welcome to disagree with my opinion, but do you dispute the facts? Have either Mika or Joe admitted, without qualification, their hand in the rise of Trump? Have they admitted their hand in the normalization of the politics of destruction? Have they apologized? Please feel free point out any transcript or recording where they do. If such evidence is not forthcoming, I stand by my opinion.

And please explain to me how factually pointing out their past actions is "distasteful". If you wish to discuss distasteful, I am sure I can find transcripts of some of Joe's "humor" at the Clinton's expense.

[JI7]

111. Many people do view politics as religion . Many of them like to portray themselves as Pure

and notice they often use words like evil.

From following politics for years I don't trust these types at all becsuse actually getting progress does not seem to be their goal.

[SCantiGOP]

37. "Some sins are unforgivable"

The slogan of losing political campaigns, right up there with “I’d rather be right than get elected.”

[Miguelito Loveless]

46. What does reminding people who these two vile people are,

somehow cause us to lose. I am not telling them to shut up. I am not rejecting their "help". I am just reminding people they cannot be trusted. Their motives are selfish, and self-interested. We lose when we sidle up to people like, while ignoring our true friends. For example, giving more speaking time at the convention to Republicans than AOC.

I'd rather be right AND get elected, thank you very much. Why are the two mutually exclusive?

[llashram]

59. this

UNFORGIVABLE!!!

[calimary]

101. Just DO NOT FORGET.

Do NOT Forget.

Use them for what/how/when they can help turn the bad guys OUT OF OFFICE. Better, wiser, more compassionate, more experienced, less dominance-obsessed, and more reality-based leadership will benefit them, too.

There’s one other thing also:

A new kind of leadership after four years of this shit might, just MIGHT, jiggle a few molecules within their brains such that “um, gee, really can’t fault their approach...” or “um, gee, the numbers on the pandemic are starting to get better” or “um, gee, there’s this change of mood that I’m seeing all over the place - everybody just seems happier/more hopeful/more upbeat - it’s been awhile since I’ve seen that...”

That kind of thing.

And as they start to see things working again. Government starting to work again and start doing some sensible steps, and maybe Dr. Fauci coming out of “detention” and speaking out, giving guidance from a bigger and more official forum again, and describing what improvements we’re seeing in both approach and results... and on... and on...
the Postal Service no longer under assault. Housing programs, food insecurity issues beginning to be solved, safety and caution prevailing over all policies and activities, science and facts and research and credible experts everywhere (and not a witch doctor in the bunch!) and the RESULTS. And the RESULTS from leadership that sees value, first, in wise careful well-informed and compassionate LEADERSHIP in and of itself...

When THAT starts happening, I’m hopeful that there will eventually be enough of a critical mass of people having a change of mind - or of heart. Maybe not a lot of them, but perhaps enough of them - JUST ENOUGH - to make a difference in the vote count.

[dewsgirl]

4. +1000

[Fla Dem]

30. No not as friends, never. Mika and Joe still take shots at both Clintons.

They are enemies of my enemy, that's all. I appreciate whatever bombs they throw at Trump and the rethugs.

[gulliver]

32. Your call, but I will think of them as friends and allies.

My friends don't always say things I like, but they're still friends when the chips are down. The chips are down, and Mika and Joe are there fighting for the good side.

[Trumpocalypse]

77. Not just shots

He still lies about the Clintons and other Dems.

[Trumpocalypse]

42. Yes they are allies now

But they still can't be trusted. They would flip and become Trump sycophants again in an instant. Unlike some Never Trump republicans, such as Nicole Wallace, they didn't turn on Trump out of principle. They did so out of revenge. They wanted jobs in Trump's administration but he refused. They felt Trump owed them because they helped him during the election and were pissed.

[gulliver]

66. That's not my understanding of the history.

[Trumpocalypse]

78. OK

What is your understanding?

[mwb970]

14. What matters is what they are saying right now.

[Miguelito Loveless]

24. Yes, but what will they say tomorrow?

Let me re-iterate: I am all in favor of Joe and Mika trashing Trump, but we must NEVER trust them. An arsonist who helped other arsonists burn down the town may genuinely have reformed, and may now wish to join the fire department. But you NEVER, EVER, forget he IS an arsonist.

[catbyte]

109. Who the hell said anything about trusting them?!? jfc.

[Thekaspervote]

48. Indeed..yesterday it was the huffpost guy asking dotard about his lies, today Mika ranting

Let’s get media coverage going in the right direction!

[amuse bouche]

21. I applaud and appreciate their efforts. As always, too many Dems apply a purity test

And that is frequently our undoing.We never learn

[Miguelito Loveless]

29. Ah, the "purity" argument

Used to justify so many horrid things in the past. It doesn't matter he's a monster, so long as he is OUR monster. We must compromise our ethics and not be afraid to get our hands dirty when pragmatism demands.

Pragmatism is such an indispensable tool in politics, provided you are not on the receiving end of a pragmatic decision.

[amuse bouche]

35. Ahh...no. Not talking about 'monsters' Exaggerate much?

[Miguelito Loveless]

40. Oh, so people like

Marcos, Pinochet, The Shah, The Khmer Rouge, Saddam Hussein, The Salvadoran Death Squads, Suharto, Somosa, Noriega, and many, many more, were not monsters? Because at various times our government backed these people because we didn't want the "purity" of our professed principles to get in the way of what "needed" to be done. Usually, to attack a "common enemy", because "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" And if a thousand/million innocent people have to die in service of that maxim, well, nothing personal, just business.

[Thekaspervote]

49. Maybe trying a little too hard?!

[Miguelito Loveless]

54. What have I stated that is not factual?

How is stating provable fact "trying too hard". You may wish to take issue with my opinion, but how do you see yourself as justified in questioning my motivation? Are you seeking to imply something? If so, spit it out.

[Thekaspervote]

88. See post #70

[Miguelito Loveless]

91. So, you cannot question the facts,

simply impugn my "grip".

Got it.

[JI7]

112. It's very obvious

[amuse bouche]

70. God..get an f'n grip

[Miguelito Loveless]

90. An oldie, but a goodie.

I've heard it many times, like:

1) When I said that Iraq war was based on lies.

2) When I said that the Patriot Act would lead to war crimes, illegal domestic surveillance, and make it easier to become a police state.

3) When I said that Obama's "look forward, not back" reason for not prosecuting Bush would come back and bite us in the ass.

4) And pretty much throughout the last 3+ years as I have predicted the damage Trump would do, and how utterly powerless our "checks & balances" would prove in the face of someone who sees himself as completely beyond the law.

5) Oh, at most recently, my prediction that Trump would do anything to stay in power, up to, and including, directly interfere in the election.

So, by all means, question my grip on reality.

[Politicub]

39. People can change. If we don't allow space for people to evolve

then nothing will change.

I think what they said about Hillary and how they enabled Trump in 2016 was awful, yes.

But we don't have time for purity tests and need all the help we can get to make sure Trump is never president again.

[Thekaspervote]

50. Exactly

[Miguelito Loveless]

83. People can change

But people who refuse to acknowledge they did anything wrong are suspect. I am not a big fan of Michael Cohen, but at least his "help" has been accompained by an actual admission of guilt, and acceptance of his hand in making Trump into a dictator. He has yet to apologize, but at least he admitted his crimes.

[llashram]

57. this and it's always been about money

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with these two which led to willful blindness to trumps obvious deficit(s) of character and integrity in 2016. The man was an obvious sexual predator, new york con man in bed with suspect people, Putin, cheating his workers out of pay, many prominent new yorkers who knew him said he was no good. A total malignant narcissist with no, no empathy or compassion. Mika where were you and joe then? Still sucking up to him

[Miguelito Loveless]

62. Finally, someone gets the point

I cannot for the life me, understand why folks want to spend time indignantly defending these two, and attack folks for simply reminding them of the truth. Also, these folks NEVER apologized for their actions. NEVER admitted their role in Trump's rise to power.

[llashram]

68. and still haven't

that'll be the day we probably will never see. Where those two actually say those two words. Hell, they are multi-millionaires. I don't believe they will ever truly give a damn. She's acting now. And if America truly goes to shit, I guarantee, they will not be here but in some hideaway in some country other than... Hell, maybe even Russia.

[ramen]

113. I'll go out on this limb with you:

it seems like you are saying you welcome their help but don't trust their motives. I can't understand why that position is hard for some here. I welcome their help now but also want to clearly state that I won't be fighting for their ulterior motives which may well be at odds with mine, and which I would hazard a guess may be at odds with most Democrats.

So, by all means, get the ruiners of democracy out of our way by (almost) any means necessary including Lincoln Project folks and anyone else, but be wary of what fairish-weather friends have in mind after that, and consider their current words to possibly not be taken at face value in the future. I'll stand with that.

[Phoenix61]

8. She's shocked a guy who pushed birtherism lies

and can’t lead during a pandemic. She should have through about that several ears ago when she was busy bashing Hillary.

[tavernier]

25. Posts are easier to understand

if the poster reads them before hitting send. Thanks.

[Volaris]

55. Correct; unless this new awareness contains an apology to Hillary...

I'll take it but shes nowhere NEAR forgiven.

[ramen]

114. I wish she had. But here we are nt

[mcar]

9. That was great

[Gothmog]

10. trump is a con man and a liar

I wish that Mika had done this in 2015

[SoonerPride]

12. Nope. Fuck Mika. Fuck Joe. Fuck their little trump rally show forever.

Too little. Too late.

They will never be forgiven.

Ever.

[Raine]

116. Totally agree

I can't stand the sight of her!

[North Shore Chicago]

13. We are in

<---- I'm with nasty


a do or die scenario, let's beat Mika up AFTER we show bodybags out of OUR house. We need all the help we can.

[Pobeka]

16. We have to be able to forgive, not shame voters into committing the same mistake in 2020.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=13904456

[llashram]

65. what's all this forgive shit?

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We have their brand on tape now saying all of these truths. Yet they are intrinsically responsible for trump destroying our democracy and lately trying to destroy the USPS to blatantly keep ballots from being counted. His Postmaster general has fired or reassigned all top people at the post office who were against his orders to corrupt the vote for trump since COVID has necessitated mail-in ballots. I do remember these two from 2016 and nothing has changed my opinion of these two yet. Forgive them for they know-knew not what they do-did. Right? BULLSHIT! They knew exactly what they were doing. And it is too late for repentance. And for the damage to America and Americans, 170,000+ deaths and counting, their man has done.

[Pobeka]

86. Humans don't like to admit their mistakes. If they need forgiveness to make a correction, I'm in.

For some, it won't matter if they think they'll be forgiven.

For some, it will matter. And we need every vote, and we need as many as possible to start climbing out of the dark age of thinking.

[llashram]

92. I mean what I said

Everyone that endorsed this murderer sitting in the Oval Office at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue or voted for this clown are culpable in all deaths from COVID, culpable for all lies that have been spewed from the pie hole of the orange menace, 22000+ at last count and for every bounty collected from Putin by the Taliban for killing American service personnel. American intelligence services said was fact and happening and trump has NEVER addressed this in any way, shape or manner. For all we know, it is still continuing.

NO!!! Forgiveness, in this case, is disrespecting all the wasted innocent lives that have been lost and that we are continuing to lose every day because of the pathological narcissism and sociopathy of this so-called leader that joe Scarborough and mika Brzezinski endorsed willfully and enthusiastically.

You're entitled to choose to judge these two however you please. I will do the same. You have a good one. Try to stay safe.

[Pobeka]

95. You stay safe too, and also have a good one. n/t

[Illumination]

18. Bravo Mika! This ALL need to be said! Maybe Mika is starting a movement?

[Fla Dem]

31. Mika is an opportunist. She'll do what is best for Mika. In 2016 it was kissing Trump's ass.

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[Thekaspervote]

51. If it works, we must exploit it. This is war!!

[Illumination]

79. Think you mean Mika not Mike? Well maybe, but times have changed...

[McCamy Taylor]

20. Wow! I take this as a sign that there is no more Trump base.

Just a few crazies, the same crazies who will insist the earth is flat and man never went to the moon and Hillary is a child trafficker---not because they believe it but rather because they want attention.

[CTyankee]

96. She was never part of his base...did I understand you correctly?

[Ponietz]

22. It was stupid and pathetic 4 fucking years ago

We told you so, we told you, we told you so — but all you wanted to do was amplify the gaslighting. You, and most of the rest of your ilk, refused to speak truth. You kept your heads down while Steve Bannon, Roger Stone, and Alex Jones punked America. You, too, have blood on your hands.

[PatrickforO]

28. Nice post. Lots of people on this thread unforgiving because Joe used to be a Republican.

But here's the thing - he came to his senses. My inclination is to forgive and move on. Because Job #1 - that's to get Trump out and Biden/Harris in, as well as painting the entire downticket blue.

This rant may help in some way, and if Mika and Joe both vote Biden/Harris, that will help more.

What is it the old prayer says? 'Forgive us our trespasses (in the same way and to the same level) as we forgive those who have trespassed against us.'

Just a word to everyone here. When the Trump nightmare ends, and it will, we're going to have to heal as a nation. Holding grudges isn't going to help that. Too much work ahead for divisiveness - tax policy, social justice, environment, education, infrastructure - as Biden says, we have to build back better. To do that, we'll need to work together.

[RhodeIslandOne]

36. Are we gonna extend the same forgiveness to Cocaine Bitch when he "wants to make a deal"?

.....as Senate Minority leader?

[PatrickforO]

56. No. I don't generally use nicknames for people. I assume you're referring to Mitch

McConnell. If this is the case, then Mitch McConnell should be investigated for a number of crimes, including treason.

Trump and his cronies in general need to be investigated for crimes ranging from racketeering, corruption, profiting from public office, crimes against humanity (genocide - the ripping apart of families who came here in good faith and throwing kids in concentration camps does fall under that definition), and treason, as well as criminal negligence. And, if and as warranted, they need to be charged, tried and hopefully imprisoned.

But Morning Joe has not committed any crimes, has he? He backed the wrong horse, changed his mind, and now is a vocal opponent. Logically, these two separate cases are not apples and apples, because these Republican officials HAVE committed crimes.

Tell me, have you seen my dozens of posts about never forgetting the concentration camps, and trials for these people as we did at Nuremberg? About the criminal activities of Trump, McConnell and others in the GOP?

Because by saying forgive and forget for some guy on cable TV who is now a vocal opponent of Trump, I'm certainly not implying the same forbearance should be given to elected officials that abuse their office. Right?

[RhodeIslandOne]

60. I fear we are going to "let it go".

To again, "heal the nation".

Biden himself says he can "work across the aisle". Who on that side of the aisle do you want to work with? They are all complicit.

You think Lindsey Graham will be prosecuted?

[PatrickforO]

75. Well, that's what Obama and Biden did in 2009. Arguably they did

have bigger fish to fry, though. Plus O as the first African-American president, probably would have destroyed himself by trying to hold the Bushies accountable for war crimes. That was kind of the reality in a realpolitik sense.

But this situation is different. I mean, look at the VP pick. And Biden is universally considered sane and moderate. I'm thinking there will be some trials and some charges. I know the Mueller investigation did spin off a number of investigations to various state Attorneys General. I'm thinking that ultimately the Trump family will end up losing everything, and several members may be jailed.

As to guys like McConnell, I'm not sure. To my mind, his refusal to join with Obama and Biden in a bipartisan effort to end Russian interference with the election in 2016 is treason. I mean seriously, if that isn't treason, I don't know what is.

There's a lot of big money backing these people. When corporations went from paying in around 35% of the total federal tax revenue to the current 6%, you can see this whole thing has been a slow coup, beginning with Powell's 1971 Manifesto, that lays out the entire right wing propaganda machine, and Reagan's pocket veto of the Fairness Doctrine in 1987 that led to the rise of hate-talk radio and Fox news during the 90s and oughts.

The strategy is for the oligarchs to systematically buy politicians who promote policies that strip the treasury of money that should be used to make American lives better, and instead give it to corporations and the wealthy in the form of tax cuts or government contracts. It's always about money and greed.

When you lift up the rock of capitalism to look at the squirming things beneath, you'll find those squirming things are generally the hands of billionaires grasping after more profits.

So, the trials I for one want may be a pretty heavy lift. Oh, I think Trump will end up going down, and his family. But the ICE and CBD agents? Maybe a few scapegoats. And Congress? Not so much. Maybe one or two.

But my point is that like Morning Joe or not, there's no reason to put him on trial for anything unless we believe he committed a crime.

[Ponietz]

38. We'll probably have carte blanche

Have we learned nothing? Forgiveness without justice is what happens in church.

[PatrickforO]

67. No. For goodness sake. This isn't apples and apples.

Morning Joe is some guy on cable TV who backed the wrong horse and now is a vocal opponent of Trump. He has committed NO crimes that I know of except having an opinion and then changing that opinion. He's covered there under the First Amendment. You know that, right?

But have you really NOT seen my dozens and dozens and dozens of posts that say that Trump, his family, his cronies, McConnell and key Republican members of the Senate and House, as well as some of these ICE and CBP people need to be investigated for crimes ranging from gross criminal negligence and corruption to treason and crimes against humanity? Because ripping small children from parents who came here in good faith seeking asylum under our own law and then throwing them in cages counts under the definition of genocide.

You should really check out those dozens of posts before you EVER have temerity to even imply I'm advocating a forgive and forget approach to those IN the Trump administration and selected Republicans in the House and Senate. Use logic, please.

Morning Joe = cable show guy who has committed no crimes but being for Trump but then changing his mind

Trump = criminal negligence, racketeering, treason, crimes against humanity
Trump family = massive corruption, in the case of Jared, treason
McConnell = treason, massive corruption, misuse of power
Other republicans = investigate and charge accordingly

See the difference? Please tell me you see the difference. We can't just prosecute people who disagree with us. We can and should prosecute those who abuse their elected office in a criminal way.

[Ponietz]

76. who's advocating criminal charges for M$Greedia?

I think they just see which way the wind is blowing. No one will watch unless they start speaking truth.

[PatrickforO]

81. No one now. But that may change.

Best case scenario, to my mind, would be ongoing investigations by the Attorney's general in various states, as well as the Justice Department, which will change it's tune when Barr is removed (he should probably be charged in some way, as well, for obstruction of justice at the least).

As these facts come to light, the investigation might begin to implicate others, including McConnell.

Will charges be brought? Trials held? Perhaps. I will certainly be vocal in my support of justice being done, and the pendulum seems to be swinging back that way due to the demonstrations and some of the local responses, for example the charging of the officers in the George Floyd case. Accountability will be a watchword in the Biden/Harris administration. As a former Attorney General of CA, Harris will, I think, be vigorous in helping set the direction of the Justice Department, and I know Biden will work to restore the integrity to that department immediately after inauguration. One thing with Biden/Harris - they will for sure be all about integrity. There's absolutely no doubt of that in my mind.

And while Biden's inclination might be to forgive and forget, he is on record as saying he would support prosecutions of warranted. So that is encouraging.

But consider the Military Industrial Complex and the rest of the oligarchs who have so corrupted this republic with their greed. They might well throw Trump and his whole family under the bus, as well as selected scapegoats from Congress and the administration. This will, they will figure, give the American people catharsis - much like Mr Filch in Harry Potter - "My cat has been petrified! I want to see some punishment!"

After that, their thinking will go, the American people will forget. Which is true, because generally we are an ignorant, uninformed, provincial people.

This is why Biden/Harris and the Democrats will have to get in step and work on some serious policy changes, beginning with tax policy. Corporations currently pay in only 6% of total government tax revenue while taxpayers like you and I pay in 86%. That has to be leveled out. Raising taxes isn't particularly popular, but they will have to do it, because what we have now, particularly after the 2017 tax cut for billionaires and corporations, is unsustainable.

Stronger safety nets.
Stronger unions advocating pensions, due process and negotiating wages.
Better and more comprehensive regulation - environmental, food and other manufacturing.
A reversal of some of the worst aspects of devolution.
Infrastructure projects, upgrades, maintenance.
Health care.
Affordable college.

Lots to reverse, and lots to implement. Trump and the GOP have dug us into a horrible hole.

[Ponietz]

110. We agree on these things but a moonshot is necessary

Western culture must be transformed. An inescapable reckoning with human overpopulation and greed barrels towards us. Many areas will be uninhabitable in 20 years. Seems that assuring how our grandchildren will survive should be priority one (but markets don’t give a fuck about that.)

Otherwise, we’re just rearranging the deck chairs, as they say.

[oasis]

43. Mika getting her rage on. nt

[iluvtennis]

47. Way to go Mika - you told the pathetic moron of how ditzy actions with regard to

the virus have resulted in over 164,000 American losing their lives.

I'm giving you some credit back for how you & Joe promoted Don the Con during the 2016 election.

[Thekaspervote]

53. +1000 if it starts others in the media telling the truth..great

We can’t rant on about the media and then when they do some thing right slam their fingers in the door!!

[iluvtennis]

63. + agree. The media has been trying to normalize trump for 3 years, now they are finally opening

their eyes - about time.

[IronLionZion]

58. Deaths: 170,732

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

[lillypaddle]

64. SMH at some of these responses

Think what you like, but didn't trump go to Chelsea's wedding? Trump was always a buffoon, but now he is seriously mentally unfit. The Lincoln Project has done SO MUCH good for us Dems. Okay, so don't invite Schmidt, Conway, Wilson or Michael Steele over for drinks and snacks. But my god, people!

As much propaganda that the trump administration and fox news spits out, we can certainly use the help from the above people, including Mika and Joe. And Nicolle Wallace. And Michael Steele, And Project Lincoln.

This is serious, folks. Don't cut off your nose to spite OUR faces.

Thanks for posting, catbyte.

[catbyte]

71. Thank you. My sentiments exactly.

These purity tests are doing us more harm than good. We can go back to debating our differences after November 3.

[flibbitygiblets]

80. Nicely put. We're not dumb-ass trumpers here, don't need to be reminded

that these people have, to various degrees, created this mess (and may well continue to do so in the future).

Sharing news that former Republicans and Trump enablers are helping us now to bring him DOWN is a bright shiny rainbow in a world of seemingly nonstop shitstorms. These constant "reminders" aren't just annoying (and it is fucking ANNOYING), it's dangerous because we need all the help we can get.

[lillypaddle]

93. Yes! nt

[radius777]

118. +1. We need all the help we can get to rid ourselves of this monster.

These are not normal times, not a normal election.

We will have lots of time to examine what led to Trump's rise and the role the media (including shows like MJ) played AFTER Trump is defeated.

Also, Mika/Joe and the Never Trumpers are far more effective imo in their messaging/hardness of the attack than Dems have been. It takes one to know one, and ex-Repubs know what 'sore spots' to punch him with.

[JI7]

119. I find those who most have a problem with lincoln project and others going after Trump

are those who tend to criticize democrats the most by claiming to be from the left.

I question their what their real motives are .

[radius777]

120. True. If you look on social media

the alt-left wants Trump to win so there's an open primary in 2024. Many lost their shit when Harris was chosen as they know she's a star and likely future president. They were hoping for a bad pick who would be 'easy' for them to beat in any future primary. Similarly, they dislike the Lincoln Project group because it is effective at helping us. Of course there are legitimate critics of the Lincoln Project (and of Never Trumpers overall) but such folks are the exception.

[Baked Potato]

82. Her rants are fine with me!

[jayfish]

89. Oh Brother.

Morning Blow: How Joe and Mika Became Trump’s Lapdogs

The embarrassing part starts when Brzezinski compliments Trump on his campaign stagecraft. She comments that it was a “wow” moment when Trump invited onstage two meatheads who tossed a protester from one of his South Carolina events.

A side note: The vigorous physical expulsion of loser-protesters has become a predictable scene at Trump events. Every time I’ve seen it in person, it’s freaked me out — it’s like a window into some future WWE-style dissident-beheading ritual — but Mika apparently thought the video of the South Carolina incident was inspiring.

“We played it several times this morning!” adds a breathless Scarborough.

How Donald Trump and 'Morning Joe' made up

The cohosts are now in regular communication with Trump and his circle — so much so that they are fielding criticism for being a house organ for the incoming administration.

"They have always been boosters. Things turned south when trump froze them out but coverage always stilted. They are transition spokesmen now,” tweeted a rival morning anchor, CNN’s Chris Cuomo, on Tuesday.

[catbyte]

94. So, you dredge up 4-year-old articles to prove we should always hate them? Did you feel the same

about President Obama when he changed his mind about same-sex marriage? So nobody's opinion can evolve? They've been mighty consistent for at least 3+ years with their criticism of him. I'm not excusing their part in bringing about this mess but I can agree with them now for their criticism of him. We need all of the help we can get to eject that horror show from the White House. There will be plenty of time to go back to despising them after November 3. This is a global emergency.

[jayfish]

99. "I'm not excusing their part"

I knew I should have exclaimed that my post was not directed towards you personally. I stand by the rest and I'll take the assistance. ...not that it's worth much. I just want to make sure nobody is shocked and dismayed when they return to both-sider blvd on 10/5/2020. I gave them an extra day to get the gloating out of their systems.

[flibbitygiblets]

98. If you were on fire, and the guy who banged your wife had a hose, would you tell him to piss off?

Well let's just say the country's on fire. Let's deal with the past betrayal another day, mkay?

[jayfish]

100. I Guess It Depends On What "Piss Off" Means.

[SunSeeker]

103. Also, Biden DID NOT OPPOSE the China & Europe travel restrictions.

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/07/trumps-misleading-comments-on-biden-and-the-coronavirus/ He simply, and correctly, pointed out that the travel restrictions are not enough and would not stop the virus.

[warmfeet]

104. Joe Biden has been correct most of the time.

Orange monkey butt has never been correct.

Vote accordingly this November 3rd.

I am always in favor of anyone supporting our cause. They may only be temporary allies, fine by me.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

106. Wow, Catbyte. That sure opened up a big can of worms.

KY.........

[catbyte]

108. Think I should just stick to animal videos?

[LakeArenal]

107. Kids kids. Play nice. Too much angst over Mika.

Do we really care? No not really.

[duforsure]

115. I stopped watching their show for continuing to show trump promoting propaganda,

I refused to watch it in 2016 . I do applaud Mika's rant , and anyone else in the media unloading on trump and the fascist republican party now. As more run from trump and the GOP we need to welcome their change of heart now, not attack them still because of their past. Will I watch them, nope. Media are being played by trump , and refuse to show and expose him more by letting him control the news cycle . They also show him lying helping him spread his and putins propaganda.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

117. Good rant, Mika!

[akbacchus_BC]

121. I saw the show and she was on fire and on point regarding the occupier of the WH.

Never liked Mika or Joe, however, Dems need allies now. I don't even feel that CNN and MSNBC did Mrs. Clinton any favors in 2016 as they constantly covered that orange asshole non-stop. Just my opinion!

[w0nderer]

122. K & R N/T