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Apparently Ralph Nader's political brilliance isn't being appreciated... (Original Post) brooklynite Aug 2020 OP
Who? mcar Aug 2020 #1
who the *uck is Nader? They guy that gave US 8 years of bush/cheney? That Nader? beachbumbob Aug 2020 #2
Hey Ralphie snowybirdie Aug 2020 #3
Hey, Ralph... FUCK YOU!! NurseJackie Aug 2020 #4
X1000 Zoonart Aug 2020 #7
Ralph who? Regardless how one feels about AOC, she is doing just fine without this guy's advice still_one Aug 2020 #5
nader has earned much more respect than he receives here. rampartc Aug 2020 #6
True. But he also earned the disrespect. Orangepeel Aug 2020 #10
Giving unsolicited advice, from someone who has a dismal record of winning, to someone who still_one Aug 2020 #11
nader had a hand in nearly every advance of the 70s rampartc Aug 2020 #12
I won't rehash 2000, but that pretty much undid the good he had accomplished still_one Aug 2020 #13
Ancient history. DinahMoeHum Aug 2020 #14
Nonsense BannonsLiver Aug 2020 #27
Nader's accomplishments were undone by his ego. hunter Aug 2020 #32
Nader is an asshole and should be ignored Gothmog Aug 2020 #8
Go back in time to 2000 Trumpocalypse Aug 2020 #9
Yep, IIRC Nader was the driving force behind the "both sides are the same" narrative... Wounded Bear Aug 2020 #15
Nader is a Trump political ancestor. gulliver Aug 2020 #19
OK, that didn't work so well Zambero Aug 2020 #16
"The only difference between the Republican and Democratic parties..." dalton99a Aug 2020 #17
He said there's not a dime's worth of difference between the Democrats and the GOP. NurseJackie Aug 2020 #21
Ralph Nader - the Original Kanye West. OAITW r.2.0 Aug 2020 #18
STFU Ralph and remember Florida 2000 cause we do. yellowcanine Aug 2020 #20
Ralph Nader is a meaningless has-been in today's politics. MineralMan Aug 2020 #22
Good lord, talk about mansplaining obamanut2012 Aug 2020 #23
ultimate loser SiliconValley_Dem Aug 2020 #24
:cringe: crickets Aug 2020 #25
Creepy old irrelevant white dude mansplaining her obamanut2012 Aug 2020 #26
Good for AOC BannonsLiver Aug 2020 #28
Lol, reminds me of when he hoped to link up with Bernie Sanders Hortensis Aug 2020 #29
I thought he died years ago. COLGATE4 Aug 2020 #30
Nader "broadened his political impact" 20 years ago DFW Aug 2020 #31
Ignore him! Isolate him. Nader is a self-important spoiler. keithbvadu2 Aug 2020 #33

still_one

(92,061 posts)
5. Ralph who? Regardless how one feels about AOC, she is doing just fine without this guy's advice
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 09:34 AM
Aug 2020

I find it laughable that some people want to give others unsolicited advice, especially from those giving that advice who have a dismal record of "winning"


still_one

(92,061 posts)
11. Giving unsolicited advice, from someone who has a dismal record of winning, to someone who
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 09:39 AM
Aug 2020

has been, and is doing quite well without that advice


rampartc

(5,388 posts)
12. nader had a hand in nearly every advance of the 70s
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 09:44 AM
Aug 2020

the environmental record alone is staggering. perhaps he has some thoughts on a green new deal?

that is all.

still_one

(92,061 posts)
13. I won't rehash 2000, but that pretty much undid the good he had accomplished
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 09:46 AM
Aug 2020

Needless to say, as you probably realize, Nader is not going to get a very positive reception here


hunter

(38,303 posts)
32. Nader's accomplishments were undone by his ego.
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 10:56 AM
Aug 2020

Bernie Sanders has very similar flaws.

Both can be especially tone deaf about civil rights issues. They think these are mostly economic issues. Again and again they are "color blind," as are many of their supporters.

My mom used to use Nader as an example of someone who "worked within the system," especially when she was feeling alarmed about my own dumpster diving and other mischief. She saw Nader as a "successful" activist. I was just trouble, maybe like her own dad was trouble. (As a child my mom saw her dad beat up by the cops for protesting the internment of their Japanese neighbors.)

The problem is the system is broken, and everything Nader did merely postponed the final reckoning. He kept saving the system from itself, keeping the world safe for straight white guys, and here we are, first with George W. Bush, and now with Trump, with the system collapsing around us.

The Coronavirus is just a harbinger of things to come. Climate change, income disparities, and racial inequalities will bring worse. We will need competent leadership to simply survive as a Republic, let alone prosper.

With GWB and Trump we've experienced firsthand the damage venal incompetent leaders do.

With Obama we saw what a competent respected leader who understands civil rights issues can accomplish.

Biden and Harris are respected and competent leaders who clearly understand civil rights issues. As a straight white man, Biden didn't at first, but he has listened and learned.

AOC clearly understands civil rights issues.

I don't know what Nader has to offer any of them.

gulliver

(13,168 posts)
19. Nader is a Trump political ancestor.
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 10:11 AM
Aug 2020

Nader helped put Dubya in office. Dubya stampeded the country into the Iraq War, destabilizing the ME. ISIS started as AQ in Iraq. ISIS promoted terror and spawned a refugee crisis. Resentment of refugees and ISIS terrorism fed nationalism and isolationism. Trump and Brexit, among other things, resulted.

Zambero

(8,962 posts)
16. OK, that didn't work so well
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 10:09 AM
Aug 2020

Time for this Bush-Trump enabler to request immediate "action" from someone. Anyone out there give a rats ass? Susan Sarandon???

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
21. He said there's not a dime's worth of difference between the Democrats and the GOP.
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 10:21 AM
Aug 2020

He said there's not a dime's worth of difference between the Democrats and the GOP. He was repeating something that had also been claimed by Alabama's George Wallace. It's also something that was repeated (in many different ways) by another politician who has a history of denigrating Democrats and the Democratic party. It was wrong then, and it is wrong now.

I have nothing but the HIGHEST LEVEL OF CONTEMPT for anyone who makes such a claim. Those who have told this lie, and those who continue to tell this lie, can go fuck themselves!

OAITW r.2.0

(24,301 posts)
18. Ralph Nader - the Original Kanye West.
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 10:10 AM
Aug 2020

How's that "not a dim,e's worth of difference" working out for you, Ralph?

obamanut2012

(26,047 posts)
26. Creepy old irrelevant white dude mansplaining her
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 10:31 AM
Aug 2020

Then publicly calling her out for not responding to his creepiness.

Nader is officially a "Nice Guy" incel.

BannonsLiver

(16,313 posts)
28. Good for AOC
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 10:35 AM
Aug 2020

That she doesn’t give a shit who Ralph Nader is is a feather in her cap. Ralph’s a fraud anyway. She’s not missing anything.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
29. Lol, reminds me of when he hoped to link up with Bernie Sanders
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 10:37 AM
Aug 2020

in 2014-2016 but couldn't get him to return his calls. Deja vu all over again.

So unfair when he nevertheless nobly fought to defeat Hillary and shred the giant coattails so many other Democrats were being swept into office on. One would think he's earned some recognition for his contribution to that success.

And this is Nader this year, still flying to Sanders' defense against evil "dictator" Hillary:



Surely he's earned the courtesy of at least a polite brush-off note?

DFW

(54,302 posts)
31. Nader "broadened his political impact" 20 years ago
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 10:51 AM
Aug 2020

The country suffered immeasurably under the lasting effects of that impact.

I don‘t blame anyone for not returning his calls.

keithbvadu2

(36,669 posts)
33. Ignore him! Isolate him. Nader is a self-important spoiler.
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 11:19 AM
Aug 2020

Ignore him! Isolate him. Nader is a self-important spoiler.

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