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Quixote1818

(28,927 posts)
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 10:55 AM Aug 2020

Why The 2020 Presidential Election Is Not 2016


August 8, 2020 7:01 AM ET
Domenico Montanaro

Democrats are haunted by the ghosts of 2016.

Hillary Clinton led in many polls over Donald Trump throughout that election cycle, and while the national polls were pretty dead-on when it came to the popular vote, some key battleground state polls got it wrong.

So who can blame Democrats when they don't believe surveys showing Biden with a significant lead nationally and in key states? The latest NPR Battleground Map released this week, for example, shows Trump slipping and Biden expanding his advantage in the key states. Democrats are favored to retain control of the House, and Republicans are worried about losing the Senate.

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But there are plenty of reasons why 2020 is not 2016:

1. Trump appears to have a ceiling of 46%: More concerning for the Trump campaign than a slippage in the polls is the very real possibility that he hasn't gotten higher against Biden than the 46% of the popular vote he got in 2016.

Trump's 45.6% average of the polls at the end of February was his peak against Biden over the last 10 months. What's more, in hundreds of surveys, Trump has only reached even 47% in a few.

2. The third-party vote share is likely to be lower: Roughly 6% of voters in 2016 voted third-party, the highest percentage since 1996. That helped Trump win the Electoral College. But the percentage of people voting third-party in 2020 this fall is likely to be lower for multiple reasons, including:

More: https://www.npr.org/2020/08/08/900338253/why-the-2020-presidential-election-is-not-2016

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Why The 2020 Presidential Election Is Not 2016 (Original Post) Quixote1818 Aug 2020 OP
k&r -- thanks for posting! obamanut2012 Aug 2020 #1
I think this misses the biggest difference for me genxlib Aug 2020 #2
we are building off of 2018 and ever growing anger beachbumbob Aug 2020 #3
This election is a blowout. RhodeIslandOne Aug 2020 #4

genxlib

(5,524 posts)
2. I think this misses the biggest difference for me
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 11:04 AM
Aug 2020

In 2016, Clinton was winning polls but she rarely cracked 50%. That represented a pretty big slice of undeclared voters.

In 2020, Biden is winning polls by regularly being above 50%. Big difference if it holds.

Having said that, national polls are useless since it is only predicting the popular vote. As we saw, that can go upside down. Swing state polls are far more important in predicting the Electoral College.

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
3. we are building off of 2018 and ever growing anger
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 11:39 AM
Aug 2020

any one who mentions 2016 is being less than stellar in opinion as 2016 and 2020 are NOT remotely comparable. Outside of russian misinformation efforts. We have NO "berne brother" movement fracture, we have a nominee with no clinton baggage and we have trump's years of negligence and his own words to use use

any time I see this commentary I think of russian bots at work

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