Is it just me or is this theme of letting people die from covid because they

[jorgevlorgan]

Are "unhealthy," just another way of promoting eugenics/ genetic superiority and a fascist state?

By "theme," I mean the crap spilling out of fox news and right wing nut jobs 24/7.

[soothsayer]

1. Pretty sure we're going for herd immunity

Without actually saying so.

[oldsoftie]

26. And we dont even know that herd immunity can be achieved with this virus. nt

[uponit7771]

37. +1

[luvtheGWN]

39. Sweden tried it.

It failed badly.

[IronLionZion]

28. Herd immunity is mass vaccination

not kill off as many people as quickly as possible

[abqtommy]

2. I remember when AIDS broke out. There were some people who cheered each death and I

think they're still around...

[jorgevlorgan]

10. It is truly pathetic

[CaptYossarian]

22. At least Pat Robertson is.

[ananda]

3. This thinking underlies the whole Reep response.

It will kill people they hate or don’t
care about.

[jorgevlorgan]

6. Exactly

To me that is very close to a nazi style extermination if put in practice.

[FoxNewsSucks]

34. Yeah, passive extermination instead of active extermination.

[ananda]

40. That's a good way to put it.

Exactly

[pwb]

4. Everything possible is being done to save these people.

My daughter is a nurse and they are fighting like hell for all the sick. Letting die? No way. What theme?

[jorgevlorgan]

5. Right wing talking points.

But not everybody is doing everything they can. Specifically the jerks refusing to wear masks or intentionally spreading the virus. Most have the idea that the people who will die from it dont matter because they are unhealthy to begin with. That sounds like eugenics to me.

[3Hotdogs]

8. Theme is about limited resources in I.C.U.

N.J. hospitals had this conversation when the state's virus count was at its peak.

Not enough ventilators. Limited staff to treat the sick.

Triage is a medical process.

[Squinch]

20. There are ways your daughter's efforts, and the efforts of all the medical personnel who are

fighting this, could be helped. And they are just not getting that help.

Like a national mask mandate. Like a plan for responsibly opening rather than just saying, "It's over now," when your daughter could easily point to mountains of proof that that is not true.

Like sufficient testing, tracing, PPE, mail service to keep people at home more.

And scads of other things we could be doing to help your daughter.

She and those like her are an island of help. She is doing everything in her power to save those people, but everything is certainly NOT being done to save those people. She and those like her should not be expected to bear the whole burden, and right now they are.

[JI7]

7. It's mostly about defending Trump

[jorgevlorgan]

9. I just wouldn't be surprised if those talking points came from him to begin with

A tried a nd true fascist.

[CaptYossarian]

23. He is evil, but the brains in the WH are Miller and Bannon.

Trump is the dancing monkey collecting the donations while they play the tunes.

[GoCubsGo]

14. Yep. Probably some selective blindness mixed in there, too.

The Fox "News" crowd is apparently in some sort of weird denial as to who is their audience, most of which fit into the "old" and/or "unhealthy" categories. Or, they really don't care. Probably both.

[C_U_L8R]

11. They cheer it on until it happens to them.

Or perhaps their younger brother.

[eShirl]

12. passive genocide

[CaptYossarian]

24. Blackmailing the schools to open isn't passive.

The kids will bring it home to the more vulnerable relatives.

In a couple of weeks, I'll be forced to wear my mask inside my own home.

[jorgevlorgan]

48. Ugh you are right.

Forcing states to reopen by withholding funds is also not passive. Trashing a plan to fund testing because it helps "blue cities" is also not passive. I'm pretty sure we've come full fascist.

[CaptYossarian]

49. It's incredible what such a profoundly stupid man can do in such a short period of time.

And the Founding Fathers never saw this coming. Eisenhower saw the roots of it, but not all the dominoes.

[jorgevlorgan]

50. It seems like they did, and prescribed the wrong solution in the electoral college.

...which is what resulted in us getting the fascist in the first place.

[CaptYossarian]

52. In a span of 20 years, we were saddled with Dubya and now this!

It's as bad as them thinking muskets would never be replaced and adding the Second Amendment. (But that was Scalia's deal, misinterpreting the intended meaning in the first place.)

[forthemiddle]

13. Even if it's the truth?

I work for a hospital, and read the charts of Covid patients every day. I’m not seeing any “healthy” patients being hospitalized.

This is totally anecdotal, and I’ve probably only seen 20-30 charts, with the exception of two patients, they all fall into two categories. The elderly, and the obese.

The elderly, are the hardest hit (as reported), and have the worst outcomes. The ones under 65 have been morbidly obese, with generally one or two other conditions. Usually diabetes, or hypertension, or both.

The only two exceptions have been alcoholics that come in during withdrawal, and are found to have Covid. Interestingly, even though neither of them came in because of Covid, they both declined very quickly into having a life threatening condition.

Please remember, that I am only referring to patients that are sick enough to be admitted, so I’m not saying that healthy people don’t get Covid, I’m saying, in my limited observation, that if you are morbidly obese, and have other co-morbiditys, your chances of being hospitalized go up.

Again, this is all only my observation, I haven’t done any double blind studies, so take it for what it’s worth. My best advice to everyone is, wear your masks, keep your distance, wash your fricking hands, and lose weight!

[jorgevlorgan]

15. No. I mean the mentality of

"I shouldn't wear a mask or worry about other peoples' eell being or take steps to keep people from getting the disease, because people who will die from it are unhealthy anyways."

[forthemiddle]

16. Oops sorry for the confusion

But maybe my post will reinforce the idea we all need to stay healthy!

[jorgevlorgan]

17. Hah no worries

It absolutely does. Of course in terms of covid, I imagine certain genetic health issues like asthma also increase risk of death. Something people can rarely change.

[yellowwoodII]

47. Thank you for saying this

Half of the TV ads I see are for Big Pharma medications and the other half are for unhealthy foods. There's not much we can do to fix being elderly, but individuals do have control about their diets. So many illnesses are aggravated by obesity which stands at 42%.
It's the SAD (standard American diet) that is to blame. Why not name it?
https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html

[Afromania]

18. Unhealthy and/or brown and/or old.

Call me a conspiracy theorist if you wish, but I know in my heart of hearts they let this thing go because they felt it was mostly going to kill brown people. They were willing to let their grandmas die to ensure this thing "pwned the libs" and killed the n's and w's. You know, completely ignoring the fact that it was killing people in every country regardless of ethnic background.

[Boomerproud]

19. CNN had an opinion piece on their site about the

lack of collective mourning in this country for covid unlike 911. Very somber reading.

[Captain Zero]

41. I'm pretty certain some survivors are shamed into not talking about what their relative died from

Someone I know reported to me about a family that has lost three elderly members really fast. One had complete organ failure, another they were not allowed to visit, and a third was kidney dialysis patient and they "just went really fast".

This person reporting is very elderly. I said those all sound like corona virus deaths to me, and she said "oh no it wasn't THAT" like it would be a shameful thing to say/acknowledge or consider that.

People are in denial that there is a passive genocide of the old, POC, and the poor, especially since regular and 'worthy' people are collateral damage.

[Trueblue Texan]

21. A similar talking point I hear in the discussion of nursing home deaths...

...is, “a lot of those so called Covid-19 deaths happened to people who were on hospice.” As though being on hospice makes you immune to the virus. If you have terminal cancer and die in a car accident, you die in a car accident, not cancer. But apparently that logic doesn’t apply to Covid-19 deaths. Maybe if you’re on hospice you’re immune?

[oldsoftie]

32. They take actual mis-labeling of a death and say its happening ALL the time.

There have been cases of people dying in accidents and finding out they're CV positive and then being called a Covid death
https://cbs12.com/news/local/man-who-died-in-motorcycle-crash-counted-as-covid-19-death-in-florida-report

[SheltieLover]

25. Yes it is genocide

Another way to eliminate elders (social security!), people of color (votes!), and those with medical conditions! 🤬

[eilen]

27. And motivated by racism-- Blacks and Latinos are disproportionately

affected by Covid and have significantly higher mortality rates.
It is like a laissez faire genocide except the fact they are forcing school attendance which makes it a Trump sponsored program.

[IronLionZion]

29. Sounds like something out of Nazi Germany

[machoneman]

30. Wingers seem to think ONLY the protestors spread the virus in recent demonsttions. I have...

...pointed out that in the entire country, likely only 10,000 or so protestors, in a few cities, all masked btw, could not even compare to millions of folks in FL, CA, GA and other states that dropped any pretense of masking, distancing, etc. for a few months now.

Ah, but facts are a weird thing for them, eh?

[IronLionZion]

31. Protesters from every city worldwide migrated south for the summer

that's why the virus is exploding in southern states. Just wait until sunshine and warmth ends this pandemic in those states.

[NurseJackie]

33. Can we just "let them die" if they're Republican politicians?

[ehrnst]

35. Reduction of Medicaid and Medicare recipients. I believe there were GOP pols pointing this out as

silver lining...

[CaptainTruth]

38. I'm convinced the GOP is all about healthy rich white male "Christian" superiority.

That is their "superior race."

If you have a medical condition they view you as inferior & they're fine if you die. If you're poor they view you as inferior, & etc etc. They believe inferior people should be eliminated.

Yes, it's very much about their view of themselves as the "master race." They don't just engage in ethnic cleansing, they engage in economic cleansing, religious cleansing, medical cleansing, etc.

[Lonestarblue]

42. I think we're in it for the long haul with this virus.

It’s too widespread now, and too many people refuse to take any precautions against spreading it. Assuming that Biden wins and institutes national mandatory mask wearing, Trump supporters will simply ignore that and continue spreading the virus at will. The longer-term solution is a vaccine, but it will not be an instant cure. I think I remembered that Trump had ordered 3 million doses of vaccine from one of the companies working on it. We have a population of more than 328 million. Those 3 million doses will rightfully go to healthcare workers. It could take a couple of years to get the majority of people vaccinated, and that would not include the anti-vaxxers who will refuse the treatment and thus continue to be contagious around those who cannot be vaccinated for health reasons.

We need a better strategy than just future vaccinations to gain some control, like quick tests to perform at home and better/quicker testing for use in schools and businesses to allow faster isolation of people with the virus. I fear that two more years of this virus will decimate the economy and Democrats will suffer in 2022 because every death and outbreak will be blamed on them.

[Warpy]

43. Two ways to look at this one

and right now, families are still in control in most states, so the tough decisions are happening mostly in Florida.

The truth is that people with multiple health problems who are also as old as I am are not going to do well. Heroics will just torture them and prolong the torture, and if a few do survive, they will be ill for the rest of their lives. That is the ugly reality of this virus in older people with serious underlying health conditions. It hurts the patient and it doesn't work.

The eugenics argument is a little sillier, since 80% of deaths have been in people older than 60. They've bred already, so the gene pool remains as it was. Their offspring will likely develop the same underlying medical conditions as they age.

This is a virus. It only has one purpose, to invade a cell, hijack the inner machinery, and make copies of itself. It doesn't care who that cell is living in and there is no way to determine who will get a severe illness and who will not. When transmission is rapid and the health care system is overwhelmed, decisions have to be made about who is likely to be helped by heroics and who is not.

Just take right wing hooting about eugenics for what it is, spiteful, mean spirited rubbish from spiteful, mean spirited people that has no bearing on actual medical practice or the health of the gene pool.

[bluestarone]

44. It's NOT just you! The sad part is

How many people are ACCEPTING this THEME! (If you die too bad) WOW just WOW!!

[I_UndergroundPanther]

45. Yep it's eugenics

And Nazi lives unworthy of life bullshit.

Or it's a shortage of supply.

Either way no one should be picking who lives and who dies. Period.

[Hortensis]

46. Standard extremist libertarian ideology, but most hard-righters

aren't extremist libertarians. These days they're extremist authoritarian followers marching over the libertarian "death panel" cliff.

Took a long time doing. Conservatives by nature are altruistic and caring toward others, albeit mostly toward those they see as their own, to less and less toward "others." They also, though, have a dark view of human nature and tend to believe assistance leads people to not take care of themselves.

In contrast, genuine libertarians by nature are mostly devoid of altruism. Libertarian philosophy makes a great virtue of allowing the fittest to survive on their own, creating strong, healthy societies, and rejecting policies that don't allow those who can't to cull themselves.

Corrupt, wealth-serving, anti-tax and regulation Repub leaders have been replacing the traditional conservatism of the past with libertarian thinking for decades now. A really, really bad influence for authoritarian conservatives, who hand their consciences and responsibilities over to their chosen leader and then dutifully and mostly unquestioningly support his decisions.

And here they are now, blindly replacing the ideal of government for the people with an effective duty of the weak to die/to let them die, while imagining they're patriots protecting their own freedom. The imagined "death panel" they once fought is now real, and they fight for it..

[Demonaut]

51. Not very prolife of them