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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDems have Romney's tax returns.
That's what I've been told by an authoritative journalist in Washington, an old friend.
Someone in McCain's camp leaked the returns. Dems have them.
This isn't going away.
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ananda
(35,068 posts)nt
tosh
(4,453 posts)That could be fun!
Vox Moi
(546 posts)
polichick
(37,626 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)polichick
(37,626 posts)...soon to come but I can't find it today.
Control-Z
(15,686 posts)Never saw a follow up.
polichick
(37,626 posts)
doublethink
(7,330 posts)doesn't look like anything came of it ... yet anyway.
polichick
(37,626 posts)nanabugg
(2,198 posts)the debates. He will be flustered. Or, just leak a little here and there to FOX "News" It will send them over a cliff.
montanacowboy
(6,710 posts)that he paid no taxes?
are they going to release them - PUT THE FINAL NAIL IN THAT BASTARD'S COFFIN
KurtNYC
(14,549 posts)the coffin is already hermetically sealed and encased within another, slightly larger, coffin which the tax returns will encase in yet another slightly larger coffin, Ukrainian style.
montanacowboy
(6,710 posts)A STAKE TO FINISH IT OFF
DrewFlorida
(1,096 posts)
louis-t
(24,612 posts)What? Oh....
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)1GirlieGirl
(261 posts)A coffin with Rmoney's tax returns printed on it, then a smaller coffin, on down until you get to a tiny little Rmoney baby doll wearing magic underpants! Love it!
randome
(34,845 posts)
Hutzpa
(11,461 posts)lol
Mnemosyne
(21,363 posts)I like that in a person! 
OneGrassRoot
(23,952 posts)
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)Romney really reminds me of Kronk.
Big, dumb and oblivious.
Thanks for the Emperor's New Groove reference. Love that movie and anyone who mentions it certainly gains many points, in my book!
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)right there with The Great Mouse Detective.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)Lilo and Stitch was terrific.
The Emperor's New Groove is still my fav. I think I've seen it 100 times.
"Is there anything on this menu that isn't swimming in gravy?"
George II
(67,782 posts)Romney's "toast on the floor, butter side down"!
SlimJimmy
(3,251 posts)Senator Reid's claim? It's one thing to allege something, and quite another for it to be true. If this turns out not to be true, it will hurt us more than help.
Spazito
(55,419 posts)in order to make the % work. The Romney campaign admits this manipulation themselves. To me, this makes Senator Reid's points even MORE valid, not less.
aquart
(69,014 posts)Did Reid say "the LAST ten years"? Please provide a link.
SlimJimmy
(3,251 posts)Romney campaign using this to beat us over the head. I'm never surprised at DU around election time, never disappointed with the self-appointed concern police when someone point s out a fact. Senator Reid said he hadn't paid taxes in ten years. You can try to create wiggle room all you want, but all the folks I've talked to about this (mostly progressives) took it to mean the last ten years.
DearAbby
(12,461 posts)Romney had to take the amnesty, declaring prior undeclared sums of money in said Cayman accounts, Bermuda Accounts and Swiss bank accounts, in 2009. Paid the fee. He had not paid taxes on previously....cause he was HIDING IT.
1GirlieGirl
(261 posts)If we're vigilant and vocal and don't let these fucking snakes manipulate the rules and/or numbers, this shit is IN THE BAG.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)I think he is pretty positive that what he said is true. And from what we know of Romney, it certainly seems quite possible.
Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)Perhaps he started claiming that information after he was exposed. Perhaps he used that Son of Boss provision in earlier years and doesn't want to be caught.
Just thinkin' on computer keys.
vaberella
(24,634 posts)
bluedeminredstate
(3,322 posts)Steve Schmidt? He's actually reasonable and fair when he's on MSNBC. He seems totally disgusted by the GOP these days. Plus, he probably has Sarah Palin's dirty little secrets as well. He's got all kinds of inside scoop and a lot of credibility.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)...in the movie Game Changer that revealed what a nutjob Palin was during the campaign. He has also appeared on CNN, completey dogging Palin and disclosing what a fake and an idiot she is. Of course, he said it in nicer terms, but clearly he has no problem confirming what the American public all ready knows and suspects about Palin.
With that said, it's obvious that Schmidt is a reasonable Republican. He is a very good guy. I don't think he appreciates it much that his party is being destroyed by a bunch of looney zealots. I also imagine that he's stricken by the damage that Romney has caused the entire Republican party.
I imagine that many in the Republican party want Romney completely discredited. They want him revealed for the fool that he is--so the party can distance themselves from him--when he loses. They want history to write that Romney was a mistake and an outlier and that he does not represent the Republican party.
So, I imagine that there are Republican forces (beyond the Noonan/Brooks contingent) who want Romney obliterated--so the fault of this election lies squarely on Romney and not on the Republican party.
MnAttorney
(39 posts)That would exclude 2009, however, which is the one we really want.
livetohike
(24,260 posts) 
PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)
??Hamlette
(15,556 posts)it is assumed that is the source, someone from McCain's 2008 campaign. McCain would have only had through 2007.
PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)Thanks!
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)Romney listed his Swiss accounts on federal filing forms without indicating whether they were (legal) US branches of UBS or (illegal) Swiss UBS.
In 2009, people with illegal Swiss accounts were granted amnesty if they owned up to their accounts and paid all due income taxes, interest and penalties on them.
That's why we want to see '09. To see if Romney was a tax felon who took advantage of the amnesty program.
defacto7
(14,162 posts)Pull up a chair and stay a while!
malaise
(295,733 posts)
gateley
(62,683 posts)Control-Z
(15,686 posts)Have they been sitting on them for a while now?
PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)Reid would NOT be regularly bringing this up if he didn't KNOW something. No way.
So....I wonder what their strategic timing for the leak will be? Or will there be one?
Damn...this is GREAT!
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)A good boxer never gives anything away with "tells" until he hits his opponent with the haymaker. And Harry has seemed to me throughout this whole tax dustup to have the quiet patience of the guy who drew the fourth ace, if I may mix metaphors.
DrewFlorida
(1,096 posts)
Indpndnt
(2,391 posts)Well played. 
kentuck
(115,391 posts)Wouldn't Mitt know that?
malaise
(295,733 posts)
Raven
(14,275 posts)had them, he'd release them himself and not just a summary.
malaise
(295,733 posts)than take himself down
Berlum
(7,044 posts)
Hutzpa
(11,461 posts)nt.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)yardwork
(69,303 posts)And Ryan. It looks a lot like both of them.
alterfurz
(2,681 posts)
rsweets
(310 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)
Gold Metal Flake
(13,805 posts)We want the WHOLE truth.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)malaise
(295,733 posts)
madinmaryland
(65,724 posts)
bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)My apologies, but we have to be hard-assed about this kind of stuff after the Killian memos in 2004.
cynatnite
(31,011 posts)Control-Z
(15,686 posts)they couldn't use them.
DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)that's the beautiful thing about the internet. It is the modern version of a plane dropping leaflets...except on a world-wide level.
gkhouston
(21,642 posts)I doubt it. I don't think the confidentiality laws apply to non-government entities.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)McCain's campaign and they didn't sign a confidentiality agreement, a staffer could leak them. Even if a confidentiality agreement was signed the worst thing that could happen would be a civil suit.
Methinks Harry Reid is playing the part of Bugs Bunny to Willard's Wile E. Coyote in this little psychodrama.
Jeff In Milwaukee
(13,992 posts)is being sued by a guy who can hire lawyers by the busload!
But you're right. If the person was not a tax preparer or otherwise licensed to practice by the IRS and did not sign a non-disclosure agreement. There's probably a civil suit in there, but nearly as I can tell, there is no inherent privacy to tax returns (like there would be with medical information, for example).
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)back if they weren't picked. I would. I wonder, where would McCain have had them? in a safe somewhere? haha
McCain hates Romney. In Game Change he was quoted as calling him an asshole.
paybacks are hell
Aerows
(39,961 posts)that in an accountants office, or an attorney's office that makes shit for pay would be loyal to someone like Mitt Romney, who just said they were moochers? How many people do you think this man has screwed over in his lifetime with his sneering contempt? I'd bet quite a few.
Romney's downfall is his hubris. There are probably any number of people that would risk it for free, and any number that would eagerly leap on the chance to do it for compensation. I have rock-solid principles, and rock-solid commitment to adhering to privacy constraints. I'm not a greedy person in general, but I swear, I'd be tempted because he's such a fucking arrogant bastard.
He would last about ten minutes as royalty in European monarchy before someone plotted to off his ass with the attitude he shows the world. "Oh, well, just let the Middle East fight wars amongst themselves, eventually enough of them die then we will look into it."
uncle ray
(3,351 posts)i doubt he handed over reams of paper documents.
kywildcat
(582 posts)I doubt anyone would want to take on the liability for releasing something like that-except may Mr. Flynt.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)How many people have been screwed over by Romney. That number is probably quite high, and when you screw over enough people that it is a huge crowd, they have a way of getting back at you.
I'm just assuming, because I certainly wasn't associated with him, but a man of his wealth has a lot of associations, and given his attitude, a lot of burned bridges.
gkhouston
(21,642 posts)information during the course of their work (whether it's an IRS employee or a Congressional staffer) can be prosecuted. If, however, Romney gave consent to the McCain campaign and they leaked the info, a civil suit would be the most that could be done, and that only if the campaign signed an agreement not to disclose.
kywildcat
(582 posts)government employee.
And when people sign on with a campaign or even a corp-they sign non competes and non disclosures. Anyone at a level within the McCain campaign that would have had access to and/or understood the tax returns would have signed the forms. Plus there's attorney client privilege.
I'm not a government employee-I do though work for one of the big 4 in the tax department. The people (including the secretaries) are always cognizant of what's at stake if they release something.
Democrat 4 Ever
(3,941 posts)about family, friends, neighbors, old addresses, school chums, past co-workers, they crawl up into your butte and you feel like you have had a lower GI exam by the time they let you go to work. And then you work ONLY on cases that your are assigned - never assigned a case if there is a possibility you MIGHT know them. Period. Co-worker looked up her baby sitter's social security number and was fired. She is now fighting criminal charges to stay out of jail. They don't mess around. Are there people who try to pull this stuff? Probably, I have no idea if they are actually successful or not but I would bet most anything I've got that the leak didn't come from the IRS.
And the secrecy from the public, nowhere on the form does it say this is private and confidential and cannot be shared. People hand over their returns all the time to bankers, accountants and news corps if they are pushed into a corner. They sign the jurat and swear and attest under threat of perjury that the return is true and accurate, but secret? Nope.
kywildcat
(582 posts)I work for one of the big 4 in the tax department. We are required to stay on top of provacy requirements and what is public shareable information and what is PII (such as soc, date of birth, and health info or other info that would assist in identifying someone).
The attorneys, accountants and even the IRS-they don't mess around. We don't look up clients that we do not have a DIRECT need to know.
Major Nikon
(36,925 posts)A co-worker's wife worked for the IRS (now retired) and told me IRS workers would do things like record the tag number of someone who cut them off on the way to work and check their taxes to see if they warranted an audit. I have no way of knowing if this was true or not, but it sounded kinda scary at the time.
kywildcat
(582 posts)and before there were means to track in real time who accessed what. Now, the tax returns in one city or district are processed somewhere else (with exceptions for businesses and some other specialized returns).
Logical
(22,457 posts)bluestate10
(10,942 posts)If I happened to have left my tax returns near a copier and someone copied and distributed them, my best recourse would be civil action. But I would have to find the person that leaked them. Good luck with that.
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)Depends on the source. If they came from McCain's people, there's no law broken.
cynatnite
(31,011 posts)I've been told that advisors to candidates often have to sign a confidentiality agreement. Either way, I'm not confident that this is legal or if it's even true for that matter (I really have my doubts).
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)And there would have to be an aggrieved person who is a signatory to the contract.
There is no law saying you (an ordinary person), not an IRS employee) can release someone else's taxes. There is also no law saying you can greet them on the street or, for that matter, give misinformation about them. But there is no law saying you can't. That's the point.
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)DevonRex
(22,541 posts)that Mitt had paid no Federal income tax. Mitt admitted in a debate that for 2 years he had only paid Capital Gains. He exclaimed that he wouldnt have paid any taxes at all for the last 2 years under Newt's plan to do away with the capital gains tax.
His actual earnings are all sheltered somewhere else. That's what Reid has been getting at.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)
leveymg
(36,418 posts)and RMoney is down for the ten count.
nycbiscuit
(46 posts)Why did the estimate of 2011 taxes that Romney released earlier this year differ SO MUCH from the actual return? The estimate released in Jan was for $20.9 million in AGI. The "actual" return is showing $13.7 million. That's a HUGE difference to explain, no? How do you lose $7 million in income?
doublethink
(7,330 posts)And welcome to DU.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)credits from "losses" in 2008 and 2009 which means he paid no taxes those years. Suspiciously during tax amnesty time.
Those credits were clearly carried over on 2010.
nycbiscuit
(46 posts)Credits would affect the tax owed (page 2). I'm talking about the difference in income (page 1).
The only number that's the same is the Taxable Refunds and Credits
Aerows
(39,961 posts)nycbiscuit
(46 posts)I'm not talking about deductions or credits, which are listed separately from income.
Like Taxable interest
Estimate: $4,099,156
Actual: $3,012,775
That's a million dollar difference. Banks or investment accounts send statements every month, so there's no big surprise. Banks don't adjust the interest they pay at the end of the year. Just raises a red flag on that adjustment.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)carry overs.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)He has so many pages in his tax return that you challenging this one the basis of page two is rather ridiculous. But I'll let you continue 
nycbiscuit
(46 posts)I'm talking about page one and page two of his 1040. You don't have to dig deep.
see
http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/rick-newman/2012/09/21/the-mysteries-in-mitt-romneys-tax-return
BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)He paid the billionaire's rate (15% capital gains) on the income he reported. Yeah, it sucks for billionaires to get a special low rate, but that's the law.
The real problem is all the income he has sheltered Enron-style in off-shore corporations and tax haven bank accounts. Most of that won't show up on his personal tax returns.
krawhitham
(5,071 posts)railsback
(1,881 posts)for Mitten's tax returns to be made public without his authorization. So even if the Dems got ahold of Mitten's returns, they would be useless.
Tommy_Carcetti
(44,492 posts)Please!
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)he was in the past - adamantly saying he didn't pay.
librechik
(30,957 posts)hee hee
babsbunny
(8,560 posts)interesting.............
Aerows
(39,961 posts)And they are going to release them one week at a time, one devastating detail at a time. Mitt Romney already looks like he's ready to start taking Xanax, heart medication and enter a secure facility. Look at Ann Romney.
They can't keep up with the tidal wave of bad shit that comes out about them every day right now. Wait until the tax returns hit.
I fully expect Mitt to be showing up in drag at a gay parade for votes, and for Ann Romney to descend into levels of shrillness that would do a meth addict at a British Knighting ceremony blaze out proud.
tjdee
(18,048 posts)If they can't be released without his authorization, what proof can they ever show?
How can the charge ever look like anything other than sour grapes?
Honest question.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)It is enough to know what's in them, and if he's lying.
Drip, drip, drip.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)I have no idea as to the legality of that - but the question in my mind is this:
How can it be legal to publish them, if it's illegal to leak them?
Anyway, I'm sure this story is false. No way McCain would do that (or whoever did it), and no way our side would do that, either.
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)'prior restraint' and Congress shall make no law reflecting the establishment of a free press.
In this scenario, the person doing the leaking would probably be violating some statute or civil code, but the entity publishing the leaked materials would be guilty of nothing (other than arguably bad form).
Major Nikon
(36,925 posts)If an IRS worker or Willard's tax preparer were to leak one or more tax returns, they could face criminal sanctions as well as the person who published them. However, if someone were given the returns by Willard, like say one of McCain's campaign staffers, I don't believe any laws would be broken.
tavalon
(27,985 posts)
Ztolkins
(433 posts)as much as I'd love them out there, it'd be no way to win an election.
Have 'em come out by Romney or an absolutely unrelated party, but not from the democrats. They can win on the issues.
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)Even after Romney released what he did, more questions popped up. Romney made greedy decisions that he will now pay for. Democrats are better to let questions about what Romney really paid and what Romney infested in eat away at Romney. Releasing Romney's tax returns smacks of dirty tricks and could work against democrats.
Romney's tax release was sudden and apparently poorly done. It seems that he is trying more to hide something than he is reacting to the possibility that democrats have his full returns.
Hyper_Eye
(689 posts)It is up to Mitt Romney to release his returns. As much as I hate to take that position, and as much as I think he should release them, this is his private information and it is up to him. If Dems released this information it would be the epitome of dirty politics. They are nobody but Romney's to release. That may not be a popular position here but I feel dirty just thinking about this tactic. The consequences of releasing them may not be what people here believe. It is possible that could backfire big time when you consider the legal implications and the way that disclosure looks. It just isn't the way to go.
defacto7
(14,162 posts)You mean the 10 years we have wanted? It hasn't really been stated... I don't think.????
lexw
(804 posts)emilyg
(22,742 posts)
leftylauren
(51 posts)Is that guy still holed up in the embassy in London? Where is he when you need him
landolfi
(234 posts)to keep poking him with the "he's hiding tax returns" issue anyway? Death by a thousand cuts. It's further support for showing his pervasive evasiveness, his utter fear of being found out for what he really is. As others have pointed out, he's hiding ostensibly taxable $ that wouldn't show up anyway.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Dems know. He must know they know.
But he doesn't know when the house of cards will fall.
Drip, drip, drip.
Tom Rinaldo
(23,187 posts)They are trying to get out ahead of the story by giving his tax returns the best spin they can manage now. The average is a bogus figure because it does not take into account his actual income Romney made for each year. 5% taxes paid on $20 million one year could be averaged against 22% paid on one million earned another year to come up with "an average of 13.5%" for example. Besides, I figure they released "averages" for 20 years BECAUSE if they only released averages for the last 10 years the "average" would be too low.
kentuck
(115,391 posts)I don't know?
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Just the pressure on Romney is enough. Never knowing when that hammer might fall.
Bush had some similar hammers: the DUI, the AWOL, the community service for what is believed to be a drug charge. He rode them out. Can Romney ride this out?
DCBob
(24,689 posts)I doubt they would do it unless it looked like the election was going to be close.
Logical
(22,457 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)It means nothing to me what you think. I have no investment in this. I am merely telling what I was told. If I could tell you who told me, you would surely have a different opinion because the reputation of my friend is without flaw; known Democrat, proven investigative author. But I can't.
So we will see. We may never know if Dems have them. Think what you like.
Logical
(22,457 posts)I really hope it is true!! Exciting for sure!
onenote
(46,134 posts)Are we supposed to believe that this person told you, and you alone, about this? No one else knows? No one else is reporting that the Democrats were given copies of the returns? Just you.
Gonna need more than that to make this a credible story, imo.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Believe what you like. I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. Just sharing a bit of a conversation with a connected person, an insider in the circle of D.C. investigative journos.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)...did your friend give you any indication of what the next step would be?
Do they plan on doing something or sitting on these returns?
Also, is it widely known in DC circles that this is the case? Do most Dems/Republicans/press members understand that those tax returns are in the hands of the Dems and that it's not looking good for Romney?
If you can't say, I understand.
Thanks for giving us the info that you did.
Lightbulb_on
(315 posts)... and some combined stats for the years before.
http://www.mittromney.com/blogs/mitts-view/2012/09/note-trustee-brad-malt
Per the release...
Regarding the newly-filed 2011 Tax Return:
In 2011, the Romneys paid $1,935,708 in taxes on $13,696,951 in mostly investment income.
The Romneys’ effective tax rate for 2011 was 14.1%.
The Romneys donated $4,020,772 to charity in 2011, amounting to nearly 30% of their income.
The Romneys claimed a deduction for $2.25 million of those charitable contributions.
The Romneys’ generous charitable donations in 2011 would have significantly reduced their tax obligation for the year. The Romneys thus limited their deduction of charitable contributions to conform to the Governor's statement in August, based upon the January estimate of income, that he paid at least 13% in income taxes in each of the last 10 years.
Regarding the PWC letter covering the Romneys’ tax filings over 20 years, from 1990 – 2009:
In each year during the entire 20-year period, the Romneys owed both state and federal income taxes.
Over the entire 20-year period, the average annual effective federal tax rate was 20.20%.
Over the entire 20-year period, the lowest annual effective federal personal tax rate was 13.66%.
Over the entire 20-year period, the Romneys gave to charity an average of 13.45% of their adjusted gross income.
Over the entire 20-year period, the total federal and state taxes owed plus the total charitable donations deducted represented 38.49% of total AGI.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Are so complex even God couldn't lift his deductions any higher.
But even still. How dare we question such a man that we are so lucky to have running his own campaign into bankruptcy, his own wife into shrieking at the hardship she is enduring, and a man that tries so hard, he self-tans? He's a self-made up man.
Indpndnt
(2,391 posts)And he just keeps on giving!
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)This sounds like wishful thinking. But I wish....
DisabledAmerican
(452 posts)If they do not use it
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)Or when the Big Media starts campaigning for Willard again. Could be any day now.
sellitman
(11,745 posts)Why kick up a shit storm if President Obama is already kicking his ass?
Running up the score isn't wise.
ryan_cats
(2,061 posts)Isn't that illegal? If I gave you the Mona Lisa I just stole, you would be an accessory after the fact and so are these guys if true.
We just need to keep that drumbeat going, "Release the returns, release the returns." I think it might even be better if he doesn't.
The President can ask in the debate, I've released my returns, your VP has released his, where are yours?
<crickets?
Didn't Nixon get it in the shorts for something like this, it was either him or Agnew and Agnew was forced to resign over tax problems.
Perish the thought but if Rmoney won, it would be awesome to see him busted for tax fraud. While it would be funny, it would also leave Rmoney's little puppy in charge.
femrap
(13,418 posts)Last edited Wed Oct 3, 2012, 10:53 PM - Edit history (1)
$$$$$CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)...don't you?
I think that is how Reid was able to make such confident statements regarding those returns.
Makes you wonder if Reid and the Dems will ever play this card, if they haven't all ready.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)
ryan_cats
(2,061 posts)Yeppers, we'll get them in 24 business hours...
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)There would literally be hundreds of people who know this, but there is no mention of it anywhere in the media. If it were true, it would be the most explosive information to come out in years, but there's no mention anywhere?
My favorite line from the RoboCop movie: I'll buy THAT for a dollar!
onenote
(46,134 posts)Egnever
(21,506 posts)But they cant use them.
aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)One more and we might not even see a debate unless a sub is brought in. Romney has painted himself into a corner with the returns. If it shows that he failed to pay even a small portion of his income in taxes over the last ten years it will now be worse than if he'd revealed this from the start. With this 2011 tax return where he pays more than he's supposed to, it will look like a cover up, a manipulation, an attempt to pull the wool over the eyes of the American people, an attempt to con the people and defraud them. I don't think he'll be able to survive that shit storm, that final nail in the blood-sucking vampire's coffin.
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)The specter of hiding big issues are all over the releases. The interesting issue is that the Accountants that swore to the accuracy of the documents Romney released have legal, criminal liabilities if their swore to a set of lies, knowing the lies existed. Reid doubled down on his claims on Friday after Romney's release. Reid isn't dumb, he has reliable information, possibly from his Bain investor source.
AllyCat
(18,804 posts)RMoney as a candidate, a "business"man, and a person is so corrupt, something has to get Americans to think about him and not vote for him. Or send him to jail. That would also be cool.
Kablooie
(19,103 posts)If he had released them immediately there would have been some sniping and then the issue would fade away into the background.
Now, if they are released, it will be the end of him.
(Or the second end of him since the end has probably already occurred.)
former9thward
(33,424 posts)I'm sure they will be released in "24 business hours".
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Mopar151
(10,348 posts)if they were imported from a memory stick (USB drive) or a CD Rom, it would be logical to make a "working copy" to the hard disc. My hacker buddy sez that there are programs (Norton "Ghost"?) that can see anything that was ever on a hard drive.