AOC didn't use her minute very well

[jpak]

Almost word salad

Very disappointed

[liberal N proud]

1. That was unreal

[Renew Deal]

49. Here it is

2nd the nomination huh? And she's arguing about Kasich. He actually endorsed Biden.

[NurseJackie]

91. I'd be interested in READING a transcript instead of LISTENING to her speak.

Reading is fundamental.

[thesquanderer]

126. Readily available

Google: aoc democratic convention speech transcript

and pick the source you like. (The video above is also closed-captioned, btw.)

[NurseJackie]

128. Thanks.

I do rely a lot on closed captioning. The voice-to-text automatic closed captioning that many services use can be a bit clunky, but better than nothing. Sometimes the mistakes and misunderstood words can be amusing, though.

[JI7]

2. maybe she was nervous

[Amishman]

25. Seemed like nerves to me as well

Have to remember she is still pretty new to the spotlight, especially with a major event like this.

[NurseJackie]

90. It was pre-recorded, right?

[Mossfern]

3. I was too pissed off

to hear anything she said.

[Cha]

6. Why were you pissed off if you don't mind

telling us?

[Mossfern]

11. I thought that there was not going to be any other candidates

I was surprised and dismayed.
I was naive.

[Cha]

21. I hear ya, Mossfern.

[liskddksil]

34. Umm this is a formal nominating convention

and the culmination of an almost 2 year process that included over 20 fantastic Democrats. Sorry that hurts your feelings that some other candidates earned their own delegates.

[Mossfern]

39. No need to be snarky

[Mariana]

51. In 2008, Hillary Clinton's name was put up

even though there was no question that Barack Obama was going to be nominated.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/14/clinton/

This is not a new thing.

[Demsrule86]

57. But she suspended and asked for unanimous consent. So that is not really true.

I would have liked to see something similar. But when all is said and done Sen. Sanders has been quite supportive of Joe Biden.

[tblue37]

83. It's procedurally required, and she was asked by the DNC to do it. She did endorse Biden at another

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time.

[MrsCoffee]

96. The DMV has some tough requirements these days.

[tblue37]

122. LOL! Autocorrect got me again. nt

[MrsCoffee]

136. Heheheh.

[lunatica]

66. The Convention itself has always been

specifically to pick out and nominate the Person who the party itself will back completely. This time the winner was obvious from months ago. The delegates actually vote for the person they support. In the past there was no way of knowing who got the majority of the state delegates so it was decided during the conventions by voting. Many times there would be a lot of fighting and votes would be recounted.

By the past I’m talking about pre electronics, television or accurate polls. But the conventions serve a purpose. They formalize the person who gets nominated. It makes Joe Biden officially nominated by his party.

It’s kind of a necessary formality now. The DNC now supports Biden 100%. So the Democratic Party itself is behind Biden. Not just us.

[George II]

67. There were originally 24 candidates. Biden clinched the nomination sometime in April....

Going into tonight there should have been one candidate nominated. At least this:

[Mossfern]

124. That is CLASS!!

Putting unity of the Party, and the Country first.

[NurseJackie]

129. Class. Dignity. --- Now THAT is the way to do it.

I love Hillary so much. One of my favorite traits of Hillary's is that she has never been petty. She puts party first. She puts country first. She's all about the UNITY and NEVER about her own vanity and ego. Never about petty squabbles or revenge. That's why she'll always be a winner in my eyes.

Other politicians can learn a lot from the example she sets and from trying to emulate her high standards.

[lapucelle]

4. Was that it? N/T

[still_one]

5. She did fine

[rockfordfile]

69. I agree

[lagomorph777]

127. I don't get the OP's complaint. She gives a clear, cogent speech acknowledging Bernie's

supporters and contributions to the fabric of the Party.

She also handles the business she was asked to handle: formally putting forward Bernie as a nominee (not THE nominee).

What's the issue?

[mahina]

135. Agreed. She lifted my heart actually.

[jimlup]

7. I don't think that was her minute...

[cayugafalls]

8. Was she one of the delegates that was set to vote for Bernie?

If so, that makes sense that she would end it that way.

It does not matter, Joe Biden will win the nomination so it was just show and nothing else.

[Cha]

9. What was said.. TY jpak.

[jorgevlorgan]

17. She was a delegate who officially nominated sanders for consideration

Her and the UAW's member did that. All she did was speak to Sanders' ampaign and nominate sanders. I think the OP is under the impression she was supposed to speak about Biden, but that wasn't her job at the convention.

[herding cats]

22. It was said this was what she was going to do.

It wasn't a surprise. Her minute was spent seconding the nomination of Bernie Sanders.

I'd read many times it was going to be spent supporting him so assumed she was the second, and I knew the UAE person would do as he did. His union wasn't thrilled, but shit happens and we move on.

Biden won handily. We need to focus on November 3rd.

#Biden2020

[jorgevlorgan]

23. They both gave great speeches

And at least AOC knows how important it is to elect Biden. I'm sure the same stands for the UAW former prez

[herding cats]

27. Former president Of the UAW, not current.

[Cha]

35. that's What I told him.. Mahalo, Cats!

[herding cats]

44. Yeah, the UAW wasn't happy in the least about this.

Literally, their displeasure is why I knew about this beforehand. They wanted to distance themselves from this tonight.

[Cha]

46. I'm on the exact same page.. UAW Endorsed Joe Biden..

That's how I knew, too.

[herding cats]

47. They tried to dissuade him from doing this tonight, too.

He did it anyways.

Anyway, it's over and done. Time to move on and support Biden/Harris in November!!

[Cha]

52. Thank Goodness!

What a journey we've had, no?! lol On to the next phase..

Link to tweet

[herding cats]

54. I'm fired up!!

Vote Trump out!!!

[Demsrule86]

58. and ready to go...vote Trump out.

[herding cats]

60. If we vote, we win.

We need to vote at historic levels!

I'm voting in person, early here. My vote will be counted.

[Cha]

28. Roy Gamble is the "UAW's President.. Did he speak?

[jorgevlorgan]

31. Former president*

Was the one who spoke

[Cha]

33. Exactly.. The UAW Endorsed Joe Biden! Did you edit your

post? I could have sworn you originally wrote "the president of UAW.."

[jorgevlorgan]

36. Yeah. I heard "president," so fixed it when you corrected me

[Cha]

38. Thank you.

[jorgevlorgan]

41. Welcome!

[lapucelle]

40. She didn't do the nomination. She seconded it. N/T

[jorgevlorgan]

85. True

Or gave a "nominating speech." Same difference. They call it "nominating" but obviously she was not declaring him the nominee, which seems to have been the major confusion. It was just done in the style of a floor nomination where people are nominated, and then they are seconded for nomination, and then there are votes -which in this case were the roll call states.

[OrwellwasRight]

77. Yes, she did what she was supposed to do.

This was no surprise to anyone who was running the convention. This is how conventions go. I’ve been watching them for decades.

[jorgevlorgan]

86. Yep!

Thank you!

[Voltaire2]

93. lulzd

please refer to previous lulzd

[Celerity]

29. Your very first 2 posts, both slagging off an elected Democratic member of the House.

Welcome to DU again.

[liskddksil]

37. who pissed in your Wheaties today? Nt

[luv2fly]

12. AOC was fine

She used her time to say what she wanted to say. We support free speech, remember?

[melman]

13. She was great

[jpak]

19. I expected more

Her second for Bernie was OK with me, but no criticism of Trump?

She needed an economy of words.

[demmiblue]

14. Good lawd... it was a perfectly fine response.

Loving all the state videos.

[Lotusflower70]

15. Hmmm

There was a good message in there but will get overshadowed by the ending. Oh well.

[SlogginThroughIt]

16. Ummmm we all thought she was great

And I have been critical of her at times

[jorgevlorgan]

18. She was wonderful

She spoke to the type of campaign Sanders ran, and nominated him. Which is what her job was. It was a really great speech, in my opinion.

[Loki Liesmith]

20. Not a fan but she seemed fine to me.

[Music Man]

24. Her remarks were great. Did we all watch the same thing?

As others have pointed out, she was seconding the nomination. Sanders won delegates during the primaries, and that manifests itself at the convention. This is how conventions always work. Get a grip, folks.

[nsd]

26. It wasn't really *her* minute.

She was invited to second the Bernie Sanders nomination. So that's what she did. I don't see any problem with that.

[Celerity]

32. the faux angst from some is telling

sigh

[USALiberal]

30. FFS.....really? nt

[Mariana]

43. Sad to see right-wing talking points here, especially during the convention. nt.

[jpak]

53. Umm... I caucused for Bernie Sanders in 2016

And voted for Bernie in this year's Maine primary.

Given AOC's ability to post devastating Tweets, I expected more from her.

Don't like that?

Too bad

[USALiberal]

55. Lol, nt!

[jpak]

56. What's so funny?

[betsuni]

61. I remember you as a strong Bernie/AOC supporter.

But there's a rule that because Republicans demonize AOC, anybody at all who has the smallest critical comment about her is a Republican right-winger. Of course this rule doesn't apply to Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton, Kamala Harris or Elizabeth Warren, etc.

It's silly.

[jpak]

68. Thank you

[RussBLib]

42. She did fine

Didn't realize she would be seconding Bernie's nomination, but it's poetic, considering her history with Bernie.

Everybody chill.

[renate]

45. I didn't notice anything bad at all! Not even nerves

It’s news to me that there was even anything to discuss!

[liskddksil]

50. AOC haters are out in full force here

they are mad that she had the nerve to run for office and not wait her turn and that her squad will have more in the ranks come January.

[OrwellwasRight]

78. Typical.

Not a surprise.

[Mariana]

134. I thought they might give it a rest for a while

after all the gleeful predictions that she would lose her primary didn't come true.

[unitedwethrive]

48. It was perfect. Didn't give the repubs anything to use against us, and did the job required.

I don't see a problem.

[jcgoldie]

59. There was nothing in her speech even remotely resembling "word salad."

This seems disingenuous.

[liskddksil]

65. They are intent on trashing her for anything

because they can't stand that she didn't wait her turn

[jalan48]

62. Smart and Classy.

[myohmy2]

63. 1 minute 41 seconds...

...makes me unhappy...

...our future deserves better...

[George II]

64. You mean almost two minutes?

[R B Garr]

72. Yeah. Makes you wonder why she didn't just tweet

that she was nominating Bernie instead of implying she was being given short shrift.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

76. She never implied that.

Stop putting intent on her words that isn't there.

[R B Garr]

80. Ah, I was recalling a thread here about her tweet that

had more discussion about her one minute. Now we see that she was going to nominate Bernie, which wasn’t in her original tweet. Sorry I wasn’t more clear.

[fescuerescue]

70. She had a lot of ground to cover

when she accepts the nomination for President in 2028, she'll get much more than 60 seconds.

[BannonsLiver]

71. Pfft

[Codeine]

75. Oh good grief. nt

[OrwellwasRight]

79. Her role was literally to second the Sanders endorsement.

Had they given her more than one minute she may have had time to mention Biden. But she fulfilled the roll they gave her.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

81. Ok Sorry I just have a bad taste about her because she introduced a

bill to force FEMA to honor their charter and commit to helping Covid victim's families pay for their loved one's burials. FEMA got $45b under Care Act. Trump told them not to release $$.

That was in May. The bill got relegated to committee. I have written her dozens upon dozens of times - What's the status? Nothing.

[OrwellwasRight]

82. You know that whether bills move is up to

The committee chairs and the Speaker, right? One member literally has no control over what happens after they introduce a bill. Why not be mad at Pelosi? Or Trump, better yet?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

88. No worries, I am. This is such a cruel thing trump has

Done. And no one talking about it.

[Mariana]

106. It's truly amazing how far some people will reach

to find some kind of excuse to denigrate Rep. Ocasio-Cortez.

[kentuck]

74. It didn't seem that bad to me?

I thought she made a good summation of much of the progressive agenda. She should have had more time to elaborate on the progressive solutions, in my opinion. It would have been good for our nation.

[burrowowl]

84. She nominated Sanders, it is a formality

Just like Delaware passing then nominating favorite son Biden at the end. And Carvil is an Arse!

[betsuni]

87. ABC Nightline described AOC's set with the flags where she spoke as "real establishment."

The former union president guy was almost comic, the way if you're told to be more energetic in front of the camera you overdo it. And he used the usual: moral clarity, grassroots, movement, transformational, working class.

AOC used "movement" and "grassroots" but regular words for most of her speech, not slogans. It was a speech by a politician. That's politics! Real establishment.

ABC also repeated the "she only had a minute" thing as if everybody else didn't also have a minute, although they clarified it was 90 seconds, not a minute.

[jcmaine72]

89. I disagree. nt

[Voltaire2]

92. Have you ever liked anything she has said or done?

Just asking for a friend.

[jpak]

94. All the time

Thanks for the ignorant insult

[Voltaire2]

97. do you have an example of you praising AOC?

[jpak]

98. I've been a DU member since 2002 and do not answer to you

Or your asshole "friend "

Nope

[Voltaire2]

99. so that would be "nope".

Thanks!

[jpak]

101. Here ya go

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=2545989

And your friend can go fuck him or herself.

lol

[Voltaire2]

102. So the best example you can come up with is:

"Yeah Yoho is a Yahoo

No autocorrect needed".

OK. Fair enough. I stand corrected, you don't always side with everyone attacking AOC.

[demmiblue]

117. Lol!

So bizarre. Also, the word salad comment is, well, just as bizarre.

[Voltaire2]

119. the other message not so funny and quite clear

[Autumn]

95. She used it quite well. I'm sure hers was better than any Republicans.

[R B Garr]

100. Didn't the Republicans actually endorse Joe Biden,

the actual nominee? Maybe that’s not the best comparison in this case.

[Voltaire2]

103. It was the second nomination speech for Sanders.

So of course it wasn't endorsing Biden. AOC has endorsed Biden, just not while nominating somebody else, as that would be inappropriate.

[R B Garr]

108. Exactly. She was endorsing Bernie, so there was no need

to distract.

[Autumn]

105. Yes they did. And so did AOC. Maybe you should actually find that out before complaining she didn't.

[R B Garr]

107. I thought this was about her minute and how she spent it

endorsing Bernie. The Republicans spent their screen time endorsing Joe Biden. Wasn’t her one minute screen time spent endorsing Bernie?

Of course I’m glad to see her separate tweet about Joe, but that’s not what was on the teevees. That’s all I meant about the Republicans actually endorsing our nominee, Joe Biden, hence the comment about the comparison.

[Voltaire2]

109. She was selected by Sanders to do the second nomination

That was why she was speaking, why she had even the 90 seconds she had. You continue to phrase this as 'she chose to endorse Sanders instead of Biden'.

She endorsed Biden. Not in the nomination speech for Sanders. Endorsing Biden while nominating Sanders would be ridiculous.

Just about every convention with a contested primary has had multiple candidates nominated during the convention, with each such nomination accompanied by two nominating speeches, none of which typically endorse another candidate.

It is a ritual, a performance, a celebration of democracy. It is a good thing that we should respect and celebrate instead of seeking desperately to find fault where there is none.

[R B Garr]

111. This is just another distraction, and I don't agree with

your summary of what I said.

There is a history of tweets from lots of people about her appearance, including AOC, and all along it was about endorsing Bernie Sanders. It would have been easy enough to mention that.

[Voltaire2]

120. lulzd

AOC angst is perplexing.

[R B Garr]

123. Talking about other people is also a distraction, lulz.

[Voltaire2]

139. Your objection is with the standard convention process.

[R B Garr]

140. Wrong again -- but yet another distraction.

[Autumn]

112. It was. And YOU brought up the lie that AOC didn't endorse Biden, I pointed out she did.

If you read the article, the tweet or whatever YOU would know she was there at the DNC's request to second Bernie nomination. You're welcome.

[R B Garr]

113. In her 1-minute TV speech, she spent it endorsing Bernie.

So thanks for confirming what we all saw and heard. I’m glad she also tweeted about Joe.

[Autumn]

114. That's what she was there for. To talk about Bernie and second his nomination. nt

[R B Garr]

115. Exactly. So clearing that up via tweets earlier on

might saved some confusion. I think I saw a thread about her tweets with NBC, among others...? Not sure, since I’m not in Twitter and I guess there are lots of subthreads.

[Autumn]

116. Many of us were not confused. You don't have to be on Twitter to read tweets. nt

[R B Garr]

118. The comments in the tweets indicate otherwise about

the confusion. I read the comments on this website in her tweet that was posted here a few days ago.

I just saw on Yahoo that there was confusion with NBC, a major network, so the confusion isn’t really confined to certain audiences. The bottom line is that she endorsed Bernie...a simple explanation that explains everything.

[Autumn]

130. The bottom line is, she did endorse Bernie and she endorsed Biden. NBC did a dirty

trick to confuse weak minded voters and of course those who hate AOC.

[R B Garr]

132. The comments in the tweet thread don't support thus, though.

The Twitter thread about her one minute comments. There were responses from her supporters.

[Autumn]

137. Then you aren't reading her comments and NBC's shitty explanation.

You can either google it and do research or not, I don't care. Think what you want.

[R B Garr]

138. I must have missed her tweet where she said she was

nominating Bernie, which would have ended the confusion for her supporters (on Twitter). There was even speculation here last night that she had another minute in the line-up, since her first supposed minute was a nomination.

Were there names in the NBC tweet to identify who pulled the dirty trick? I didn’t realize all that was going on with NBC.

[BigDemVoter]

110. She was so eloquent when she challenged Representative Yoho. . . .

I wonder what happened?

[JonLP24]

121. People will find anything to find fault

While I object Colin Powell over little things like the Iraq war and My Lai Massacre.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez accuses NBC of spreading misinformation after DNC speech

Congresswoman says NBC tweet about her endorsement of Bernie Sanders ‘sparked an enormous amount of hatred’

Tom McCarthy in New York

Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez accused NBC News of spreading an “incredible amount of damage and misinformation” overnight on Tuesday after the network construed a routine procedural speech by her as a snub of the Democratic presidential nominee, Joe Biden.

Speaking on the second night of the Democratic national convention (DNC), Ocasio-Cortez was assigned to second the nomination of Senator Bernie Sanders as president. Sanders ended his presidential bid and endorsed Biden last spring, but he was in line for a formal nomination as part of the process of transferring his delegates to Biden.

Ocasio-Cortez had originally endorsed Sanders for president during the primary season before switching her support to Biden.

“In a time when millions of people in the United States are looking for deep systemic solutions to our crises of mass evictions, unemployment and lack of healthcare,” Ocasio-Cortez said in a short speech on Tuesday, “en ​espíritu del pueblo​ and out of a love for all people, I hereby second the nomination of Senator Bernard Sanders of Vermont for president of the United States of America.”

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/19/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-accuses-nbc-spreading-misinformation-dnc-speech

[ellie]

125. I thought she did great

[DenverJared]

131. Considering all the hype about her

I expected something a lot better.

I think Connor Lamb was excellent.

[LanternWaste]

133. In our culture of format and branding over content

In our culture of format and branding over content, its no surprise her valid and articulate message is lost on those who desire media glitz and technicolor gilding.

Very Disappointing, part II.