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I think people were confused because she wasn't clear about what her speaking role would actually be when she tweeted about only being given one minute to speak. Some may have assumed that she was invited to address the convention tonight like Stacy Abrams and Sally Yates.
It appears that AOC was personally asked by one of the candidates to second his nomination, and the nominating and seconding speeches were all brief. The tempest in a teapot was over nothing.
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Celerity
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nycbos
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lapucelle
(21,061 posts)Last edited Wed Aug 19, 2020, 12:10 AM - Edit history (1)
must have felt when he asked her to nominate him.
That was the highlight of the night.
Cha
(319,076 posts)lapucelle
(21,061 posts)Cha
(319,076 posts)Joe talked about her during the primary?
I love Jacquelyn Brittany !❤️❤️❤️
Cha
(319,076 posts)Mahalo, my friend!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cha
(319,076 posts)
MFGsunny
(2,356 posts)liskddksil
(2,753 posts)passive aggressive.
Cha
(319,076 posts)is going on.
SiliconValley_Dem
(1,656 posts)Demsrule86
(71,542 posts) George II
(67,782 posts)Cha
(319,076 posts)that were wondering if this were "the minute" or not.
So this was it?
walkingman
(10,864 posts)message and also young people. I also think there should be more of a Hispanic presence - the largest voting block in America. To me both seems to have been shorted a bit.
IMO, those two groups are very important in November.
liskddksil
(2,753 posts)
Skittles
(171,713 posts)WT*F* is up with that 
George II
(67,782 posts)....so far is getting mostly rave reviews from the media and most Democrats.
I think the people running the convention know what they're doing and have a great mix of speakers and videos. Amazing job considering the circumstances.
walkingman
(10,864 posts)Average age of a Republican voter is 60 and the average age of a Democratic voter is 46 so it is in our interest to speak directly to the people that represent us at the ballot box. It is fine to appease the moderates but I would argue that we are not a party of moderates since the pendulum has moved so far to the right in the last 40 years.
I'm 69 and most of the people that I once knew that claimed to be "yellow dog" Dems have either died or have become braindead religious nuts (hoping to live forever) or turned conservative in their old age. The youth are our future and it is in our interest to represent them.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)
hlthe2b
(113,971 posts)first segment that included all kinds of people across the country and Stacy Abrams made an appearance as well. I was cooking and glancing at the tv, but I swore I saw her do one of those segments. No?
lapucelle
(21,061 posts)featuring rising young leaders. AOC wasn't in it.
arthritisR_US
(7,810 posts)announcing their candidate only each get one minute was no slight on her but just protocol.
R B Garr
(17,984 posts)nominating Bernie.
Cuthbert Allgood
(5,339 posts)She said she was going to make the most of her minute.
arthritisR_US
(7,810 posts)him and that those speeches are all one minute in length no matter the candidate. She knows how to play the media and did it here.
Cuthbert Allgood
(5,339 posts)She wrote a poem about her speech.
Link to tweet
Seems to me like she was pretty excited about it. Stop putting intent on her that isn't there. And she has no obligation to tell us she was nominating Sanders--keeping some level of surprise isn't a bad thing.
lapucelle
(21,061 posts)Cuthbert Allgood
(5,339 posts)She attributes it in the tweet, so I get that.
betsuni
(29,078 posts)didn't also have a minute? Media sure became obsessed with it.
R B Garr
(17,984 posts)about one minute, sixty seconds in it. I’m phone typing so can’t link. She could have just said she was nominating Bernie. That would explain it all.
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Cuthbert Allgood
(5,339 posts)still_one
(98,883 posts)that she was there to second the nomination of Bernie Sanders. When you nominate or second the nomination of someone, you are not there to give a huge speech, and everyone involved in the nominating process was given the same amount of time.
She tweeted that poem out on August 12, and created quite a rumble on social media that she was being treated "unfairly", which was not the case, and as far as I am aware, she didn't try to correct that false impression, and there is no way she was not aware that a lot of people didn't understand the context of what her purpose was at the Convention, and she saw no need to correct that false impression.
If she wanted to give a keynote address at the Convention, she should have been direct and spelled it out where she thought her role at the Convention should be, instead of an ambiguous tweet indicating that she was giving a short amount of time without context. That short amount of time was only for the nominating process. If she want more then she should have spelled it out. She may not have been afforded that, but at least what she wanted would have been clear.
Yang spoke out without ambiguity, and he will be speaking tonight tonight I believe
lapucelle
(21,061 posts)betsuni
(29,078 posts)in her tweet instead of posting the limerick which gave people the wrong idea.
Like a haiku:
All have a minute
To nominate candidates
Mine: Bernie Sanders
R B Garr
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R B Garr
(17,984 posts)to Businessinsider. You are correct about that whole sequence and your observation. Thanks! 👍
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)She was responding to a tweet that said it was only a minute with the poem.
Mariana
(15,626 posts)It literally includes the original tweet by Tina Sfondeles that AOC was responding to with Dr. May's poem, and yet all these critics are pretending they don't see it.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)Ignoring it because it doesn’t fit their narrative.
Cuthbert Allgood
(5,339 posts)Cha
(319,076 posts)have anything important to talk about.
betsuni
(29,078 posts)Don't say Trump is dangerous because people in the Heartland don't like it. They take him seriously but not literally.
Biden must convince people he can be a leader.
Biden is staying inside too much.
Show us more of the real Joe Biden.
The message can't be only what you're against.
Not enough about policy.
Not enough diversity.
Jimmy Carter was president a million years ago, what's he doing there?
The opening segment with newly elected Democrats looked like a Verizon commercial.
The Jill and Joe story was too nostalgic. That old music!
Is being a normal human being like Joe and Jill a good thing?
So depressing. Must stop listening to these idiots.
Cha
(319,076 posts)Stupid.
I imagine during the trump hate-fest convention they'll be all.. trump is speaking to his base... he really puts on a show. So what he's a fucking traitor to his country? So what he's Putin's Puppet? He has such a blowhard ASSFACE.. but his people love him.
WTHH happened to PBS? Have they been hiding under a huge rock during the last 4 years?
The Message is this, PBS.. you're not running the show.
Link to tweet
Well, that triggered me.
still_one
(98,883 posts)Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)We are expanding the big tent.
Mariana
(15,626 posts)Tine Sfondeles's tweet said: "AOC will have just 60 seconds to deliver her remarks next week at the Democratic National Convention"
Rep. Ocasio-Cortez responded by quoting Dr. Mays's poem.
still_one
(98,883 posts)for a keynote address
Rep Ocasio-Cortez really demonstrated her lack of maturity in my opinion by making an issue of only being given a short period time to second a nomination
liskddksil
(2,753 posts)Cha
(319,076 posts)OP. They don't care about their country or the Planet?
still_one
(98,883 posts)what the context of her speaking role entailed
Just observing how upset some people were on various social mediums, because she neglected to identify what her speaking role entailed
Cha
(319,076 posts) still_one
(98,883 posts)Link to tweet
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It was to second the nomination of Bernie Sanders. Everyone involved in nominating Biden or Sanders to a very brief time to do it. People involved in the nomination process are not there to give long speeches
Those trying to compare that with the time given to some republicans, it is an invalid comparison
The purpose of those republicans wasn't for the Democrats, but part of a political strategy that perhaps they could influence republicans and independents in important states, such as Ohio to vote for Biden
Mariana
(15,626 posts)It was Tina Sfondeles who made noise about AOC getting "just 60 seconds" to speak.
arthritisR_US
(7,810 posts)evidenced by the chap before her and all others that followed. She knew this before and decided to make it into a phoney media matter.
still_one
(98,883 posts)and was so unecessary
Sanders presentation yesterday was excellent, and it is quite unfortunate that followers on social media are so ready to jump without a full understanding of the situation
arthritisR_US
(7,810 posts)have given clarification of what her role was and the standard time limits but she decided otherwise.
still_one
(98,883 posts)"endorsement" about Joe Biden
That has nothing to do with what she was unhappy about on August 12, and that was being given such a short time to speak, conveniently leaving out that her part was simply to second the nomination of Bernie Sanders. Not for a speech
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arthritisR_US
(7,810 posts)still_one
(98,883 posts)time to speak, and conveniently leaving out that speaking opportunity was to "second the nomination" of a candidate
The tweet was intentionally misleading, and led to a lot of unhappiness among some on social media how unfair she was being treated
So I ask you, was neglecting to mention that it was to second the nomination of a candidate, intentionally misleading? That action itself created a lot division by neglecting to mention that small detail
liskddksil
(2,753 posts)still_one
(98,883 posts)Link to tweet
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That was back on August 12, and even if the media somehow distorted the context of that tweet, there was immediate unhappiness about the short time, and not the context of what her remarks were intended for, which was to second the nomination of Bernie Sanders, she had plenty of time to correct the record
liskddksil
(2,753 posts)given the amount of time that anti-choice Republicans like John Kasich had, she would have expanded on her remarks.
still_one
(98,883 posts)all those involved in nominating the respective candidates were ALL given a brief amount of time to do it. Long speeches are NOT given during the nominating process.
Comparing that with what Kasich was there for is like comparing apples and oranges
It is a false narrative.
Kasich wasn't there for Democrats, he was part of a political strategy that he might be able to motivate republicans and independents in Ohio to vote for Biden. If we win Ohio, the election is over
Mariana
(15,626 posts)lapucelle
(21,061 posts)What is divisive is stoking outrage on social media by misrepresenting a situation.
Business Insider tweeted a misleading headline that implied that the DNC had invited AOC to "give remarks", but were limiting her time to one minute.
Business Insider baited her supporters with red meat. Unfortunately, some of them took the bait and amplified the manufactured controversy.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Unless of course, you have objective evidence otherwise and can provide the specific measure upon which that evidence is weighed.
Trumpocalypse
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fescuerescue
(4,475 posts)Or since it's virtual anyway, just extended it enough to have an additional keynote.
still_one
(98,883 posts)keynote position. I know Yang was unhappy that he wasn't given the opportunity to speak, and he lobbied for it, and got it. Tonight I believe he will be addressing the Convention.
The issue I am talking about is she tweeted that she was only given a short amount of time to speak, without context. That short amount of time was to second the nomination of Bernie Sanders, not for a keynote speech, and she should have done what Yang did, directly address what she thought her role should be at the Convention, instead of just tweeting out a poem without context. That was done on August 12.
Most didn't realize that the time she was given was to second the nomination. If she wanted more of a role, she should have been more direct.
The most obvious way would be something like, "I represent the progressive wing of the party, and should be given a spot to present those views before the Convention"
There would not have been any ambiguity where she wanted her role to be in the Convention with something like that.
Rhiannon12866
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Awsi Dooger
(14,565 posts)Are we really that incompetent at assessing situational variables? I knew about the 1 minute and assumed it was a blurb speech. But once Sanders was being nominated and they named Ocasio-Cortez as seconding I said to myself...okay that's her one minute.
The greater problem is not enough Hispanic emphasis. That demographic is not automatic and we are going to lose a surprising share if we don't get our act together. As I've emphasized for years Hispanics are always strangely loyal to a presidential incumbent.
radius777
(3,921 posts)The whole thing was weird and confusing and did a disservice to her.
Like it or not she is a rising star who is an icon for progressives and many young people.
She receives a weird hatred from the media and others due to her identity as a strong WoC - less due to her ideology.
fescuerescue
(4,475 posts)Given that she will be running the whole thing in just a few more election cycles.
Whoever cut her short will be regretting that silly decision.
still_one
(98,883 posts)speculation that "she will be running the whole thing in just a few more election cycles"... Until she is able to win a statewide election, that is Governor or Senator, that remains to be seen
fescuerescue
(4,475 posts)The 2008 race was unique in that it was Senator vs Senator so a Senator HAD to win.
Only three in all history have gone directly from the Senate to the Whitehouse (Obama, Kennedy and Harding)
you are correct of course. Time will tell.
still_one
(98,883 posts)election. That would go a long way to demonstrating it.
I am not saying it cannot be done, that is coming from the House to the Presidency, but in my view, unless someone can demonstrate they can win a whole state election, like Governor, I think it is a much more difficult path
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)happened, but I don't remember it.
fescuerescue
(4,475 posts)I just googled it and apparently only James Garfield has gone directly from the House to Whitehouse.
I have to say I learned something today. So only FOUR candidates in all history has gone from Congress directly to the Whitehouse. Harding, Garfield, Kennedy and Obama.
Thanks for pointing that out about the House.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)Congress-woman. Secondly, she is not helpful to us in areas where we need to win Senate seats. She is wildly popular in New York and Progressive areas...Michigan, Ohio and Wisconsin-not so much. In order to win, we have always needed a big tent...and I am talking Congress and the Senate as well as the presidency..we will have moderates in the Senate if we are successful this year and we already have them in the House-it is how we won back the House.
Given the makeup of the Senate and the House (if we are lucky enough to take the Senate), we will move to the middle. But we can move some of our policy forward and that is really what matters. I long for a day when an AOC type Democrat can win in the South and/or the Mid West in a statewide race. We must win hearts and minds. Until that happens, we must nominate Democrats based on if they can win...as Howard Dean did with the 50 state strategy. We move forward only when we win elections.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)First, she's a freshman House Member. And she got more time than just about any freshman Member, so she already was ahead of the game.
She gave a nominating speech - a much more prominent role than many other people had. In fact, she spoke longer than the person who nominated Biden. So there's that ...
It seems that her time speaking this year is being measured against the times people had in previous conventions But this year, very few people spoke for more than a minute or two.
George II
(67,782 posts)Cha
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