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kpete

(72,022 posts)
Wed Aug 19, 2020, 12:10 PM Aug 2020

The pee tape is probably real.

NYT: G.O.P.-Led Senate Panel Details Ties Between 2016 Trump Campaign and Russia:

The report also raised the possibility that, during that trip, Mr. Trump spent the night with two young women who joined him the next morning at a business meeting with the mayor of Moscow.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/18/us/politics/senate-intelligence-russian-interference-report.html

Guardian: US Senate report goes beyond Mueller to lay bare Trump campaign's Russia links:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/18/donald-trump-us-senate-report-russia-campaign

The committee is dismissive of the dossier by the ex-MI6 officer Christopher Steele, which alleged that the Kremlin had been cultivating Donald Trump for at least five years, but stops short of offering an opinion on whether the allegations within it are true. That dossier contained an allegation that Russia spied on Trump during a visit to Moscow in November 2013 and filmed him in his private suite at the Ritz-Carlton hotel with two prostitutes. Trump strenuously denies the claim.

However, the Senate report offers the most compelling account yet of what went on inside the hotel. It alleges that a suspected Russian intelligence officer is stationed permanently in the building and presides over a “network” of security cameras, some of them hidden inside guest rooms. The officer’s agency is redacted, but is likely to be the FSB, the spy agency Vladimir Putin headed, in charge of counter-intelligence.


The report says: “The committee found that the Ritz Carlton in Moscow is a high counterintelligence risk environment. The committee assesses that the hotel likely has at least one permanent Russian intelligence officer on staff, government surveillance of guests’ rooms, and the regular presence of a large number of prostitutes, likely with at least the tacit approval of Russian authorities.


It adds: “According to two former employees of the Ritz Carlton in Moscow, in 2013 there was at least one [redacted] officer permanently stationed at the hotel. This non-uniformed officer was believed to be a [redacted] and had access to the hotel’s property management system, guest portfolios and notations, as well as the network of “hundreds” of security cameras at the hotel.


“The [redacted] was believed to be able to monitor the camera feeds from his office.”


The committee, which spent three years taking evidence for its report, also examined previous trips by Trump to Russia. It says that during a 1996 visit, Trump attended a party for a group of American investors at the Baltschug Kempinski hotel. The party was arranged by David Geovanis, a Moscow-based businessman who the report says has links to the Russian security services.


The report notes: “In some circles of the US expatriate business community in Moscow, it has been common for visiting businessmen to be taken to nightclubs or parties where prostitutes are present. It is likely that Russian security or intelligence services capitalize on those opportunities to collect information.


“During the 1990s and into the 2000s, David Geovanis developed a reputation in Moscow, in part as a host for visiting businessmen.”


It goes on to say that Trump “may have begun a brief relationship with a Russian woman” he met at the Geovanis party. Her name is blacked out. One source of the information is Theodore Liebman, an architect who lived in Moscow and New York in the 1990s, and who travelled to Russia with Trump to the event. Geovanis has spoken to journalists and is reluctant to visit the US, the committee notes.


Scott Horton, a lecturer at Columbia law school, said on Tuesday the Senate committee’s report “confirms nearly everything” about Trump’s ties to Moscow. He said it vindicated claims by the Democrats and others that the campaign had indeed colluded with the Russians – something Trump has vehemently denied.


“The committee offers a much deeper view into the intelligence collected by US authorities than does the much sketchier Mueller report. It will support the view that Mueller, far from exonerating Trump, simply expected to pass the baton to Congress to conduct deeper inquiries.”

https://www.eschatonblog.com/2020/08/americas-worst-humans_19.html#comment-5036745323
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The pee tape is probably real. (Original Post) kpete Aug 2020 OP
Kick dalton99a Aug 2020 #1
There really is a pee tape. Gothmog Aug 2020 #10
Michael Cohen talked about it happening in Vegas in his preface. As if he was in the room. Squinch Aug 2020 #2
Cohen said "I was there for it all" (or close to those words) and mentioned Golden Showers. lagomorph777 Aug 2020 #52
I've always believed so. cilla4progress Aug 2020 #3
Crone intuition. MontanaMama Aug 2020 #18
Amirite? cilla4progress Aug 2020 #37
I'm 56... MontanaMama Aug 2020 #62
I always thought it was very likely PatSeg Aug 2020 #28
During one interview on Scarsdale Aug 2020 #39
All anyone has to do PatSeg Aug 2020 #43
Well said, hear, hear! cilla4progress Aug 2020 #54
Thank you PatSeg Aug 2020 #59
Cheers for my sister Crone! And her intuition! niyad Aug 2020 #44
... cilla4progress Aug 2020 #55
I am still reading the report but at one point early on Bev54 Aug 2020 #47
My wife is a crone Ohioboy Aug 2020 #74
Excellent. Agree: It's probably difficult to corroborate a single piece of Mike 03 Aug 2020 #4
There may be a pee tape, and there may be russian prostitutes. But that's not the good tape putin BComplex Aug 2020 #5
In the end it is about money. denem Aug 2020 #11
Most likely, it's direct proof of Trump's money laundering for the Russia mafia. Lonestarblue Aug 2020 #24
Really good point: If the CIA knew of this and did nothing it put the US in this precarious place. erronis Aug 2020 #34
it's about the Deutsche Bank loans azureblue Aug 2020 #72
Some think the "p" is for pedophile. OMGWTF Aug 2020 #48
He's proven that over and over. BComplex Aug 2020 #49
That's exactly what it is. ZZenith Aug 2020 #67
With trump Turbineguy Aug 2020 #6
I would not be suprized in the least if the tape is part of Assange's dead man's switch Doug.Goodall Aug 2020 #7
The story is too specific and detailed ScratchCat Aug 2020 #8
Yeah, the Obama bed thing is outrageous TexasBushwhacker Aug 2020 #65
The Pee Tape may indeed exist Gothmog Aug 2020 #9
The surprise would be if the tapes do not exist. It is only Enoki33 Aug 2020 #12
of course it is NRaleighLiberal Aug 2020 #13
P Tape equals Pedophile tape, the people peeing on Trump were under age girls and he doesn't care... uponit7771 Aug 2020 #14
Trump is so stupid he probably never thought about hidden cameras pandr32 Aug 2020 #15
There was a story going around decades ago. (Pre-snopes) about some hotel chains, and their niyad Aug 2020 #58
But Pootie is his friend! pandr32 Aug 2020 #61
Very young women. Texaswitchy Aug 2020 #16
The fact that DU knew all of this in 2016 does nothing to defray the dark absurdity. byronius Aug 2020 #17
I absolutely believe the tape is real. MontanaMama Aug 2020 #19
I've always been convinced it is real LymphocyteLover Aug 2020 #20
Get ready for CaptYossarian Aug 2020 #21
Their is tapes of those Republican that visited Russia on 4th of July event ace3csusm Aug 2020 #22
Pee tape is meaningless Traildogbob Aug 2020 #23
Yep. Evolve Dammit Aug 2020 #38
Unless there are clearly underage girls starring in it. ehrnst Aug 2020 #76
Wild not surprise me Traildogbob Aug 2020 #77
Wouldn't Doubt It for a Minute The Daily Irishman Aug 2020 #25
My theory which is mine and belongs to me snd PCIntern Aug 2020 #26
I share your theory catchnrelease Aug 2020 #40
Yup. Silver Gaia Aug 2020 #68
I agree. (nt) ehrnst Aug 2020 #75
Seems quaint now think4yourself Aug 2020 #27
Never a doubt in my mind... Lucinda Aug 2020 #29
What if it is real? It won't cost him many votes, at this point. Paladin Aug 2020 #30
If we could get our hands on it and release it for people to view, LisaL Aug 2020 #31
I'd love to see it released. Paladin Aug 2020 #57
No doubt that other GOPee'ers are on film, as well. C Moon Aug 2020 #32
It always struck me as weird: boguspotus Aug 2020 #33
and fetishes sometimes have to do with the forbidden or the feared Kali Aug 2020 #50
When I first heard about this in 2016 I told my friends panader0 Aug 2020 #35
One thing is certain and well-documented: He LOVES the golden color. calimary Aug 2020 #41
Trump does a lot of projection gab13by13 Aug 2020 #36
I really don't care wryter2000 Aug 2020 #42
It would be a Golden Opportunity to see that tape... BadGimp Aug 2020 #45
And I think Turkey has it. And the Pentagon probably does, too. McCamy Taylor Aug 2020 #46
If a Vegas pee-pee party happened you know a pee-pee party happened in Moscow. sarcasmo Aug 2020 #51
The larger problem Chainfire Aug 2020 #53
WHAT I DON'T GET is cilla4progress Aug 2020 #56
There's also talk of Trump and Miss Moscow 2013. gab13by13 Aug 2020 #60
Of course the pee tapes are real BUT! jimlup Aug 2020 #63
This message was self-deleted by its author jimlup Aug 2020 #64
I think it's a snuff tape. He is a sadist. Captain Zero Aug 2020 #66
Not an unwise guess bucolic_frolic Aug 2020 #70
I keep asking myself bucolic_frolic Aug 2020 #69
His base would embrace it spanone Aug 2020 #71
I remember reading IC analysis that many countries know about trump transgressions and behavior, and wiggs Aug 2020 #73

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
52. Cohen said "I was there for it all" (or close to those words) and mentioned Golden Showers.
Wed Aug 19, 2020, 03:03 PM
Aug 2020

So yes, I believe that is a thing for Trump.

cilla4progress

(24,775 posts)
3. I've always believed so.
Wed Aug 19, 2020, 12:19 PM
Aug 2020

I'm pretty sure that if it is, US government would cover it up to hide US from worldwide shame. Of course Rs would either dismiss or disbelieve it.

Steele quite credible reputationally.

I trust my crone intuition.

cilla4progress

(24,775 posts)
37. Amirite?
Wed Aug 19, 2020, 02:24 PM
Aug 2020

Since turning about 60, I feel like I have so much clarity! Doesn't mean I can predict what's going to happen...goddess knows...

But I "see." I "know." For example, right from wrong; good from bad.

I unfortunately have been exposed to toxic trumpism in a couple settings recently which threatened to derail me - or at least drive me insane!

But I got hold of myself, removed the threats, and am back on track! Sure in my support of progressive positions; clear about truth, reality, and lies despite the obfuscation, chaos, and propaganda; committed to doing my part as an elder to move this country forward - come what may!

I'm a lucky crone!

MontanaMama

(23,337 posts)
62. I'm 56...
Wed Aug 19, 2020, 07:32 PM
Aug 2020

When I turned 50, I got a tattoo of the Celtic symbol for the triple goddess...maiden, mother and crone. 50 felt like such a transition...at least it did for me. No fucks left to give except for what’s really important. My BS detector is in full gear these days and I don’t have time for crap. We ought to have a crone sorority...maybe we already do.

PatSeg

(47,609 posts)
28. I always thought it was very likely
Wed Aug 19, 2020, 01:30 PM
Aug 2020

as the story was too far out there to be made up. If someone is going to lie or start a rumor about someone, they would probably make it more believable. Well, unless of course they are right-wing conspiracists. The more we learn about Trump, the more we realize that anything is possible.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
39. During one interview on
Wed Aug 19, 2020, 02:30 PM
Aug 2020

Sirius radio with Howard Stern, tRump was saying "You HAVE to visit Russia. The women there have no morals. You have to go" This was several years ago.

PatSeg

(47,609 posts)
43. All anyone has to do
Wed Aug 19, 2020, 02:39 PM
Aug 2020

is look back on his life and listen to the many interviews he gave to see what kind of a person he is. He's never been one to have a filter and he didn't care what people thought, so there's plenty of material for those who cared enough to look.

In 2016, he was barely vetted, probably because no one really took his candidacy too seriously until it was too late. Meanwhile, he was so outrageous that he was good for ratings. A Democratic candidate on the other hand gets raked over the coals for extremely minor things. This freak of nature got a free pass.

cilla4progress

(24,775 posts)
54. Well said, hear, hear!
Wed Aug 19, 2020, 03:22 PM
Aug 2020

And also...your signature line. I love it. If anyone would know, Gandhi would.

THANK YOU!

I mean, it can be called intuition (as I do) - but what is it, other than COMMON SENSE!!!!

PatSeg

(47,609 posts)
59. Thank you
Wed Aug 19, 2020, 06:13 PM
Aug 2020

I hold onto that Gandhi quote to reassure me that this will pass, but there are times when it is hard. This has all been so overwhelming.
That's when I try to take it one day at a time!

Bev54

(10,072 posts)
47. I am still reading the report but at one point early on
Wed Aug 19, 2020, 02:56 PM
Aug 2020

when I was reading about Schiller saying he was offered women, for Trump after the pageant party, Schiller declined and he went to his room. But it also said there was unusual after hours charges on Trump's room bill which indicated there was more activity in the room after Trump went back.

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
4. Excellent. Agree: It's probably difficult to corroborate a single piece of
Wed Aug 19, 2020, 12:19 PM
Aug 2020

evidence that is under the purview of a few select individuals in the GRU. Look how hard it has been to get any details about the DVDs and photographs hidden in Jeffrey Epstein's safe.

BComplex

(8,066 posts)
5. There may be a pee tape, and there may be russian prostitutes. But that's not the good tape putin
Wed Aug 19, 2020, 12:21 PM
Aug 2020

has on trump. One day it will come out.

 

denem

(11,045 posts)
11. In the end it is about money.
Wed Aug 19, 2020, 12:45 PM
Aug 2020

trump did not expect to win, but he certainly expected to be able to cash in. One way or an other, the hold Putin has on trump is about money.

Lonestarblue

(10,084 posts)
24. Most likely, it's direct proof of Trump's money laundering for the Russia mafia.
Wed Aug 19, 2020, 01:14 PM
Aug 2020

Last edited Wed Aug 19, 2020, 04:50 PM - Edit history (1)

Trump needed money badly in the 1980s after bankruptcy number six, and US banks and private investors would loan him nothing. He turned to Russia, so the quid pro quo was the one thing he could do easily through real estate transactions—clean the money the oligarchs got from their under-the-radar activities and the drug and sex trafficking money generated by the Russian mafia.

I wonder if the CIA knew that some of this was going on in the 90s and early 2000s but chose tondo nothing to avoid compromising sources. If so, they sure helped put the US in a precarious position. If they knew nothing, that seems like a pretty big gap in their crime knowledge.

erronis

(15,342 posts)
34. Really good point: If the CIA knew of this and did nothing it put the US in this precarious place.
Wed Aug 19, 2020, 02:05 PM
Aug 2020

And of course lots of other government agencies as well as other entities such as google, apple, facebuck.

azureblue

(2,152 posts)
72. it's about the Deutsche Bank loans
Thu Aug 20, 2020, 10:44 AM
Aug 2020

DB originally rejected Don's loan application and DB was Don't last hope of keeping his house of cards standing. Putin found out, bankrolled and guaranteed teh loans, DB created a special branch just for Don and teh loans went through. And Putin began laundering money through Don's real estate. Putin then got some blackmail goods on Don and hit pay dirt when Don stole the presidency.

Doug.Goodall

(1,241 posts)
7. I would not be suprized in the least if the tape is part of Assange's dead man's switch
Wed Aug 19, 2020, 12:29 PM
Aug 2020

Who has the tape, and why has it not been leaked? The tape is being held back for a reason, and Assange probably knows what that reason is. That is why he is still alive, but hidden from the public.

ScratchCat

(2,002 posts)
8. The story is too specific and detailed
Wed Aug 19, 2020, 12:36 PM
Aug 2020

to be fake. A fake story would have been "...video of Trump with hookers", or, at worse, "... video of Trump with underage hookers". Nobody could have made up the whole "Obama bed" and urinating hookers part out of thin air. Think about it.

Enoki33

(1,588 posts)
12. The surprise would be if the tapes do not exist. It is only
Wed Aug 19, 2020, 12:46 PM
Aug 2020

part the kompramat material Putin holds to maintain his hero worship stature.

uponit7771

(90,364 posts)
14. P Tape equals Pedophile tape, the people peeing on Trump were under age girls and he doesn't care...
Wed Aug 19, 2020, 12:49 PM
Aug 2020

... what people think about him getting pee'd on by people unless its openly illegal.

niyad

(113,581 posts)
58. There was a story going around decades ago. (Pre-snopes) about some hotel chains, and their
Wed Aug 19, 2020, 04:32 PM
Aug 2020

hidden cameras, which filmed sexual acts, and then sold the tapes to various porn outlets. Supposedly, they were caught when a guy was in a hotel room watching porn, and realized that one of the films showed him and a partner.

Gee, you freaking orange pervert, if ***I*** knew such things all those years ago, how did you miss them?!????

byronius

(7,401 posts)
17. The fact that DU knew all of this in 2016 does nothing to defray the dark absurdity.
Wed Aug 19, 2020, 12:56 PM
Aug 2020

I predicted just after the election that there would come a time when two things would simultaneously be true -- 1) Trump would be president and 2) hard evidence that he committed actual treason would be publicly available.

It's like I'm a psychic! But no, I just read the Democratic Underground every day.

There's just no bullshit that survives on this site. If the truth isn't in the OP, it's in the comments.

MontanaMama

(23,337 posts)
19. I absolutely believe the tape is real.
Wed Aug 19, 2020, 01:02 PM
Aug 2020

Whether he watched or participated...the crime will most likely be that minor females were in his hotel room.

ace3csusm

(969 posts)
22. Their is tapes of those Republican that visited Russia on 4th of July event
Wed Aug 19, 2020, 01:10 PM
Aug 2020

This is why they are locked step with trump they will all go down ... wasnt Ohio Senator Johnson one of them, would explain his current investigation...

Traildogbob

(8,822 posts)
23. Pee tape is meaningless
Wed Aug 19, 2020, 01:10 PM
Aug 2020

His cult would love it, scream with eyes, face and neck veins bulging as they do with “lock her up rabid chants. He is “shitting” on the constitution and rule of law while robbing those fools blind and they react the same in “furious joy” at their God owning the libs. In real time, live, AND years of video available with no court order to view.

PCIntern

(25,589 posts)
26. My theory which is mine and belongs to me snd
Wed Aug 19, 2020, 01:22 PM
Aug 2020

is mine too, is that it’s a Godfather Part II scenario. He was set up with underage girls and there is a capital crime involved. And P is for Pedophile. .

catchnrelease

(1,945 posts)
40. I share your theory
Wed Aug 19, 2020, 02:31 PM
Aug 2020

I believe his vulnerable place is going to deal with underage girls--rape--at the very least.

think4yourself

(839 posts)
27. Seems quaint now
Wed Aug 19, 2020, 01:29 PM
Aug 2020

Compared to the things we’ve watched in real time with our own eyes.
This nightmare must end in January.

Paladin

(28,275 posts)
30. What if it is real? It won't cost him many votes, at this point.
Wed Aug 19, 2020, 01:36 PM
Aug 2020

Look at the things his idiot voting base is willing to put up with. Look at the amount of shit they are willing to eat, and grin about it. If there's a pee tape, trump's people will just laugh about the libs getting upset about it.

LisaL

(44,974 posts)
31. If we could get our hands on it and release it for people to view,
Wed Aug 19, 2020, 01:48 PM
Aug 2020

I certainly think that would be a good development.

Paladin

(28,275 posts)
57. I'd love to see it released.
Wed Aug 19, 2020, 03:42 PM
Aug 2020

I just don't think it would have much effect, given the nightmare we're all living through at this point.

boguspotus

(286 posts)
33. It always struck me as weird:
Wed Aug 19, 2020, 02:01 PM
Aug 2020

I remember trump's response to the first talk of a pee tape - he said he was a "germaphobe" - as in no way he ever could be involved in something like that. But I read years ago that urine is sterile. Sure makes it seem that he knew that too.

Kali

(55,025 posts)
50. and fetishes sometimes have to do with the forbidden or the feared
Wed Aug 19, 2020, 03:01 PM
Aug 2020


I don't know if the pee thing is true but using germaphobia as an excuse sure isn't believable to me.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
35. When I first heard about this in 2016 I told my friends
Wed Aug 19, 2020, 02:18 PM
Aug 2020

"Remember the golden showers." To trump's juvenile mind, it's probably a big no-no turn-on.
Cohen's reprise is further evidence. Plus trump is no "germophobe". He has always gone without
a condom. Would a "germaphobe" do that?

calimary

(81,507 posts)
41. One thing is certain and well-documented: He LOVES the golden color.
Wed Aug 19, 2020, 02:33 PM
Aug 2020

His residences are full of it - from his penthouse apartment in New York City to Mar-a-Lago.

The Oval Office is all done in yellow and gold tones.

He's had his name in big golden letters on the sides of buildings.

He has his hair dyed and his face-paint tinted accordingly.

The color gold is his thing. Literally and figuratively. He's surrounded himself with it and lived in it for decades.

So a shower known to be of that color does NOT surprise me.

gab13by13

(21,408 posts)
36. Trump does a lot of projection
Wed Aug 19, 2020, 02:23 PM
Aug 2020

when he claimed to be a germaphobe it convinced me more that the tape was real.

Chainfire

(17,644 posts)
53. The larger problem
Wed Aug 19, 2020, 03:17 PM
Aug 2020

Is that we know enough about Trump for the allegations to be considered within the realm of possibility.

No sexual deviance on his part would surprise me. Intelligence agencies play on people's weaknesses. If their are Moscow tapes, they are under the full control of Putin. We will never learn of their existence, for sure, unless it becomes to Putin's advantage to release them. Until that time Putin owns Trump.

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
63. Of course the pee tapes are real BUT!
Wed Aug 19, 2020, 10:54 PM
Aug 2020

I don't think that is what really matters to Donald.

Putin has something more on him. Something he cares about more and is more embarrassed by. Think about Donald and what he cares about and you will see that it has to be something else. It is about what Donald really cares about. It is what he thinks about almost every moment.

If you want to know what it is that Putin has on him, follow the money.

Response to kpete (Original post)

bucolic_frolic

(43,307 posts)
70. Not an unwise guess
Thu Aug 20, 2020, 10:18 AM
Aug 2020

We've really been given the opportunity these years to integrate understanding of how personality disorders develop, interact, change, and fit in their surroundings. It's as if psychology - Freud himself - has grown into human consciousness, created an awareness, the collective unconscious sprung to life. Humankind may have the skills to ward off future attacks. If we can get past this one.

What tipped you off? That blank, worried stare with a sense of dread? The laundermat denials while leaning forward? Melania's demeanor and at times demure dress? Is the puzzle coming together for you?

wiggs

(7,819 posts)
73. I remember reading IC analysis that many countries know about trump transgressions and behavior, and
Thu Aug 20, 2020, 11:02 AM
Aug 2020

that while there are tapes it is not likely they are golden shower related.

But that's a tiny detail, IMHO. More important is how any tape is being used by other countries, other oligarchs, other gop players (McConnell? Barr?). There are many countries with excellent intelligence capabilities that know a lot more than the general US public. There's a LONG history of criming, grifting, racism, misogyny, cheating, and incompetence. It's AMAZING there has been so little proof made available to the public...the proof must be used in some other way.

All partners in crime own each other...just hoping for the dominoes to start falling.

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