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Manhattan hits 13,000 empty apartments (Original Post) Demovictory9 Aug 2020 OP
lower rents then right? nt msongs Aug 2020 #1
yep. sf too Demovictory9 Aug 2020 #2
Probably not because of foreign investors and private equity firms Withywindle Aug 2020 #4
They've been buying coops, condos, and entire rental buildings. Sanity Claws Aug 2020 #13
If supply/demand is working, but... Happy Hoosier Aug 2020 #11
The glut of empty apartments has been worsened by the pandemic . . . markpkessinger Aug 2020 #3
+1 Withywindle Aug 2020 #5
I don't know how to tell you this but...healthy cities are dynamic... brooklynite Aug 2020 #9
We are always hearing about the need to economically revitalize inner city neighborhoods... Happy Hoosier Aug 2020 #12
Trump shoots himself in the foot. SergeStorms Aug 2020 #6
True to a Point... Roy Rolling Aug 2020 #7
+1 North Shore Chicago Aug 2020 #8
Under a bridge in a prison somewhere. Lars39 Aug 2020 #10

Withywindle

(9,988 posts)
4. Probably not because of foreign investors and private equity firms
Thu Aug 20, 2020, 03:42 AM
Aug 2020

That's the reason rents have been driven up beyond reach of the middle class, never mind the working class.

That's been going on for decades. I would LOVE to see that trend reversed, and rents and ownership prices for regular people who just want a place to live become more affordable, but even a pandemic might not be enough to do it.

Sanity Claws

(21,851 posts)
13. They've been buying coops, condos, and entire rental buildings.
Thu Aug 20, 2020, 09:25 AM
Aug 2020

However, the foreign investors and private equity firms have not been renting apartments, at least not as tenants. They may be landlords.

Happy Hoosier

(7,366 posts)
11. If supply/demand is working, but...
Thu Aug 20, 2020, 08:46 AM
Aug 2020

It's not all good news. The property owners will probably take a bat with significantly lower rents, which means they'll cut to the bone, meaning maintenance issues, and they'll be less likely to forbear late rents.

markpkessinger

(8,401 posts)
3. The glut of empty apartments has been worsened by the pandemic . . .
Thu Aug 20, 2020, 03:29 AM
Aug 2020

. . . but it started well before, thanks to the excessive number of luxury towers that have gone up in the last 10-15 years, many of which have never been filled, and serve as mere investment properties for very wealthy investors.

Withywindle

(9,988 posts)
5. +1
Thu Aug 20, 2020, 03:46 AM
Aug 2020

It's amazing how, in just a few decades, some inner city areas have gone from "blighted ghettos" (wrong) to locations so desirable for the rich that you have to be a millionaire just to live there.

And this is why. "Urban renewal" is always code for extreme economic gentrification.

brooklynite

(94,679 posts)
9. I don't know how to tell you this but...healthy cities are dynamic...
Thu Aug 20, 2020, 08:39 AM
Aug 2020

In the 1870s when our house was built, our section of Brooklyn was upper middle class. In the 1930s it was where dockworkers lived and our house had been boarded up. Today it’s one of the higher income nabes. You can’t lock in an economic scale.

Happy Hoosier

(7,366 posts)
12. We are always hearing about the need to economically revitalize inner city neighborhoods...
Thu Aug 20, 2020, 08:51 AM
Aug 2020

But that will almost always mean some level of gentrification. No business will invest in a neighborhood where the residents can't afford to patronize the them.

I've heard some weird stuff described as "gentrification."

In my small city, there was an outcry of "gentrification" when an Aldi's was being build in an under-served area. Just 6 months before, there was a protest decrying the area as a food desert. Sometimes ya just can't win.

SergeStorms

(19,204 posts)
6. Trump shoots himself in the foot.
Thu Aug 20, 2020, 04:28 AM
Aug 2020

How is occupancy doing in Trump Towers, Donny? Ahhhh....the Russians will always take care of one of their own. Fat Nixon will never have to worry about occupancy in his properties.

Roy Rolling

(6,925 posts)
7. True to a Point...
Thu Aug 20, 2020, 05:21 AM
Aug 2020

When the Russian oligarchs run out of money and Trump goes back to being an ordinary citizen moron, he’ll be living in a Motel 6 in Florida. We hope.

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