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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAOC to Pelosi: "No one gets to complain about primary challenges again."
...A Kennedy has never lost Massachusetts. But Markey, 74, has countered the shine of the Kennedy name by projecting the power of some of the party's stars, including Sen. Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts and Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York, who have fundraised for the senator. Progressives, who have spent the last five years on the attack, trying to win seats from moderate incumbents in the House, have put their full weight behind Markey's campaign, and view the defense of his seat as one of their most important fights of the cycle.
... Progressives -- including Ocasio-Cortez -- reacted to the news with frustration. Party leadership has been aggressive in seeking to defend its incumbents against primary challengers, but Pelosi's endorsement, they argued, came in defiance of that rule. "No one gets to complain about primary challenges again," Ocasio-Cortez tweeted, punctuating the sentence with a happy emoji, before addressing the House Democratic campaign arm. "When can we expect you to reverse your blacklist policy against primary orgs?," she asked. "Because between this & lack of care around @IlhanMN's challenger, it seems like less a policy and more a cherry-picking activity."
...Justice Democrats, the group that has drawn Pelosi's ire for launching and supporting progressive primary campaigns against members of her caucus, accused the Speaker of hypocrisy and "using her power to undermine the next generation of Democratic voters and the progressive champions we choose to believe in. For two years, Democratic Party leadership has endorsed incumbents over progressive primary challengers claiming it is their policy to always back incumbents -- even when the incumbent was anti-choice and endorsed by the NRA," Justice Democrats executive director Alexandra Rojas said.
More at https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/20/politics/pelosi-kennedy-endorsement-massachusetts-senate-race/index.html
JI7
(89,283 posts)efhmc
(14,735 posts)Response to efhmc (Reply #2)
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Initech
(100,129 posts)The republicans win time and time again because they have a unifying message and a 24/7 propaganda network with which to amplify that unifying message. Us, we're fighting over X candidate passes the purity test over Y candidate. It's a popularity contest, and I hate popularity contests.
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)Nancy did not follow her own rule of thumb (I dont care that this is a Senate primary). I assumed Madam Speaker would have shown respect to a thirty year house colleague.
Raine
(30,541 posts)LisaM
(27,848 posts)I dither between liking her and getting enormously frustrated by her. She's so talented and charismatic, then she seems to twist the knife in my back.
The Kennedys have done a lot for the Democratic party; I have no issue with endorsing any of them. AOC at times seems to want to undermine the party.
History will tell whether she becomes another Pelosi, but those are big shoes to fill.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)The DCCC made a big deal about elected Dems endorsing primary challengers. AOC endorsed Markey. I was really surprised that Pelosi broke ranks to endorse Kennedy.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)enough
(13,268 posts)I think the problem here is timing. This could have waited.
TheFarseer
(9,328 posts)After Pelosi already got her way on everything?
jayfish
(10,040 posts)Duncan Grant
(8,296 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)Madam Speaker is.
George II
(67,782 posts)W_HAMILTON
(7,878 posts)The DCCC is the official campaign arm of the Democrats in the House of Representatives, which means that it supports Democrats currently serving in the House of Representatives (or certain Democratic House candidates, if they are challenging Republican-held seats).
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)W_HAMILTON
(7,878 posts)Because I explained exactly why she doesn't.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)BannonsLiver
(16,542 posts)Im going to put my money on not going to happen.
Ive seen many posters say she is a stone cold lock to be President someday. That seems unlikely. Nothing is promised anyway.
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,249 posts)polarizing as Michelle Bachmann. I don't see her moving much beyond where she is right now.
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)you can't complain about progressives challenging incumbents because of a rule that we don't primary incumbents, then turn around and endorse a primary challenger to a progressive incumbent.
It's hypocritical, and it's, in fact, game on.
Pelosi would have done better to sit this one out IMO.
SharonClark
(10,014 posts)Nay
(12,051 posts)Proud Liberal Dem
(24,452 posts)I love how she takes it to the Republicans but then get annoyed when she starts publicly attacking Democratic Party in general whenever there are internal party disagreements. It's sort of how I feel about Bernie.
question everything
(47,568 posts)This is the first time, and perhaps last, that I agree with AOC. Who, exactly, is "undermining the party" be endorsing a challenger to a well known and respected incumbent?
JI7
(89,283 posts)Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)She won't play well upstate. She should run for NYC Mayor next year.
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empedocles
(15,751 posts)RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)If he hasnt already.
BamaRefugee
(3,488 posts)I'm a Californian, so it doesn't matter to me, both candidates seem great, but AOC does have a point here.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)She's doing the right thing, AND she's sending a message.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)right about at least one thing Jackie. It does send a message.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)She's the QUEEN BEE and nobody wants to fuck with Nancy unless they're looking to be stung!
Nancy Rocks!
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)some for Pelosi, some for AOC, or others.
It's not particularly useful.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Using that particular phrase indicates a passive-aggressive hostility, or some other belief that someone like Pelosi is somehow undeserving of the approval and accolades that she receives. Or, that those who do respect her lack the ability to make rational decisions or judgement calls.
Here's the thing... Nancy knows what she's doing. Nancy Pelosi has EARNED my respect and admiration with her accomplishments and her cool head. She's patient and methodical. She's loyal to our party. She's put in the time and that's why she's where she is today.
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)goes well beyond respect and admiration.
She's a great...human being. Which means capable of making mistakes. Your approach is, nu-uh, she rocks!
That's not particularly compelling.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Me.
(35,454 posts)and where we would be these last 2 years without her, I can't say. And you know it turns out she was also right about wanting to wait even longer for impeachment hearings.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)And do so without providing any evidence at all to support our claims.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)may not win the next time.
Bzzz-bzzz! Don't mess with the Queen Bee!
BannonsLiver
(16,542 posts)Ive heard a lot of complaining about Pelosis endorsement. You know what Ive also heard about for 20 years? The purity folks dragging Kerry, Hillary and Biden for their IWR votes. I learned today Markey voted for the IWR too, but not a peep from those same folks about that.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)And Sarandon was a BIG TIME John Edwards supporter... never a word about IWR.
BannonsLiver
(16,542 posts)Mariana
(14,861 posts)JI7
(89,283 posts)of shit Sarandon was.
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)why wouldn't she?
empedocles
(15,751 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Nor does Nancy use twitter to publicly air grievances and disagreements with members of her own party. Fortunately, Nancy WILL use it to try and embarrass Republicans, and she'll use it as leverage against the enemy. But it's not Nancy's style to try and bully anyone in her own party. That would be crass.
Nancy is a professional with experience and class. That's one of the things I really like about her.
She ROCKS!!
bigtree
(86,013 posts)...ahem.
JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)Looks like someone isn't liking a taste of her own medicine. Yeah, color me shocked.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)As should the rest of us
JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)This is a Senate primary. See the difference? That makes it not hypocrisy. AOC...wrong??? Again??? Oh my.
TheFarseer
(9,328 posts)Kind of a silly place to draw a line in the sand, isnt it?
Mariana
(14,861 posts)Pompoy
(124 posts)All the Markey advertising with AOC made the decision for me. I have no problem with Markey, incumbents have more influence in Congress, didn't know too much about Kennedy, and Kennedy is still young.
But AOC's endorsement made me vote for Kennedy. I don't want her pulling the party in her direction. She is too young for all this power she thinks she has.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)stillcool
(32,626 posts)he impressed me in the debates. Markey is surely tried and true, but should we win, we'll need more than that.
JI7
(89,283 posts)and that's why he lost a lot of support and it's behind now.
stillcool
(32,626 posts)I really don't much care which one of them wins, they're both good Democrats.
JI7
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grantcart
(53,061 posts)Every time I show him candidate B's picture he looks at me like I have lost my mind.
Pretty easy after that.
Green Line
(1,123 posts)demmiblue
(36,911 posts)stillcool
(32,626 posts)that messes with peoples ego. At a time when we're on the brink of losing the "United" States, it's all about her.
liskddksil
(2,753 posts)because the people of Massachussets realize that Markey is doing a good job for their state.
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)Since JFK was a Massachusetts Senator.
Shes voting Markey.
jalan48
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jalan48
(13,907 posts)brush
(53,963 posts)brush
(53,963 posts)during presidential cycles (Greens, Libertarians) and only run a candidate for president as they have built no grassroots organization to run local, county or statewide candidates. They have no chance and for there to be one which has established all of that by 2024 or even 2028 is nonsensical.
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BannonsLiver
(16,542 posts)The back benches are filled with many who fit that bill.
Crunchy Frog
(26,699 posts)DFW
(54,476 posts)Maybe just supporting a fellow House member in a close call?
The kick-em-out crowd in the House had no problem with a young Bowman unseating a perfectly progressive, but older, Elliott Engle in a House primary, but now have a problem when its being done in a Senate primary? Engle was too old at 66 but Markey is too young at 73, or whatever their ages are?
Tip ONeill was right when he said all politics is local. Although I often spend more time in Massachusetts every year than I do in Texas, I dont vote in Massachusetts, so Ill leave the fine points of this race to those who vote there. I count on them to know the fine points of the race better than I do.
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PTWB
(4,131 posts)Progressives endorsed the challenger to the incumbent and there was a huge uproar. And now we have our establishment endorsing a challenger to an incumbent Democrat. Its a bad look for the establishment to do the same thing they attacked the progressive wing for doing just weeks ago.
That said, I think both Kennedy and Markey will be excellent. I think folks should be free to endorse whomever they think will better represent the people theyre elected to serve.
Pelosi is right to endorse Kennedy and AOC was right to endorse Bowman. I dont think Bowman won because of AOCs endorsement but rather because Engel caught on a hot mic making comments that didnt sit well with the people of his district.
brush
(53,963 posts)Seems she'd be trying to get in a more left candidate. This is a reversal on both sides.
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NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_Win_Friends_and_Influence_People#Fundamental_Techniques_in_Handling_People
Don't criticize, condemn, or complain. Human nature does not like to admit fault. When people are criticized or humiliated, they rarely respond well and will often become defensive and resent their critic. To handle people well, we must never criticize, condemn or complain because it will never result in the behavior we desire.
Give honest and sincere appreciation. Appreciation is one of the most powerful tools in the world. People will rarely work at their maximum potential under criticism, but honest appreciation brings out their best. Appreciation, though, is not simple flattery, it must be sincere, meaningful and with love.
Arouse in the other person an eager want. To get what we want from another person, we must forget our own perspective and begin to see things from the point of view of others. When we can combine our desires with their wants, they become eager to work with us and we can mutually achieve our objectives.
Doremus
(7,261 posts)Now Pelosi is throwing the incumbent under the bus and everybody expects AOC to grin and bear it.
It's bs.
still_one
(92,492 posts)It make her position on challenging incumbents a joke, and even worse creates unecessary friction within different segments of the party, something we don't need at this time
BannonsLiver
(16,542 posts)Markey will win, probably fairly easily. Those upset with Pelosi will crow and the rest of us will move on.
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BannonsLiver
(16,542 posts)Most people off DU dont give a shit about Ed Markey or JKIII. Its inside baseball stuff. We shall see.
still_one
(92,492 posts)be challenged, and then she goes ahead and does it
As for the actual election, Markey is ahead within the margin of error
It is going to be close
BannonsLiver
(16,542 posts)still_one
(92,492 posts)BannonsLiver
(16,542 posts)PTWB
(4,131 posts)To do the thing youve very publicly told other people that they shouldnt do.
BannonsLiver
(16,542 posts)I have no problem with Pelosis endorsement of Kennedy or AOCs endorsement of Bowman. Theyre both reasonable.
Pelosi is a brilliant woman. She doesnt need me to write a letter explaining that do what I say not what I do isnt a good look.
OnDoutside
(19,982 posts)DenverJared
(457 posts)There is a very big difference between supporting a primary challenger in a blue state or district because at the end of the day, a Democrat will win regardless.
Challenging incumbents in red or purple areas with a progressive challenger threatens the loss of a seat to republicans.
Case in point - Amy McGrath who had a fighting chance to beat Moscow Mitch. She was weakened and her resources drained by her primary challenger who had even a less of a chance of winning against Moscow Mitch.
George II
(67,782 posts)theaocp
(4,247 posts)for AOC
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demmiblue
(36,911 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,393 posts)Asks my wife every time she sees that in a thread.
Mariana
(14,861 posts)kcr
(15,321 posts)I don't get Pelosi on this one. It does seem rather hypocritical.
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tritsofme
(17,422 posts)I dont typically find myself on the side of AOC in intraparty disputes, but she is 100% correct here.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,375 posts)Mariana
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Autumn
(45,120 posts)to "always back incumbents -- even when the incumbent was anti-choice and endorsed by the NRA,"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/democratic-leaders-stand-firm-on-incumbent-favor-rule-rebuff-liberal-cries-of-blacklist/2019/04/02/117a7714-54bd-11e9-8ef3-fbd41a2ce4d5_story.html
The message has been delivered in public and in private about the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committees prohibition on vendors working with candidates who challenge sitting lawmakers.
Im for winning the House for the Democrats, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said in a brief interview with The Washington Post when asked about changing the policy. .?.?. My focus is strictly on winning the election and to putting our resources where it will win the election for the American people.
Rep. Cheri Bustos (D-Ill.), who oversaw the change as the committee chairwoman, was even more blunt in a private meeting last week, telling several leaders of the caucuss liberal bloc, Were not changing it.
gulliver
(13,198 posts)If AOC were completely happy, it would help Trumpies sell Dem candidates as "radical left." By designating AOC as radical left so prominently, the Trump Party has unintentionally undermined its own strategy.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)AOCs tweet is not addressed to Pelosi. It is addressed to the DCCC.
Evergreen Emerald
(13,071 posts)I am tired of her complaining. Perhaps she could focus on winning the White House.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)And she was supporting a Dem, Markey.
Evergreen Emerald
(13,071 posts)It was meant for the initial post. And, it was misleading. But, I stand by my statement. I am tired of her picking fights with the Dems. She needs to focus on supporting Dems.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)Why knee cap Senator Markey?
George II
(67,782 posts)Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)So it is OK to primary a sitting Democratic Senator but not a Representative. Hypocrisy!
And that doesn't change the fact that the OP's headline is dishonest.
George II
(67,782 posts)....the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee.
This is a Senate primary - a matter for the DSCC, the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee.
Not a double standard - two entirely different organizations in two entirely different chambers, with two entirely different groups of members and sets of guidelines.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)And the headline is still dishonest.
George II
(67,782 posts)Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)and hypocrisy.
greyl
(22,990 posts)betsuni
(25,751 posts)Now it's good? It is confusing.
Tarc
(10,478 posts)esp. about the Omar bit.