Thu Aug 20, 2020, 02:15 PM

AOC to Pelosi: "No one gets to complain about primary challenges again."

Washington (CNN)House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has endorsed Rep. Joe Kennedy in his effort to unseat Sen. Ed Markey in an upcoming Massachusetts Senate Democratic primary. The move puts the California Democrat squarely in the middle of a closely-watched fight and could deliver a boost to Kennedy ahead of the September 1 primary election where he is challenging Markey, who served alongside Pelosi for decades as a member of the House of Representatives.

...A Kennedy has never lost Massachusetts. But Markey, 74, has countered the shine of the Kennedy name by projecting the power of some of the party's stars, including Sen. Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts and Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York, who have fundraised for the senator. Progressives, who have spent the last five years on the attack, trying to win seats from moderate incumbents in the House, have put their full weight behind Markey's campaign, and view the defense of his seat as one of their most important fights of the cycle.

... Progressives -- including Ocasio-Cortez -- reacted to the news with frustration. Party leadership has been aggressive in seeking to defend its incumbents against primary challengers, but Pelosi's endorsement, they argued, came in defiance of that rule. "No one gets to complain about primary challenges again," Ocasio-Cortez tweeted, punctuating the sentence with a happy emoji, before addressing the House Democratic campaign arm. "When can we expect you to reverse your blacklist policy against primary orgs?," she asked. "Because between this & lack of care around @IlhanMN's challenger, it seems like less a policy and more a cherry-picking activity."

...Justice Democrats, the group that has drawn Pelosi's ire for launching and supporting progressive primary campaigns against members of her caucus, accused the Speaker of hypocrisy and "using her power to undermine the next generation of Democratic voters and the progressive champions we choose to believe in. For two years, Democratic Party leadership has endorsed incumbents over progressive primary challengers claiming it is their policy to always back incumbents -- even when the incumbent was anti-choice and endorsed by the NRA," Justice Democrats executive director Alexandra Rojas said.

More at https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/20/politics/pelosi-kennedy-endorsement-massachusetts-senate-race/index.html

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140 replies	Author	Time	Post
AOC to Pelosi: "No one gets to complain about primary challenges again." (Original post)	BeyondGeography	Aug 2020	OP
lol	JI7	Aug 2020	#1
Beginning to like AOC less and less.	efhmc	Aug 2020	#2
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Aug 2020	#10
I'm getting really sick of purity tests.	Initech	Aug 2020	#92
Why?	PTWB	Aug 2020	#108
Sorry, she's right on this one	RhodeIslandOne	Aug 2020	#123
I like her even more. 👍 nt	Raine	Aug 2020	#128
+1	rgbecker	Aug 2020	#136
Ugh.	LisaM	Aug 2020	#3
She does have a point	Trumpocalypse	Aug 2020	#5
+1	lagomorph777	Aug 2020	#7
Yes. NT	enough	Aug 2020	#19
3rd.	jayfish	Aug 2020	#34
What would have been the right time?	TheFarseer	Aug 2020	#102
When Joe Biden Takes Office. -NT-	jayfish	Aug 2020	#105
+1	Duncan Grant	Aug 2020	#55
She also endorsed Cori Bush and Jamaal Bowman	George II	Aug 2020	#76
So?	Trumpocalypse	Aug 2020	#83
She's not applying a "no endorsing non incumbents" to anyone	RhodeIslandOne	Aug 2020	#124
There isn't a "no endorsing non-incumbents" rule. She's got it incorrect.	George II	Aug 2020	#131
No, she doesn't.	W_HAMILTON	Aug 2020	#80
Yes she does.	Trumpocalypse	Aug 2020	#88
Feel free to explain how then.	W_HAMILTON	Aug 2020	#95
Your explanation was BS	Trumpocalypse	Aug 2020	#97
On your last sentence	BannonsLiver	Aug 2020	#8
I live in a purple state. She's not.	octoberlib	Aug 2020	#89
I live in NC, and AOC may be popular in the bluest of the blue districts, but she has become as....	Tarheel_Dem	Aug 2020	#129
I'm not enamored of her but she's pretty much right	qazplm135	Aug 2020	#27
Agree.	SharonClark	Aug 2020	#71
I love AOC and she is exactly right about this. nt	Nay	Aug 2020	#84
I feel the same way	Proud Liberal Dem	Aug 2020	#90
So you will endorse and vote for "a Kennedy" just because of the name?	question everything	Aug 2020	#93
She should Challenge Schumer in the next Senate election	JI7	Aug 2020	#4
She'll lose	Trumpocalypse	Aug 2020	#6
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Aug 2020	#12
Won't play well most of NY. Plays quite well to fox	empedocles	Aug 2020	#14
Schumer will almost certainly endorse Markey though	RhodeIslandOne	Aug 2020	#127
I can't see a reason to not like AOC because of this, she's speaking truth, why is that a problem?	BamaRefugee	Aug 2020	#9
I was very surprised that Nancy did that.	Autumn	Aug 2020	#11
So am I... and I'm so pleased that she did. I trust Nancy. She knows what she's doing.	NurseJackie	Aug 2020	#15
Considering her ire at other people primarying Democrats it seems rather off. I will say you are	Autumn	Aug 2020	#20
And I'll bet the message is being received loud and clear.	NurseJackie	Aug 2020	#24
We do too much hero worship	qazplm135	Aug 2020	#28
Nancy knows what she's doing. My confidence in her is far from "Hero Worship"...	NurseJackie	Aug 2020	#47
your approach in this thread	qazplm135	Aug 2020	#57
LOL!	NurseJackie	Aug 2020	#82
Nancy Has A Provem Track Record	Me.	Aug 2020	#60
Nancy ROCKS!! She's got what it takes! She's proved it OVER AND OVER AGAIN!	NurseJackie	Aug 2020	#68
We also call a positive narrative "hero worship" too much as well.	LanternWaste	Aug 2020	#103
I'm sure some of the same people who challenged her last time will do it again. Nancy	Autumn	Aug 2020	#44
LOL!	NurseJackie	Aug 2020	#54
Isn't it interesting	BannonsLiver	Aug 2020	#65
Sarandon used that against Hillary... but John Edwards' IWR vote never bothered her.	NurseJackie	Aug 2020	#67
Gee, if I didn't know better that sounds a lot like hypocrisy.	BannonsLiver	Aug 2020	#69
It's not exactly a profound revelation that Sarandon is a hypocrite. nt.	Mariana	Aug 2020	#77
Edwards was a cosponser of the IWR . That always showed me how full	JI7	Aug 2020	#79
oh of course she'll win	qazplm135	Aug 2020	#59
The Speaker does not shoot from the hip	empedocles	Aug 2020	#16
Nor does Nancy use twitter to publicly air grievances and disagreements...	NurseJackie	Aug 2020	#81
Kick, as we say, for visibility	bigtree	Aug 2020	#13
Oh my!	JNelson6563	Aug 2020	#17
No, she does not like hypocrisy	wellst0nev0ter	Aug 2020	#53
Pelosi said she wouldn't endorse in House primaries.	JNelson6563	Aug 2020	#66
So a Senate primary challenge is totally different	TheFarseer	Aug 2020	#111
You really have to admire the mental gymnastics. nt.	Mariana	Aug 2020	#118
AOC endorsing Markey made the choice for me	Pompoy	Aug 2020	#18
Well said! Thank you!	NurseJackie	Aug 2020	#25
I went with Kennedy too...	stillcool	Aug 2020	#31
I didn't watch since im not in that state but I thought Kennedy did horrible in the debates	JI7	Aug 2020	#42
you didn't watch, but thought he did horrible?	stillcool	Aug 2020	#63
based on what I heard	JI7	Aug 2020	#64
This message was self-deleted by its author	ahoysrcsm	Aug 2020	#98
Every time I show my cat Candidate A's picture he has a loud "meow"	grantcart	Aug 2020	#120
Same reason I'm voting for Kennedy	Green Line	Aug 2020	#41
Well, that is disappointing (Pelosi, not AOC).	demmiblue	Aug 2020	#21
There must be something in D.C.	stillcool	Aug 2020	#22
Pelosi is hitching herself to a sinking ship in that campaign. They've squandered a 20 point lead	liskddksil	Aug 2020	#23
My mother is a true Kennedy Democrat	RhodeIslandOne	Aug 2020	#126
One of the things I love about AOC is that she is not a kiss ass.	jalan48	Aug 2020	#26
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Aug 2020	#29
I think she is a Dem already. Are you thinking she will change parties?	jalan48	Aug 2020	#35
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Aug 2020	#38
I have to agree with you on the 3rd Party. it's inevitable.	jalan48	Aug 2020	#39
See post 50.	brush	Aug 2020	#52
Seriously? A third party? There are a couple already which only appear sporatically...	brush	Aug 2020	#50
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Aug 2020	#61
This message was self-deleted by its author	ahoysrcsm	Aug 2020	#100
Yes	BannonsLiver	Aug 2020	#37
What does Pelosi have against Markey? I'm genuinely curious. n/t	Crunchy Frog	Aug 2020	#30
Maybe not so much against Markey	DFW	Aug 2020	#86
This message was self-deleted by its author	ahoysrcsm	Aug 2020	#101
I think it's the other way around.	PTWB	Aug 2020	#110
This is a toughy as Kennnedy is a "magic" name in Mass. And why is AOC backing Markey?	brush	Aug 2020	#32
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Aug 2020	#36
Post removed	Post removed	Aug 2020	#43
"How to Win Friends and Influence People"	NurseJackie	Aug 2020	#96
Because she's gotten so much flak from Pelosi for supporting Progressives over incumbents	Doremus	Aug 2020	#51
Pelosi should not have endorsed anybody in this race, especially at this stage in the process	still_one	Aug 2020	#33
Nah	BannonsLiver	Aug 2020	#40
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Aug 2020	#45
I don't think this race matters much either way	BannonsLiver	Aug 2020	#48
It isn't because of that, it is because of her vocal position that Democratic incumbents shouldn't	still_one	Aug 2020	#46
We'll agree to disagree I guess	BannonsLiver	Aug 2020	#49
We mostly are agree on things anyway Bannon. I just think it is an unnecessary distraction	still_one	Aug 2020	#58
It's definitely not ideal, I'll give you that. And yes, I agree that we agree on most stuff.	BannonsLiver	Aug 2020	#62
It's never a good look...	PTWB	Aug 2020	#112
Maybe you should write her a letter.	BannonsLiver	Aug 2020	#113
Why?	PTWB	Aug 2020	#115
I suspect it was probably backing someone from the House against the Senate.	OnDoutside	Aug 2020	#99
Empty and misleading argument	DenverJared	Aug 2020	#56
Why is she picking this fight NOW, and with our Speaker of the House?	George II	Aug 2020	#70
Masterfully done.	theaocp	Aug 2020	#72
This message was self-deleted by its author	ahoysrcsm	Aug 2020	#104
Well, Name removed made quite the splash!	demmiblue	Aug 2020	#73
"Was that you?"	BeyondGeography	Aug 2020	#74
There's been a lot of troll activity just lately. nt.	Mariana	Aug 2020	#75
AOC is right	kcr	Aug 2020	#78
This message was self-deleted by its author	ahoysrcsm	Aug 2020	#106
Post removed	Post removed	Aug 2020	#85
Pelosi's decision to endorse in this race against a Democratic incumbent is inexplicable.	tritsofme	Aug 2020	#87
Didn't AOC get her seat by beating an incumbent in a primary? nt	JustABozoOnThisBus	Aug 2020	#91
Yes, and a lot of people squawked about it, as if it was a bad thing. nt.	Mariana	Aug 2020	#94
This message was self-deleted by its author	ahoysrcsm	Aug 2020	#109
Yes. And the outage in some places was epic. Dem leadership decided that the policy should be	Autumn	Aug 2020	#116
AOC's complaining probably helps us defeat Trump	gulliver	Aug 2020	#107
Totally dishonest headline	Trumpocalypse	Aug 2020	#114
I wish she would focus her energy on the republicans and support the dems	Evergreen Emerald	Aug 2020	#117
Doesn't change that the headline was dishonest	Trumpocalypse	Aug 2020	#119
Sorry. I did not mean to post the response to you	Evergreen Emerald	Aug 2020	#121
She is supporting a Dem, Markey	Trumpocalypse	Aug 2020	#130
Do you think Madam Speaker should do the same?	RhodeIslandOne	Aug 2020	#125
She's got it wrong, too. The DCCC's decision applies to HOUSE primaries, not SENATE primaries.	George II	Aug 2020	#132
That's a double standard	Trumpocalypse	Aug 2020	#134
The "rule" that she's referring to was established by the DCCC, not Nancy Pelosi. The DCCC is...	George II	Aug 2020	#137
BS	Trumpocalypse	Aug 2020	#138
How so is it "BS"? And the headline isn't mine.	George II	Aug 2020	#139
It's a double standard	Trumpocalypse	Aug 2020	#140
PELOSI IS ENDORSING JOE KENNEDY IN HIS SENATE CHALLENGE TO ED MARKEY. nt	greyl	Aug 2020	#122
I thought the status quo establishment incumbent was always bad.	betsuni	Aug 2020	#133
AOC ain't wrong	Tarc	Aug 2020	#135

Response to BeyondGeography (Original post)

Thu Aug 20, 2020, 02:16 PM

JI7 (87,732 posts)

AOC to Pelosi: "No one gets to complain about primary challenges again."

1. lol

2. Beginning to like AOC less and less.

92. I'm getting really sick of purity tests.

108. Why?

123. Sorry, she's right on this one

128. I like her even more. 👍 nt

136. +1

3. Ugh.

5. She does have a point

7. +1

19. Yes. NT

34. 3rd.

102. What would have been the right time?

105. When Joe Biden Takes Office. -NT-

55. +1

76. She also endorsed Cori Bush and Jamaal Bowman

83. So?

124. She's not applying a "no endorsing non incumbents" to anyone

131. There isn't a "no endorsing non-incumbents" rule. She's got it incorrect.

80. No, she doesn't.

88. Yes she does.

95. Feel free to explain how then.

97. Your explanation was BS

8. On your last sentence

89. I live in a purple state. She's not.

129. I live in NC, and AOC may be popular in the bluest of the blue districts, but she has become as....

27. I'm not enamored of her but she's pretty much right

71. Agree.

84. I love AOC and she is exactly right about this. nt

90. I feel the same way

93. So you will endorse and vote for "a Kennedy" just because of the name?

4. She should Challenge Schumer in the next Senate election

6. She'll lose

14. Won't play well most of NY. Plays quite well to fox

127. Schumer will almost certainly endorse Markey though

9. I can't see a reason to not like AOC because of this, she's speaking truth, why is that a problem?

11. I was very surprised that Nancy did that.

15. So am I... and I'm so pleased that she did. I trust Nancy. She knows what she's doing.

20. Considering her ire at other people primarying Democrats it seems rather off. I will say you are

24. And I'll bet the message is being received loud and clear.

28. We do too much hero worship

47. Nancy knows what she's doing. My confidence in her is far from "Hero Worship"...

57. your approach in this thread

82. LOL!

60. Nancy Has A Provem Track Record

68. Nancy ROCKS!! She's got what it takes! She's proved it OVER AND OVER AGAIN!

103. We also call a positive narrative "hero worship" too much as well.

44. I'm sure some of the same people who challenged her last time will do it again. Nancy

54. LOL!

65. Isn't it interesting

67. Sarandon used that against Hillary... but John Edwards' IWR vote never bothered her.

69. Gee, if I didn't know better that sounds a lot like hypocrisy.

77. It's not exactly a profound revelation that Sarandon is a hypocrite. nt.

79. Edwards was a cosponser of the IWR . That always showed me how full

59. oh of course she'll win

16. The Speaker does not shoot from the hip

81. Nor does Nancy use twitter to publicly air grievances and disagreements...

13. Kick, as we say, for visibility

17. Oh my!

53. No, she does not like hypocrisy

66. Pelosi said she wouldn't endorse in House primaries.

111. So a Senate primary challenge is totally different

118. You really have to admire the mental gymnastics. nt.

18. AOC endorsing Markey made the choice for me

25. Well said! Thank you!

31. I went with Kennedy too...

42. I didn't watch since im not in that state but I thought Kennedy did horrible in the debates

63. you didn't watch, but thought he did horrible?

64. based on what I heard

120. Every time I show my cat Candidate A's picture he has a loud "meow"

41. Same reason I'm voting for Kennedy

21. Well, that is disappointing (Pelosi, not AOC).

22. There must be something in D.C.

23. Pelosi is hitching herself to a sinking ship in that campaign. They've squandered a 20 point lead

126. My mother is a true Kennedy Democrat

26. One of the things I love about AOC is that she is not a kiss ass.

35. I think she is a Dem already. Are you thinking she will change parties?

39. I have to agree with you on the 3rd Party. it's inevitable.

52. See post 50.