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In both the the Texas voter id and the Kobach proof of citizenship needed to register to vote the cases, the GOP could provide no evidence of voter fraud in the real world. In the Penn , trump is suing to block vote by mail and the court asked for proof of voter fraud. Guess what happen
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The campaign is suing Pennsylvania Secretary of the Commonwealth Kathy Boockvar and each of the states county election boards to prevent election administrators from providing secure drop boxes for mail-in ballot returns. These drop boxes allow voters to return their mail-in ballots by hand, without sending them through the postal system and risking delays. The Trump campaign alleges that the practice provides fraudsters an easy opportunity to engage in ballot harvesting, manipulate or destroy ballots, manufacture duplicitous votes, and sow chaos.
In a motion last week, Citizens for Pennsylvanias Future and the Sierra Club called on the Trump campaign to provide evidence of the existence of voter fraud, arguing that the campaigns lawsuit was replete with salacious allegations and dire warnings about Pennsylvanias elections and that they must either be compelled to provide discovery concerning their fraud-based allegations or be precluded from pursuing these claims going forward. Judge J. Nicholas Ranjan granted the motion, ordering the campaign to produce such evidence in their possession, and if they have none, state as much.
The response provided by the Trump campaign to the opposing counsel, which was shared with The Intercept and Type Investigations, contains a few scant examples of election fraud but none of the instances in the 524-page discovery document involved mail-in ballots.
Not only did the campaign fail to provide evidence that voter fraud was a widespread problem in Pennsylvania, they failed to provide any evidence that any misconduct occurred in the primary election or that so-called voter fraud is any sort of regular problem in Pennsylvania, said Suzanne Almeida, interim director of Common Cause PA, one of the parties in the lawsuit. The Trump campaign did not immediately respond to a request for comment for this story.
Brainfodder
(6,423 posts)Lying like shitheads.
Blue Owl
(50,476 posts)n/t
MyOwnPeace
(16,937 posts)(and it didn't even cost him $130,000.00!!!!!!)
rumleyfips
(27 posts)Isn't that what Stormy Daniels said ?
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Just ask Stormy!
unblock
(52,285 posts)and has claimed to be a new york resident and agreed that mar-a-lago isn't a residence.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Lock him up.
spanone
(135,857 posts)gratuitous
(82,849 posts)And is equally unlikely to be baffled by his bullshit. If there is a hearing, I expect a choice addition to the legal world's compendium of judge's colloquies wherein an attorney is forcibly pantsed on the record.
MyOwnPeace
(16,937 posts)That's probably because Trump wasn't in the courtroom and couldn't impress the judge with his incredibly YUGE brain!
Stallion
(6,476 posts)the Court must deny the Trump administration's case
certainot
(9,090 posts)millions of people vote illegally for democrats all the time
Stallion
(6,476 posts)certainot
(9,090 posts)dispute what he says! for thirty years he has been 99.9% correct on everything, as he claims, and only a handful have ever gotten through the call screeners to challenge him before getting cut off!
louzke9
(296 posts)Fertilizer Factory with an endless supply of crap.
Stallion
(6,476 posts)goes back generations including a lawsuit during which the Bush administration couldn't come up with more than a handful of cases over a 5 year investigation
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)of Trump voters getting caught and using the excuse of "testing the system"
Lonesome Beet
(43 posts)doesn't count as "evidence"?! What's this world coming to?
Mariana
(14,860 posts)I can't tell you how many times I've read some variation of: "I moved to [blue state], but I still vote in [swing state] where it can make a difference." Including Trump himself, who recently posted publicly that he lives in New York, even though he has requested absentee ballots from Florida.
louis-t
(23,296 posts)There was a now deceased right wing asshole on radio here 25 years ago. A caller to his show said "I heard" then went on to describe how there was only one survivor of the plane crash that killed Ron Brown. It was a "stewardess" and a black helicopter landed at the crash site and picked her up but when the black helicopter landed, she was dead. The radio host ended the segment saying "There's your evidence, folks." There's your evidence.
"PEOPLE SAY" is Trump's favorite source of evidence!
Wounded Bear
(58,682 posts)you know that "some people" is a lot stronger argument than just "people" say.
Cha
(297,465 posts)Gothmog
(145,475 posts)Cha
(297,465 posts)Marcuse
(7,500 posts)Gothmog
(145,475 posts)It is amusing to see these idiots try this crap and fail
Mr. Ected
(9,670 posts)"It has to be real, sounds just like those libtards"
You'd think FOR ONCE there'd be a few MAGATs that noticed that every accusation they've made has been proven to be a lie, while a whole litany of their own crowd is being arrested and indicted and incarcerated for the crimes WE have accused them of.
Hmmm. There seems to be a pattern here.
scarytomcat
(1,706 posts)they just need a talking point to hold fast to
progressoid
(49,992 posts)Isn't that some sort of super lefty liberal progressive outlet founded by that Greenwald feller?
Gothmog
(145,475 posts)Other papers are picking up this story https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/21/trump-campaign-voter-fraud-pennsylvania
The order came from US district judge Nicholas Ranjan, a Trump appointee, earlier this month amid a lawsuit in Pennsylvania over several voting policies. The Trump campaign is suing to block the widespread use of official ballot dropboxes in the state in locations other than an election office, and to allow poll watchers to work in counties other than the ones they live in.
The campaign also wants to block election officials from counting mail-in ballots if a voter forgets to put their mail-in ballot in a secrecy sleeve within the ballot return-envelope. The campaign argued in court that the current practices will lead to voter fraud without these changes.
Ranjan last week ordered the campaign to turn over its evidence of the prevalence of fraud in Pennsylvania, including fraud related to dropboxes and vote by mail. While the Trump campaign cited a handful of mail-in ballot fraud cases in its original complaint, the campaign turned over little evidence of pervasive fraud in its partially redacted response. Certain documents in the filing were designated confidential and withheld from the Guardian.
The campaign also offered no evidence of fraud specifically linked to dropboxes or mail-in ballots. The filing was first reported by Type Investigations. Several studies and investigations have shown that voter fraud is extremely rare.
George II
(67,782 posts)maxsolomon
(33,358 posts)The same as all of his Court machinations - tie it up, appeal as far as they can and back. Use the deliberate pace of the legal system to run out the clock.
iluvtennis
(19,868 posts)SergeStorms
(19,204 posts)They knew going in they didn't have any evidence, but they went ahead with this frivolous lawsuit anyway. That's been Trump's modus operandi his entire life, tying things up in court for years until the plaintiff just gives up. Fucking conman.
iluvtennis
(19,868 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,682 posts)Apparently the judge reads with electric lighting.
SWBTATTReg
(22,156 posts)and the state's court systems in total, as well as pay punitive fees, being that they are quick to blame or accuse of illegal deeds or misadventures, falsely.
StClone
(11,686 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,249 posts)He might lose. That's what he perceives as a "grave threat".
malaise
(269,123 posts)SergeStorms
(19,204 posts)has come from Trump and DeJoy in dismantling the U.S. Post Office. This should go to the Supreme Court ASAP. Votes should be counted up to two weeks after the election as long as they're postmarked before November 3. They broke it, so there has to be a fix. Allowing 14 days buffer time would be a suitable fix for something Trump and DeJoy did purposely to alter the results of the election. Since it's already been demonstrated that there is no mail-in voter fraud TrumpCo. and the RNC should be made to accept that decision, or whatever decision the SC came up with. These rotten bastards cannot get away with their voter interference, AGAIN!
BumRushDaShow
(129,297 posts)I was honestly shocked last year when I found out the GOP-controlled state legislature actually passed a law authorizing it and setting it up.
I had participated in multiple "virtual" town halls with my own Dem State Senator for several years before that happened and would always ask him about whether there were ever any election reforms like "early voting" even being considered. I didn't even broach something like vote by mail, since although we did have mail-in absentee ballots, something like that always required a specific set of reasons to qualify (I used to absentee vote when I was in college for example).
But we know their go-to tried and true tactic is always to stall and delay by tying stuff up in court.
panader0
(25,816 posts)A question--How can trump sue states like Nevada for offering vote by mail?
What legal basis does he have to mess with state laws?
Gothmog
(145,475 posts)Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,127 posts)Grokenstein
(5,727 posts)tells you to Google the evidence. Except it's the highest office in the nation covering for its treason.
elias7
(4,024 posts)Gothmog
(145,475 posts)Gothmog
(145,475 posts)trump failed to provide evidence of voter fraud https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/trump-campaign-lawsuit-pennsylvania-voting
Neither the original Complaint nor the Amended Complaint contains an allegation that ballot harvesting, manipulating and destroying ballots, double voting, and/or voter fraud from mail-in and absentee ballots actually occurred during the Primary Election, the lawyers wrote.
The claims asserted by the plaintiffs do not hinge on evidence of voter fraud actually occurring, they added. The campaign argued that though it has no proof that fraud of this type has happened, it could and thats grounds enough for barring the boxes.
The campaign then loaded the 524-page document with articles about a handful of cases of voter fraud unrelated to mail-in voting or drop boxes.
U.S. District Judge J. Nicholas Ranjan asked the Trump campaign to respond last week after the Sierra Club and Citizens for Pennsylvanias Future, two intervenor-defendants in the case, argued that the campaign should not be permitted to raise such spectacular fraud-related claims, particularly in this national climate, and refuse to provide discoverable information to substantiate those claims.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)Unlike the media, the courts do not accept something as evidence by its being verbally repeated a zillion times.