***DNC Convention - night 4 thread ***

[underpants]

Go forth!

[msongs]

1. turned off the sound for the jesus god jesus god jesus pitch nt

[marlakay]

3. I thought I was only one

Is there no host tonight?

[lapucelle]

27. That was Sister Simone Campbell of Nuns on the Bus.

She has been fighting for social justice for decades with the Catholic Social Justice lobby, Network.

She's a good woman and worth listening to. I've worked with this group of nuns for years.

Catholic Lobby: Catholics Cannot Vote for Donald Trump

Sister Simone Campbell, SSS, Executive Director of NETWORK Lobby for Catholic Social Justice said:

“Catholics cannot be true to their faith and vote for Donald Trump in November. Every day, I see the cracks in our nation’s foundational values growing wider. President Trump is doing everything in his power to divide us, while our economy and health care systems collapse under the weight of the COVID-19 pandemic. This is a spiritual crisis, and our faith and patriotism compel us to speak and to act.

“Pope Francis has been clear about the sacred issues that Catholics and all people of good will are called to prioritize. These include protecting people in poverty, the elderly, and migrants and rejecting racism. Donald Trump does not share these values or act on these principles.

In a word, President Trump promotes racism. This evil cannot be ignored. Once again I hear Pope Francis’s words: “We cannot tolerate or turn a blind eye to racism and exclusion in any form and yet claim to defend the sacredness of every human life.” Dismantling racism in our country must be a foundational part of any pro-life agenda. President Trump’s attitudes and policies are contradictory to this holy effort.

“In this time of crisis we are called to speak clearly: Catholics cannot support another presidential term for Donald Trump and be true to their faith.”

Just to be clear, Network/Nuns On The Bus regard Roe v Wade as settled law, do not seek its overturn, and lobbied strongly against the Kavanaugh confirmation.

Sister Simone did not mention God or Jesus even once in her invocation, but she did mention the Spirit, whatever that spirit might be.

I do admit that it hurts to see her so casually dismissed. Jon Meacham is, as I write, invoking the words of the Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King. I hope no one is turning the sound down.

[Lucinda]

74. ty!

❤️ ✿❧🌿❧✿ ❤️

[Kali]

114. there was way more than just her

and she was fine, (very inclusive for religion), but there was an awful lot of xtianity splattered at the beginning of the night.

[lapucelle]

124. Were we watching the same convention?

I didn't see a an awful lot of Christianity splattered at the beginning. What part was that?

None of the video clips that opened the program were about religion. They were about Joe Biden, why we need to elect him, and where various people hope we'll be a year from now.

Then I saw Julia Louis-Dreyfus introduce the evening, a little boy say the Pledge of Allegiance, The Chicks sing the Star Spangled Banner, and Sister Simone do the invocation.

[Kali]

142. we may have been watching two different programs

I didn't see the moonshot segment at all! I was watching on YouTube from EarlG's link. I need to go find that again and check the beginning. how did I miss that? thanks for replying so that I got to see something I missed!

[Gothmog]

148. Appealing to people of faith is not a bad thing

We are running against trump and we should appeal to people of faith in one can do so in the right way. I love this line

Link to tweet

[Kali]

150. you may be under the impression I somehow dissagree with that

that is incorrect, I had a minor - MINOR! irritation with the amount of god stuff at the beginning of the evening.

[George II]

131. What's wrong with "xtianity" (Christianity)? That spelling is disrespectful.

[NurseJackie]

134. I'm still trying to wrap my head around "splattered".

As you're well aware, George II, Christianity is certainly not my cup-o-tea…but I think the use of the word "splattered" is a bit harsh. It suggests something that's messy, or haphazard, or directionless, or poorly planned and clumsily executed. That's not how it was at all.

[George II]

139. Makes you just..............

[Kali]

140. I've won that argument before but

probably should have capitalized.

you want to know about disrespectful? try being a nonbeliever in this country.

[George II]

141. It's Christianity. You don't have to be one or agree with them, but at least....

....don't be disrespectful by intentionally butchering their name.

By the way, our Presidential nominee is a devout Roman Catholic, a CHRISTIAN! Disrespecting Christians is disrespecting our nominee and probably our next President.

[NurseJackie]

145. I'm also a non-believer, but I'm not militant about it. For me it's more of a...

I'm also a non-believer, but I've never been militant about it... nor do I feel put-upon by those who are believers. For me it's more of a "you do your thing & I'll do mine" kind of philosophy. Some call it "live and let live". I don't care if someone gives an invocation at a public meeting, or a blessing at a Thanksgiving meal. I'll just listen politely and quietly (but I won't pretend-bow-my-head).

If someone tells me to have a "blessed-day," I understand that the person is wishing me well, and I simply thank them. I've seen on the Internet how some think "have a blessed day" is some sort of insult akin to "I'm better than you" or "you need to find Jesus now" or "are you Saved, like me?"

If someone wishes me Merry Christmas, I don't get upset that they've dared to PRESUME that I even bother to celebrate Christmas (we do, but only for the traditional trappings, not for any religious reasons). I don't even get upset when Mormons or JW's knock on my door --- I'll just ignore it if I'm busy, or say "not interested" if I feeling like addressing them. I don't tell them they're foolish for their religious beliefs and I don't try to convince them to become atheists or agnostics. (I've actually met one or two "proselytizing atheists" who had all the fervor of evangelicals. It was very off-putting. Ugh.)

While there surely exist many hypocritical Christians who use their religion and who cherry-pick bible verses in order to justify their hatred, or misogyny, or homophobia, or anti-abortion stance... I believe that most are good people. It's very easy for me to judge people by their actions and their words, rather than taking an ignorant shortcut of judging people by their faith.

People have different opinions and experiences, of course... this is my experience and the way I look at things. It's served me well for many years (especially since I'm not continually having to be angry and offended about ordinary harmless things.) Most of my friends are Christians (or believers) and nearly all are aware that I'm not a believer, that I don't go to church (except for weddings and funerals), and that I don't pray. If they mind, or care, they never made it obvious to me. Although I wouldn't be surprised if a couple of them "pray for my soul" anyway.

[Gothmog]

143. Why the hostility to people of faith?

There is nothing wrong with the Democratic Party being a part of faith or a party where people of faith are welcomed. trump is not a person of faith and so it is important to draw a contrast between Joe and trump. I admit that I found a faith that suited me later in life but I am a person of faith and my faith is important to me.

Link to tweet

The Democratic Party has come a long way. The final night of the party’s 2020 convention included a clip of presidential nominee Joe Biden speaking about faith and the death of his son Beau with Rev. Anthony Thompson, the pastor of the Charleston church where nine people (including Thompson’s wife) were killed by a White nationalist. On either side of that clip were two tributes, one to Biden’s faith from his friend Sen. Christopher A. Coons (D-Del.) and the other to the late John Lewis, with a heartfelt introduction from Atlanta Mayor Keisha Lance-Bottoms and music from Common and John Legend. The nation’s best eulogist, Jon Meacham, tied it together in a plea to save America’s soul, to choose our better selves. It was a sort of civic sermon for Americans exhausted by President Trump and the energy it takes to be appropriately enraged by him. This is a now party that embraces faith and people of faith, a far cry from previous years in which Democrats too often avoided anything that smacked of religion.

Faith-based appeals — invoked by presidents of both parties in moments of crisis and loss — that speak to fairness, kindness, empathy and generosity can inspire and comfort. It is a language utterly foreign to Trump and the scam artists, kooks and bigots who dominate today’s GOP. This set the tone for the evening, despite one-liners from Julia Louis-Dreyfus that were hit and miss. (Trump lip-syncer Sarah Cooper, however, hit a home run. She began with a bit mouthing his crazy-talk on absentee voting but then in her own voice moved into an important message on voting and the security of voting from home.)

[Kali]

144. I mentioned the contrast.

that was the good point about it. but like the comment that I responded to originally, there was a segment that came off a little heavy handed - especially for nonbelievers. I probably wouldn't have even mentioned my discomfort if I hadn't seen a fellow traveler that felt the same. we are rare out in the world. it can be a small thrill running across someone like you - even here on DU.

I rarely disrespect believers personally but yes I do have problems with religion and the religious in general. majority privilege and all that.

it would be nice to see the great inclusiveness of our Party be a little more visible on nonbelief too. I'm not demanding huge increases or making it any kind of major priority, just a little smidge more acknowledgement of our existence would be great!

[Gothmog]

147. That prayer was very non-denominational and could have been given at my Temple

I strongly believe that the Democratic Party can and should include people of faith.

[Kali]

149. me too

and people who aren't religious as well.

[Gothmog]

128. That was an amazing prayer

It felt almost like a prayer that we would say at Temple (I am Jewish). I was very pleased this with prayer

[NurseJackie]

146. It was lovely.

[Cha]

130. Mahalo for that bit of history on Nuns On The Bus,

lapucelle.❤️❤️❤️ I remember Sister Simone Campbell from Hillary's campaign.

They are there for us.

[George II]

133. Sometimes it's best for some to just keep their disrespectful comments to themselves.

[DesertRat]

151. I admire Sister Simone Campbell

and the advocacy for social justice by her and her fellow Nuns on the Bus.

[lapucelle]

152. They did a tour where the last stop was Mar-A-Lago...

... they troll Trump with that bus.

[DesertRat]

153. Awesome

[Kali]

11. ...

it makes a good contrast to the current asshole, but yeah makes me squeamish

[George II]

132. It wasn't a "pitch". It was a prayer by someone who has done a lot more for people than many of us..

She wasn't selling anything or trying to convert anyone.

[gristy]

2. Julia is wonderful!

The Chicks singing the National Anthem are wonderful too!

[Squinch]

5. Yes! The Chicks did a beautiful National Anthem. Never heard anything like it before.

[underpants]

6. Yang "Between us we share 11 Emmy's"

Very funny

[still_one]

10. Very gracious of him to share his Emmys with her

[nolabear]

4. I deleted my thread but here's what I said in the OP 😄

Opener w/ Yang and Julia Louis-Dreyfus trying time pronounce Pence’s Name, that beautiful baby saying the pledge (righties swore the DNC leaves out Under God—they rubbed it in by repeating it in the opening segment) and a GORGEOUS Star Spangled Banner by The Chicks. And now a prayer (you know, God, called Spirit—that’ll get them going) by Sister Simone Campbell.

Let the evening begin!

[SheltieLover]

9. Ty, Nola!

[consider_this]

7. oooh, sting by Julia

re the tear gas trick to get to church! yay!

[nolabear]

8. OMG J L-D is the hit man tonight!

Okay hit woman. DAYUM! Joe Biden goes to church without tear gas...

[Kali]

12. loving her!

I got excited and posted in EarlG's pinned schedule post.

[nolabear]

13. Hah! I'm excited too!

[herding cats]

14. And I'm crying at the John Lewis segment. 😭

Bless his kind, beautiful, fierce heart.

[Arkansas Granny]

15. What a beautiful tribute to John Lewis.

[crickets]

64. It was so well done. I had tears in my eyes through most of it.

How lovely they included remarks from Elijah Cummings as well. Wonderful.

[Arkansas Granny]

69. Yeah, I was not expecting that. We've lost a lot this year.

[scarletlib]

16. Singing Glory

John Legrnd and Common. Beautiful.

[nolabear]

17. Glory! Tonight is going to be one massive celebration.

I DARE the GOP to match this beauty.

[ornotna]

20. not so fast now

They got 'Bawitdaba'

[ancianita]

18. I've been in tears since this began.

I'm so hopeful, so afraid for the end of good government, so happy to see so many good, good, hopeful people who want just to live in equality and peace.

I'm just ...

One day when the war is won... glory, glory, glory, glory ...

tied in a single garment of history.

[consider_this]

19. shoot me, but...

I'm not digging the comedy stuff. seems out of place.

[luvs2sing]

23. I'm not digging it either.

But everything else is absolutely perfect.

[consider_this]

25. it was jarringly out of place when following Glory.

too strong of a contrast of mood.

[Orangepeel]

33. but that is what is going to replayed tomorrow

[woodsprite]

24. Yeah, It's not a freaking stand-up routine. I'm not appreciating it either. nt

[Kali]

28. oops

we are in contrast right above and below. big tent, room for many opinions.

[consider_this]

30. of course!

[LeftInTX]

49. I like it

We want viewers to feel energized and optimistic
Laughing releases endorphins

We want viewers to feel good

[crickets]

60. I like Julia, and I'm enjoying it too.

She brings it down and gets serious when the tone changes, but otherwise I think it's why she's there. We need a little light relief in between, and she's good at it.

[Kali]

21. GAWD DAMMNNN

I do love our comedians...she is stomping on the orange anus!!!

[Mersky]

34. LOL - well put

Roast his butt - is what I thought

[Kali]

119. snapped him right in the

Tezticoatls

[Mersky]

120. Bwah!!!!

I’ve heard that hurts, historically speaking.

[Kali]

121. precolumbian, man

[Mersky]

122. And, yet, so modern

[blogslut]

22. This is all amazing!

[aleesiazane]

137. Exciting

Ya well this is actually

[nolabear]

26. John Meacham is brilliant at being an ally. Dignity, humility, grace.

I’ve liked him more every time I see him.

[ecstatic]

29. Julia is funny. Every night should have had a comedian host

in my humble opinion.

[Wednesdays]

43. Stephen Colbert would skewer them

six ways from Sunday!

[GoCubsGo]

31. Jon Meacham's speech was excellent!

It should be required listening.

[3catwoman3]

44. I could listen to John Meacham all day.

Michael Beschloss, too.

[consider_this]

32. yeah, sarah cooper!!!

[Karma13612]

36. She is funny!!!!!!!! 🤣🤣🤣💙💙 nt

[Tess49]

35. Sarah Cooper! HaHa!

[DeminPennswoods]

136. When you don't see Trump speaking them, the words he says

sounds even crazier.

[demmiblue]

37. He he!

[Mersky]

38. Awesome - how to mail!

❤️ Sarah Cooper.

[Gothmog]

39. Tonight is great

[oswaldactedalone]

40. So Sarah Cooper doesn't talk like

Trump? j/k - She is so good at mocking the orange anus.

[H2O Man]

41. Recommended.

This may be the most impressive night thus far! Which is really saying something ....

[nolabear]

42. It's wonderful. A perfect combo of fun, heart and facts.

This should be America.

[Karma13612]

46. Yes, we should be happy

And hard working and healthy.

Instead we are shell shocked, paranoid, sad, sick and showing signs of PTSD

Vote Biden/Harris!

[Mersky]

45. I like seeing everyday folks talking

We’re all facing down 2020 - lots of voices that need to be heard by their government.

[Mersky]

47. Tammy Duckworth!

Was just chatting with my housemate today about the braces she wore as a child. The image of the Senator’s prosthetics to her words now, kinda gets to me.

[Mersky]

48. Pete Buttiegieg - is good to see him!

We had an impressive field this year.

[FreeState]

50. He's awesome

Go Pete go!

[Mersky]

51. He's great

Truly great and he gave me fits, because he’s so excellent. Ahahaaah...Booker! I love these folks. Klobuchar. I could watch these guys chat for hours.

[consider_this]

52. excellent segment!

great folks! a great party.

[Mersky]

55. And Warren, tooo

Loved it. I will watch that again.

[crickets]

56. They're so fun! This was a great idea.

I enjoyed their back-and-forth and the way they all obviously respect one another, and Joe.

[Mersky]

53. Beto!!!!

The man who woke up Texas and showed that our votes matter!

[vercetti2021]

57. The man who flipped Texas

He'll be known for it. The man who flipped Texas democratic

[Mersky]

63. A phenomenon

I saw it, spoke it, and felt it - red or blue area it didn’t matter. Beto knows Texas - that it isn’t reflected by the state or federal republicans elected to office. I know, because I live that nuance all the time.

[vercetti2021]

66. He can be governor

I believe he will be

[Mersky]

71. I do, too

When he runs for office again, I’ll be there.

[vercetti2021]

72. Me too

Or Senator if he decides to run against Cruz again

[Mersky]

81. I look forward to any of it

[consider_this]

54. yeah Bloomberg.

Excellent point - why would you want to keep a person that does not do their job.

[ecstatic]

58. Why the*HELL* would you? I bet trump's shitting his depends

right now.

[DeminPennswoods]

135. The cussing really gave his speech that down-to-earth,

I'm really mad about this quality. I truly enjoyed it.

[SharonClark]

59. Bloomberg is doing great.

Sticking it to trump from a business point of view.

[GoCubsGo]

61. I can't wait for the Twitter Toddler's tweet-storm after Bloomberg's speech.

LOL!!!!

[cannabis_flower]

75. Your wish is granted

[Wednesdays]

86. He said earlier he wasn't watching!

[GoCubsGo]

87. Well, that didn't take long!

I see he figured out how to turn off the caps lock after that rage-tweet bonanza after Obama's speech.

[consider_this]

62. OK Julia - great joke!

the person woman thing. yep!!

[jls4561]

65. Okay, raise your hand if your heart just broke.

[Mersky]

67. Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV. Text.

30330.

Got it.

[tblue37]

68. OK. That little boy with the stutter did get me all choked up. I don't usually get teary about

conventions, but he got to me.

[Yavin4]

70. When is Biden giving his speech? It's getting late on the east coast. n/t

[SharonClark]

73. The Curry Family are adorable.

[ecstatic]

77. So cute! nt

[tblue37]

85. They sure are. nt

[ecstatic]

76. Glad To see Hunter

Wow, he looks just like his dad!

[ancianita]

78. This Intro to Joe's life is touching, moving, powerful, riveting.

[Mersky]

79. If you give him your cellphone number

He’s going to call it. - Ashley Biden


___
I loved that bit!

[OrlandoDem2]

80. How do I give Joe my cell phone number?

They keep saying he’ll call if you give him your number.

[Mersky]

82. As soon as I find out, I'll let you know

[ecstatic]

83. This is a beautiful portrayal of Biden's life story. nt

[consider_this]

84. YES! Cannot imagine...

what corollary type thing is possible to produce for the opponent. You're Fired?

[nolabear]

88. Welp, two minutes into Joe's speech and I'm cheering and sobbing.

He’s absolutely killing it.

[llmart]

89. Me too.

What a good, decent man he is. I will be proud to cast my vote for him.

[crickets]

98. I'm trying not to clap too hard so I don't wake the neighbors! nt

[Mersky]

90. We're ready

[nolabear]

91. We are SO ready.

[Mersky]

92. Aren't we?

If tRump would just get out of the way or moved out of the way! Gah.

Seriously.

[crickets]

93. Joe has a plan!

He has a plan and it makes sense, and it's going to help everybody.

Honest unvarnished truth - we can handle it! Masks are out patriotic duty!

Oh, finally! This is what we've need to hear.

[Mersky]

94. He does know what it's like.

[crickets]

95. "I don't expect the government to solve all my problems,

but I do expect it to understand them." Joe's dad was a wise man.

[consider_this]

96. He's getting fired up now!

Go Joe! We need you.

[ecstatic]

97. I admit, I was nervous... but Joe is killing it!

Knocking it out the park! A HOME RUN!

[nolabear]

99. My GOD this is what I've wanted to hear for 3 3/4 years.

I’m so proud.

[ancianita]

100. "You have my word. And I won't have to do it alone. I'll have a powerful vice president at my side."

SO proud to hear his pride in us!

[Mersky]

101. Yessss!!! Value people's time and work!!!

He gets that and it gets to me.

[ecstatic]

102. Absolutely perfect, Joe. Now bring it home

My attention span is running out!

[Mersky]

103. It is an existential threat.

Reality. There it is.

[Mersky]

104. Tissues are out for the third time this convention.

It’s good - it is good.

[consider_this]

105. "find the light once more"

from Joe's speech, would be a great slogan.

[Mersky]

109. +1

[ancianita]

106. "This is our moment to make hope and history rhyme"

[Mersky]

110. Will be my waking thoughts tomorrow

I just know it.

[consider_this]

107. PREACH, Joe! PREACH!

[Happy Hoosier]

108. Goddamn!

Best speech of Joe Biden’s life!!! i actually got chills!

[Mersky]

111. Yay!!!! YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

That was good.

[nolabear]

112. WOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

That was phenomenal! Joe was fucking fantastic! I’m so happy! I can breathe again!

Let us go forth and do everything to save this country!

[IcyPeas]

113. Now fireworks and all the people outside.

[DeminPennswoods]

138. That was pretty cool, like a party at the drive-in

[ancianita]

115. Awesome fireworks!! And the Democratic Team with hands clasped!!

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

116. Joe knocked it out of the park

He kept talking about how WE are affected. This is OUR country. WE have all experienced and losses but WE are better when WE work together.

Contrast that with Donny boy's I am the only one who can fix it. I know the best people.

[Mersky]

117. I've enjoyed every night of the convention this week

And I was wondering how they could top it every subsequent day. Is hard to compare from one to the next, but Dems kept the momentum. That is inspiration given to work and I know there’s good reason.

Biden/Harris 2020!!!!!!

We’re ready. Let’s do this, y’all!!!!

GOTV. Ask ten people if they’re registered to vote, check your registration status, and put together your voting plan.

[consider_this]

118. as someone pointed out in another thread...

he never mentioned it's name! PURE!

[Vivienne235729]

123. I need more TeleJoevela. Lol That was funny!!

[DeminPennswoods]

125. Loved John Meachum's segment

It was a great perspective.

[Mersky]

126. I thought the same

Will rewatch the whole evening. Respect his voice, and I found his time during the convention to be important for perspective on the time we’re in.

[bluemoose98]

127. An unconventional but incredible four nights!

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The new format rocks and they should keep it (or at least elements of it) next time around.

[Mersky]

129. I thought they made the most of it, too.

And welcome to DU! Is a big night around here.