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MissMillie

(39,652 posts)
Sat Aug 22, 2020, 02:07 PM Aug 2020

THIS has to be front and center

https://www.epi.org/productivity-pay-gap/

"From 1979 to 2018, net productivity rose 108.1 percent, while the hourly pay of typical workers essentially stagnated—increasing only 11.6 percent over 39 years (after adjusting for inflation). This means that although Americans are working more productively than ever, the fruits of their labors have primarily accrued to those at the top and to corporate profits, especially in recent years."
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THIS has to be front and center (Original Post) MissMillie Aug 2020 OP
K & R & Bookmarked! SunSeeker Aug 2020 #1
Good data! calimary Aug 2020 #2
Seems we have a huge distribution problem that needs fixing... Illumination Aug 2020 #3
Thomas Piketty, the French economist, has two books that clearly identify the problem. Lonestarblue Aug 2020 #4
millions of jobs aren't worth anything MissMillie Aug 2020 #13
+1000 smirkymonkey Aug 2020 #15
The "rising tide" has lifted all the yachts.... lastlib Aug 2020 #21
Wasn't Freidman's work the one that was found to be flawed because of a calculation error rwsanders Aug 2020 #26
Nah... OldBaldy1701E Aug 2020 #28
This is wealth & income inequality writ large. Unsustainable. Revolutions have started for less. nt Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2020 #5
Yup, we're getting screwed. Joinfortmill Aug 2020 #6
It's uphill from here, all the damn way because.... jaxexpat Aug 2020 #7
AGREED. Dovetails nicely with another article from the same site, posted earlier today: crickets Aug 2020 #8
We don't need billionaires but they need us. OMGWTF Aug 2020 #9
Truth!👆 I_UndergroundPanther Aug 2020 #20
raising minimum wage would help. pansypoo53219 Aug 2020 #10
Ummm.. This has been "front and center" for years? MuchBetterThanThis Aug 2020 #11
I know I've heard a lot about inequality MissMillie Aug 2020 #14
Now that they've got about all the productivity they can squeeze out of us.... KY_EnviroGuy Aug 2020 #12
OLD NEWS! mrsadm Aug 2020 #16
Automation and computers are killing jobs IronLionZion Aug 2020 #17
Workers could have bought those instead, if they hadn't been starved and underpaid lostnfound Aug 2020 #19
K/R BadgerMom Aug 2020 #18
Ayn Rand Paul believes that's how it's supposed to work. nt oasis Aug 2020 #22
its very well known by any democrat who pays attention. drray23 Aug 2020 #23
No argument there bhikkhu Aug 2020 #24
Yes. This. The 1% be damned! Nitram Aug 2020 #25
K&R Sherman A1 Aug 2020 #27
The pandemic will finally bury this neo-liberal bullshit malaise Aug 2020 #29
Here's the stat that needs to be said over and over again... MissMillie Aug 2020 #30
Kick dalton99a Aug 2020 #31

Lonestarblue

(13,479 posts)
4. Thomas Piketty, the French economist, has two books that clearly identify the problem.
Sat Aug 22, 2020, 03:34 PM
Aug 2020

Other economists have written about income inequality and the transfer of wealth to the top 10% in the country, with much of that going to the 1%, that has been going on for decades. Piketty’s books have been international bestsellers.

Joseph Stieglitz is another economist worth reading. Many people in this country are economically illiterate, especially Republicans. Republican leaders latched onto Milton Friedman’s ideas of free market capitalism that have proved to be disastrous for the working class in the US. With Reagan’s “rising tide” slogan and the Republican promises that tax cuts for the wealthy create millions of new jobs, Republicans have sold their charlatan economics for decades. Now that the 1% has the bulk of the nation’s wealth, it will take an enormous effort to wrest even a bit of it away from them.

lastlib

(28,261 posts)
21. The "rising tide" has lifted all the yachts....
Sat Aug 22, 2020, 09:16 PM
Aug 2020

Those of us with just hollow logs get washed out to sea.

rwsanders

(3,180 posts)
26. Wasn't Freidman's work the one that was found to be flawed because of a calculation error
Sun Aug 23, 2020, 02:16 AM
Aug 2020

in one of his spreadsheets?

OldBaldy1701E

(11,142 posts)
28. Nah...
Sun Aug 23, 2020, 07:08 AM
Aug 2020

All we have to do is stop placing massive value on a little green piece of paper, and start placing value on humans. Oh wait... silly me... that ain't ever gonna happen around here. The American population has been programmed too well for that.

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
5. This is wealth & income inequality writ large. Unsustainable. Revolutions have started for less. nt
Sat Aug 22, 2020, 03:41 PM
Aug 2020
 

jaxexpat

(7,794 posts)
7. It's uphill from here, all the damn way because....
Sat Aug 22, 2020, 03:43 PM
Aug 2020

you gotta make this known to people that willingly follow a monster who doesn't *understand what "per capita" means. (*He doesn't care either)

Yewer jist trinda steal ma guns with all them werds, commienist.



(*He doesn't care either)

crickets

(26,168 posts)
8. AGREED. Dovetails nicely with another article from the same site, posted earlier today:
Sat Aug 22, 2020, 03:45 PM
Aug 2020

CEO compensation surged 14% in 2019 to $21.3 million
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213951907

Chief executive officers (CEOs) of the largest firms in the U.S. earn far more today than they did in the mid-1990s and many times what they earned in the 1960s or late 1970s. They also earn far more than the typical worker, and their pay—which relies heavily on stock-related compensation— has grown much more rapidly than typical worker pay. Importantly, rising CEO pay does not reflect rising value of skills, but rather CEOs’ use of their power to set their own pay. And this growing earning power at the top has been driving the growth of inequality in our country.

Why it matters: Exorbitant CEO pay is a major contributor to rising inequality that we could safely do away with. CEOs are getting more because of their power to set pay—and because so much of their pay (about three-fourths) is stock-related, not because they are increasing productivity or possess specific, high-demand skills. This escalation of CEO compensation, and of executive compensation more generally, has fueled the growth of top 1.0% and top 0.1% incomes, leaving less of the fruits of economic growth for ordinary workers and widening the gap between very high earners and the bottom 90%. The economy would suffer no harm if CEOs were paid less (or were taxed more).

11. Ummm.. This has been "front and center" for years?
Sat Aug 22, 2020, 04:27 PM
Aug 2020

You can only scream but soo much about this or just understand that shit isn't gonna change overnight.
We, the people are making steps towards rectifying this. But, it's a "baby steps" proposition. And, we're getting closer to it being an actual issue even with the rich and powerful calling the shots.

The people are woke now. More tha ever..

MissMillie

(39,652 posts)
14. I know I've heard a lot about inequality
Sat Aug 22, 2020, 04:33 PM
Aug 2020

I don't know that I ever hear anyone talk about how the productivity/wage relationship has gone to pot.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,782 posts)
12. Now that they've got about all the productivity they can squeeze out of us....
Sat Aug 22, 2020, 04:31 PM
Aug 2020

next they will want more years of work before retirement, to the point that retirement will become meaningless.

They're also doing everything possible to insure they own all our assets by the time we die and all our heirs will get is our ashes (for a nominal fee).


KY.........

mrsadm

(1,198 posts)
16. OLD NEWS!
Sat Aug 22, 2020, 04:36 PM
Aug 2020

This has been known for at least 15 years- I lost count.

Read “The Economist”. Their web site is cheaper to read than the magazine.

IronLionZion

(51,267 posts)
17. Automation and computers are killing jobs
Sat Aug 22, 2020, 04:58 PM
Aug 2020

Machines are big reason for the increased productivity with fewer people

lostnfound

(17,520 posts)
19. Workers could have bought those instead, if they hadn't been starved and underpaid
Sat Aug 22, 2020, 07:33 PM
Aug 2020

I’ve often daydreamed, what if the cashiers had had a pile of cash around to pay for machines that replace their labor?

If automation was purchased by the workers (in a fantasy world), they could have cut back to ten hour weeks and gotten paid for forty.

If I could pay for a robot to do my job, or ten of us can, can I still collect my paycheck? “Entrepreneurs” can, but not workers.

When we watched the Jetsons, those laborsaving machines were presented as being able to give us ALL more free time and better lives.

drray23

(8,756 posts)
23. its very well known by any democrat who pays attention.
Sat Aug 22, 2020, 09:45 PM
Aug 2020

this has been pointed out countless times by many democrats and of course recently on the campaign trail. Bernie for example, was hammering it.

bhikkhu

(10,789 posts)
24. No argument there
Sat Aug 22, 2020, 10:50 PM
Aug 2020

I started working as a mechanic in 1987, at $14.50 an hour. I was 25 years on the job (same work, various employers) before that bumped up to $15, and currently $18.50. Meanwhile the labor rates that people pay for the work I do have tripled, from $45 an hour to $150 an hour.

I was told at one time that most of the problem was health care expenses, which were pretty low when I started but gradually ate more and more of the budget for payroll. I'm not sure that accounts for all of it.

malaise

(296,098 posts)
29. The pandemic will finally bury this neo-liberal bullshit
Sun Aug 23, 2020, 07:14 AM
Aug 2020

Great post - there is no market without society. There is no society without the social good.

MissMillie

(39,652 posts)
30. Here's the stat that needs to be said over and over again...
Sun Aug 23, 2020, 10:28 AM
Aug 2020

If wages had kept up w/ productivity, the minimum wage would be higher than $21/hour.

I don't know that this is being said enough.

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